Episode 9 - Fungi as a Sleep Agent, Meet the Hen of the Woods
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Hi, I'm David Ben and this is the MUstaSH ROOM. Welcome back. Wanna remind you guys. Our website is up at mustashroom.com that's MUSTSH and on social media at MUstaSH ROOM.
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MUstaSH brands.
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Yes, there is some linkage there.
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There are good people on this episode.
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We have a good friend of mine longstanding friend law.
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He's a stand up comedian, business consultant and one of the relojes of podcasting.
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Kind of taught me the ropes when I first started.
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He talks about how he uses mushrooms to kind of reset his sleep.
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And improve the quality of his overall slate.
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Pretty interesting.
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He's a really, really fun guy.
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We also hear back from Chris.
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He talks about his heroic dose.
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And how he prepared his set.
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His mindset in this setting for the experience and kind of gives us a rundown and what he, what his takeaways were.
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Wife Jill returns to talk about the mitaki mushroom and we just have some fun.
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So thank you for being here and enjoy.
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Have you ever played the dreidel game?
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Yeah yeah, long time ago.
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I mean, you spend the drill, but do you actually know like how to collect guilt? And like all the the in's and outs of the game strategically?
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Bye.
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Now that's where I become a Presbyterian again.
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I don't either man like I I bailed it.
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I have to do more than spend this thing like that.
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Plus I'm not much of a gambler and I don't like to gamble Jews, especially 'cause it gets really frugal and weird.
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I watched uncut Jims.
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I get it.
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Dude, it's good to see you man.
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It's been awhile like I've seen your face.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, good to see you.
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Where are you in?
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It's been a long time.
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Bunker.
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Yeah, I mean there I could have put the green screen up and try to follow you, but now I'm in an unfinished basement.
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This is the MUstaSH ROOM is mostly they just the corner of my unfinished basement adjacent to a bunch of mono tubs.
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OK.
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If you want to look over here, see all these mono dubs.
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Those are those are all my mushroom containers fruiting containers?
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I'm.
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For the listening audience that's familiar with cultivation, these arrive about a handful of mono tabs on Iraq.
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Fruiting mushrooms right now.
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All right, let me see if I can explain it for the listener that's lit.
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There you go.
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Say I there's there's there like that. $10 storage plastic bins you get like Walmart or Target, right?
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You know that you know.
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Home Depot is the go to yeah yeah.
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Yeah, from Depot. Whatever you kind of stack is stackable storage things. I've got a bunch of my place an there's there's like see through plastic ones that are like a 64 gallon. I believe. 80 gallon maybe.
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Unofficial sponsor yeah.
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You're off to a good start.
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Somewhere in that ballpark.
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And you can.
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Yeah, they're like 3 feet by two feet by 1 foot kind of cube storage things.
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Right?
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It looks like.
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It looks like you've made you know when like babies or in the Nick you where you have to put your hands through gloves to touch him, but don't your hands.
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All right, your hands.
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Well, it looks like there's two little hands socket area.
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Those are their air exchange holes with polyfill for the CO2.
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To escape.
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I'm just trying to.
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I'm trying to paint a picture with my words man.
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Yeah man, break it down like you know like a 5 year old.
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And then you're on a utility rack that I've made several times from Home Depot. It's Chrome. It's $40 if you're a dad, you definitely made this at some point. We've assembled it.
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Alright, so we're gonna we're gonna so that brings me to my next point.
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Notice I'm still using the same podcasting arm which was a repurposed IKEA lamp, which you be in the OG of podcasting and the one that kind of just coerced me to do this in the 1st place.
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You got the setup going for me.
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So this this hackjob this.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, I mean.
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Listening audience you can't see it, but it's a hack.
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Job and and I couldn't even get our own equipment.
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And.
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If you're watching this, I've got it in front of me.
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I'm going to make it look like I'm using it, but I couldn't do it without my producer co-host doing Erica reading are doing it for me and he walked out of the room because I had it and I was like Oh my God.
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Would that be Eric?
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Like I got this.
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Dude, I love your setup like looking for the viewing for the listening audience.
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Again, we don't have a visual version of this podcast yet, but LA.
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My buddy La who's our guest today.
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He has a very official podcast looking studio with like those foam pads in the back.
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And then there's this.
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His podcast is called Sweat Equity and there's some sort of Billboard Miami Vice Halloween Fiesta, something back there.
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I'm not sure.
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We like to call it a homoerotic 80s, novella, good style.
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But you've nailed it, my friend.
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Taking Miami Vice is super gay.
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That's kind of how our branding words.
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Magic Mike needs men Miami vice.
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That's what happens when you don't have a brand strategy meeting with with your partner beforehand and.
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We tried to take some.
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We actually tried to do the like three years ago trying to do like the level up thing of like, Alright, we're taking this a little bit more seriously.
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Let's get professional photos done.
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Headshots, tylan Eric got this is what like you.
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Time it out ahead of time.
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This is why, like you see these guys that like.
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Christian Bale yelling at people or Tom Cruise yelling at people on set like I totally get because it's the thing of like you failed a lot in this way before and you're supposed to test out stuff before you get to things.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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And so like you do might check before your band that goes on.
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Otherwise it's probably gonna suck that night, you know.
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Well, I mean the measure twice cut. Once philosophy is great, but I've talked about it on this podcast. I measure 0 times and cut 1000 in a row. So I mean, I'm with you there, like the preparatory stuff is tough, it's tough.
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And how many times do you do that before you get that instilled in you that you become that person?
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That is kind of * ****
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I would say like managers, your manager or your boss.
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It wasn't always probably * **** they.
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They've seen you **** ** so many times that they become more of a deck or or people before you in that position.
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So you you.
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Should always blame yourself if your boss is * **** is what?
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You're saying, oh, you should definitely internalize first something a lot of us don't do.
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What you tell me about your pocket?
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Tell the listening audience about your podcast.
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Sweat equity, 'cause again, you being kind of a good person that got me into this whole genre of of hobby and you've got a lot to say.
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So what is what?
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So it's the number one business comedy podcast out there because there doesn't exist one in the business slash comedy space.
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It's.
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Wow.
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It is announcement.
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Quite the accolade.
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We want one of those fake trophy awards.
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You know how they try to sell your trophies in the business World professional world?
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Your LinkedIn kind of community.
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You own a business.
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You're going to get sent a bunch of stuff like you want this best of Tampa or I find them.
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Test.
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Management consultant of Tampa. It's called the best of Tampa or I want it 2018-2019 I didn't get it 2020 it's a trophy scam. They try to get you to buy a trophy for $200.
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Holy ****
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Hey it looks ******* good on Angie's List. I'll tell you that he threw a plaque up there or some sort of blue ribbon.
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What I've I took it, I took it. I go well, I won the award. I don't need the physical award they want to sell you a physical trophy. That's the scam they made up an award to give you and make you buy a trophy that costs them $12.00 to make and ship that will sell you for 250 'cause people go. I need that.
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Or on our mantle when people walk in our office or or building.
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And you know, if I was bigger, I probably do something about it, but I probably buy it, but I just put it online as I already won this and I I get some help.
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Well, do the physical the physical trophy?
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I mean don't discount the physical trophy as somebody that never played sports as a kid.
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Never, never, really had any reason to receive a trophy.
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A participation trophy is fine by me, like that would be my only outfit.
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I'd wear it everywhere, so if you give me a trophy I'm taking it.
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I just I.
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I'm displaying it proudly.
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I respectfully disagree with everybody wins, everybody loses, so our podcast is I was tired of all these business podcasts I listened to that don't actually give good advice.
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In in a pragmatic way, it's a lot of motivation.
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Stuff in motivation is temporary, and so it's like, let's start one that's part like.
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Here's some stuff I've learned from other people doing what I when I started my agency I visit.
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Lessons learned from the field.
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Yeah, here's all the stuff I'll **** upon.
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Here's entrepreneurship as I'm going through it.
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And here I learn from.
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People that are smarter than I am.
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That's kind of how I've always tried to be, and then we have guests on.
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And, you know, learn through them.
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How did they messed up?
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What?
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Yeah.
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Well, we had a guy on recently that was telling us about.
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You know, everybody talks about outsourcing, but he made a company in the pandemic.
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He made a company and went to the Philippines to outsource, not for the grunt labor like we think about like I need a web developer.
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I need a development team.
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He got his, he got middle management, he got an exec team in the Philippines and built.
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Were they managing a team that was also in the Philippines offshore OK?
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Right but well at anyway.
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We talked about like oh.
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You have to unhinge that imprinted thing in your head where it's like the Philippines or India might not just be for that anymore.
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You know they've been doing that grunt work for so long.
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There's definitely gonna be executives you can hire there, you know.
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Sure, I mean there's education there.
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They have their connected to everybody the same way we are so right.
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And then he broke down.
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the Philippines is better because their English is usually a lot better than the other countries that claim to have that can speak English and and do this kind of outsource work.
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And they're hungry for whatever reason.
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That country is fast.
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This is more of an entrepreneurial thing in the digital realm, so stuff like that in this guy hit us up.
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He hit us up via a LinkedIn.
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I get 10 LinkedIn messages a day.
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They were trying to sell me something and it's one of those things where he hit me with a bot.
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One of those LinkedIn VOD sets type right and So what I do to all these people that send me a bot?
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Yeah, you could tell it was auto generated.
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I tell him to listen to sweat equity I go.
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Hey, could you do me a favor?
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I'll definitely listen to your pitch if you go subscribe rate review our podcast.
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Well, I like that.
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And then he was saying, can I come on to be a guest?
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Uh, and I said, I just asked him what episode was your favorite?
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Just to hold him accountable, make sure he was legit.
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Right just right.
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And like he may not have listened to the whole episode, he may just looked at the title, but he sent me something back about when we did about customer service and how you can really separate yourself apart and then like the guy from Zappos did, he basically took this E Commerce Company but really emphasized.
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Yeah.
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The customer service aspect and they became players where Amazon would probably take him out.
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Sweet.
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Oh, I mean there.
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I didn't know that.
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As far as shoes go, that's that.
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Is there Amazon?
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They got that market cornered.
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Yeah, why don't you buy shoes on Amazon?
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I mean that to me, that's that's that's what tells you that they crushed it there.
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So **** like that were like you have these ran.
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We try to keep it quick.
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We try to.
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Keep them 33 minute episodes.
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Good, good, good and I've been.
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Yeah.
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I've been trying to do that with this as well.
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Like the Multi Hour Joe Rogan style podcast.
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They wear thin after a while, so I'm not interesting enough to fill 3 hours.
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Basically, that's what it boils down to.
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All the third hour's when the stuff gets really good. It's when people let their guard down. A lot of the time. That's that's.
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That's true.
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It's Dave Chappelle's 8th Hour at the Comedy Store. That's when he's really getting into this good material.
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That's different.
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Yeah, I I don't know if I could sit through that.
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The the Three Hour podcast I dig a lot of the time because some of this stuff is so nuanced that he has on with scientists and what.
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But sometimes it takes a while to really communicate out.
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What they're talking about and really flush it out.
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Some other people are trying to see if their full shift or not, which I think is interesting, yeah?
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Or Rogan is the the shift detector man?
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No, no ship slides by Joe Rogan I I love his objective way of interviewing.
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It's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah it, but I think that has its own place. A podcast like hours trying to be around 33 minutes. I think that has its place too. Yeah, I mean.
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I would rather do.
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Who?
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Ideally I'd love to do like be able to interview one person five days a week or four days a week or something for ours.
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And have that be the show and record them all in one. You know 1/3 hour block at some point, but.
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Yeah.
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But it's not.
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Yeah, anyways, so this thanks for being on my podcast.
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I have.
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I can't.
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I don't think I've ever been on sweat equity I was on.
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The other part has a MI. Well, you guys have rebranded about 8:00 or 9000 times, so there was there was the toboga.
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Hello.
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Yeah.
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I think it's still.
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It's still sweat equity.
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Man, it's been selected the whole time.
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OK, alright so that's that's on me, just not paying attention so I've been on sweat equity.
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I was also on your college football triple option broadcast.
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Is that still going?
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No, alright man, I had to.
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Alrighty.
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It's kind of that thing of.
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If it was making money and it wasn't making super happy.
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Yeah, it was kind of hard to do 'cause I had two business attorneys as cohoe so you really hard for us to meet up and after a while the pandemic really.
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Coping for sure.
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Sure, I'll cut that.
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Yeah, I mean we can blame a lot on uncovered cool.
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So now you're on my ******* podcast, which have been on the he was on.
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You were on the frightened here when I did that in Tampa the my MMA comedy podcast, But this is my re branding of self in Denver so.
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Thanks for being on the MUstaSH ROOM when we did comedy together.
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I remember you always ask me whenever I did new bit you'd be like what the **** are you trying to say?
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Like what?
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What is this boil down to?
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What are you trying to say?
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So I've been trying to really like hone in on that with this podcast like not just be tangent based and with you know too much frivolous content.
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Really trying to have some sort of central focus.
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So you know we've been talking about mushrooms both in like cultivation in psychedelic consumption, the way that it's influencing society, societies hold on the industry so you know, that's kind of the space that we've been operating in.
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But, you know, I know you, as a seasoned comedian, have dabbled in the space.
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Somewhat, and I I guess I wanted to get your perspective as a friend and like as a as a comic like the mental space and like if there's any kind of overlap with psychedelics or any mushroom experiences that you've had.
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Yeah, so uhm in a lot of ways.
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I said that too fast.
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I mean, look, let's take let's take comedy and just put that under entrepreneurship because it really is a lot of similarities.
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That's why I should have really answered your question about my podcast as kind of that because.
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Being a comedian is being entrepreneurial, except your jokes are commodity, right?
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Right to market yourself and all that ****
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And so?
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Yeah, in doing your own podcast is in that realm.
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Two 'cause you're you're building a brand.
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It's not tangible, but you want to make this kind of info tainment kind of category where I hate.
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I hate mashing that word up and using it, but it's the most concise way of kind of explaining.
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Like you know, you want this to be entertaining.
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You want the information about this sector to get out.
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That was careless.
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One said edutainment.
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Edutainment.
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Hide your payment.
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I don't have the bars he's got, but but I I would say, you know, Mentale.
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No, no need to do it.
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It's all about mental game.
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It's all about like being entrepreneur, being an artist and trying to be professional or trying to have a podcast get to a level where it is not a hobby.
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Right?
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It's more of something that is.
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A revenue generating thing for you.
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Whatever it is, it's all mental discipline and it's all getting out of your for me is a lot of getting out of my own way.
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They stop overthinking a lot of stuff and I I told you a little bit.
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Sure.
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Like last week we were talking about doing this and I told you before that like I was really depressed going into becoming divorced and.
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No, dealing with that before pre separation for my extra money.
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RRIP, Mary
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By the way.
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Yeah, it's all good I and I'll give you a very shrooms way of looking at it in a second.
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But what I tried to do is.
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You know, when I had my own company once every three months or so, I would try to do shrooms.
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Night with you and some other guys.
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Yeah, you know, but I never took.
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I take like a.
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Half of what you all did.
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So like I'm awis with this stuff, but.
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Never the hero does.
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Yeah, I I don't.
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I'm not there yet and I I never wanted to go like full board into that.
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I just wanted to giggle for two hours and then I get the best sleep I'll ever have that night.
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Which is awesome.
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You can't discount that motive at all.
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Oh yeah, especially when in a time. Pride 2017 2018 I wasn't sleeping well at all 'cause I had two kids.
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Both babies and like running a business and having a marriage of failing.
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And, you know, just stressing all the time.
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And I don't.
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I sleep like Anne Frank already, so I I just assumed she didn't sleep well and and and so like we would do those like once you know, once a quarter of the year and it would be like hitting the reset button on his Nintendo.
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Yeah.
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Very much like wiping all the bad ram out of your computer or whatever metaphor you want to make it.
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Wiped it out and for.
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Night, I mean for two hours you can't help but giggle ear to ear and that look tell who wouldn't want to do that and it's one of those things where like.
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Right?
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You hear that weird stuff like laugh, laugh, therapy and stuff.
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Well, that's kind of what this was for me.
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And then I'd sleep 8 hours straight through the night, not waking up, not tossing and turning.
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I'd feel great when I woke up.
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Dude, I was able to perform an appendectomy at age 14.
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I think I can handle a couple mushrooms.
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It was just a TV show.
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Did you see that Unicorn?
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Its horn was so shiny.
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I have requested of you many times that you share with me your experience with your heroic dose an so thanks for taking the time out.
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I can't wait to hear about it man are you?
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Ready to go.
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I'm ready to.
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Go, it's great to see you, by the way.
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Absolutely I.
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Up
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Kind of planned it out for a couple of days.
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But I guess about a week ahead of time, kind of decided it was time to do it.
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I had recently gone through some job shifts and had a little bit more free time on my hand and was trying to figure out what the next chapter professionally was going to be.
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Yeah, so I decided it was a good time to.
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Try my first heroic dose and.
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For people that are listening, the heroic doses, approximately how much?
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So they usually say it's between like anywhere North.
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Of five grams of.
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Yeah, that's what I've heard too.
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And of course.
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As you know, different mushrooms have different potencies.
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These were Golden teachers, so pretty standard.
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Pretty common.
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Everybody has probably sampled those if they have sampled the the wares of the mushroom world, so.
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We want a discount Golden teacher.
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I mean, they're fantastic.
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They're the gold standard, don't.
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Dump it with the teachers, absolutely.
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Abs.
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Blue, not so I it was.
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Was just kind of looking for it.
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Didn't really have any specific expectations going in.
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OK, good.
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I know a lot of folks go through and kind of set a specific intention and spend a lot of time working on that and so the morning that I anticipated taking the dose I went skiing or Backcountry skiing with my dog for.
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OK.
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Three hours or so and just spend some time in the quiet nobody around except for me and my dog in the cold working up a sweat, you know skinning uphill, skiing downhill.
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And trying to figure out really what I was trying to get out of it, because as I mentioned before, right there was a little bit of flux in my life and so I wasn't.
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Yeah.
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Quite sure exactly what my intention was going to be, which is OK.
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Pop.
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Sometimes that's the best way to go in.
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Absolutely.
00:20:46
Absolutely.
00:20:47
And you know, I thought I thought perhaps there would be some childhood things that would come up, you know, and and some some childhood emotions.
00:20:52
Trauma.
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I thought maybe there would be some of those emotions tide to some.
00:20:57
Of the job decisions that.
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I have been making and stuff like that, so I thought a lot about those things.
00:21:03
So though I didn't set a specific intention I I did kind of.
00:21:06
Take the time to think through.
00:21:08
A lot of that for the.
00:21:09
True.
00:21:10
So kind of in an indirect way.
00:21:12
You were creating your mindset, which I think is a perfect strategy.
00:21:16
Absolutely, and for me the the way to do that to nature obviously so and working hard so so skin and up the Hill is was a great way to do it.
00:21:20
Steven
00:21:26
Rd Home and silence and just kind of try to think of some mantras.
00:21:31
Tried to really get my mind into a place where I was ready to go.
00:21:34
Good.
00:21:36
And got home.
00:21:39
Uh.
00:21:41
And decided to go with around 6 grams.
00:21:43
Which is extremely heroic.
00:21:46
Yeah, 5 grams is.
00:21:46
It was perfect.
00:21:48
Yeah, 5 grams is like the floor so six man good for you.
00:21:52
It was fabulous, I I so I know a lot of people get tummy issues.
00:21:57
David, do you ever have tummy issues with mushrooms at.
00:21:59
All every once in a while, get a little uneasy, never thrown up.
00:22:03
Never was close to throwing up.
00:22:05
I've done a better job as I've taken more of them and gotten a little bit more mature with the process.
00:22:10
I fast and we talked about fasting.
00:22:13
I talked about activating it with lemon juice, so maybe some of those preparatory techniques have helped avert the stomach issues, but like I said, it just mild discomfort really is all I've ever.
00:22:24
Had I was a little nervous taking that much.
00:22:26
I've never had any.
00:22:27
I've always had kind of an iron stomach, but just in case I took your advice with a little bit of lemon juice and some cama meal, T Anna little honey an I blended the mushrooms up with all of that instead of actually making the T when you let the mushroom steep, I just blended up the mushrooms till they were powder.
00:22:31
Yeah.
00:22:33
Interesting.
00:22:44
T.
00:22:45
And that's Felix Felix was was big on the honey lemon mixture as well.
00:22:46
Uh.
00:22:50
So yeah, that seems to be a good recipe.
00:22:52
It's just so nice on your tummy, you know, and that cama meal brings a nice column over you right before you dive in.
00:22:57
I'm over you.
00:22:59
Just like nature's blanket.
00:23:01
Exactly, so I I.
00:23:03
Then I cooked a Big Breakfast and sat down to eat and 10 minutes in after drinking those 6 grams, I started to feel kind of the.
00:23:13
The sensation on the skin for me when it sets in it feels like I warmed up like I had just like I'm on a treadmill and my body finally breaks.
00:23:15
The tingle
00:23:21
The sweater gets to that.
00:23:22
Warmed up stage OK.
00:23:24
So I started to feel that and quickly decided to move to the bedroom that I had set up for for the experience.
00:23:32
Which which was great.
00:23:34
The morning we took a bunch of plants and a bunch of nature photos.
00:23:39
Had some paintings that we had done and placed them all around the room so that I'd have a lot to look at.
00:23:44
Have a really safe, calm environment.
00:23:47
There's a window in the room so I had light if I wanted it, but I closed it if I did.
00:23:50
Good.
00:23:51
You want it really comfortable bed in a whole.
00:23:54
Lot of pillows.
00:23:55
But let me ask you real quick.
00:23:56
You said you ate.
00:23:56
You ate breakfast right after you ate the mushrooms, OK?
00:24:02
Interesting, I've never never tried that.
00:24:03
And.
00:24:05
And that's what my girlfriend did the day after when she did, her dosed an she.
00:24:09
OK OK she.
00:24:11
She has more tummy issues than I did and she didn't have any.
00:24:14
Interesting, OK?
00:24:16
Not sure if that's a tried and true method or not.
00:24:18
Yeah.
00:24:18
May for most people come right back.
00:24:20
Up, but I don't know.
00:24:21
Yeah, I'm curious when you do it again.
00:24:22
If you don't eat afterwards.
00:24:24
If there's any sort of variance in the effect, or you know anything at all interesting?
00:24:30
OK, keep going.
00:24:31
Sure, so the room was nice and set up and I had selected a few playlists on Spotify.
00:24:40
OK.
00:24:41
Made sure my phone was in a place where it was easily accessible without, you know, going too crazy.
00:24:47
And I just lay down in the bed and put some headphones on and put on some really kind of triumphant classical music. Yeah, yeah. Have you read Atlas Shrugged? No, it's a book behind Rand about Objectivism, right? Like finding the an individual's personal like humans are heroic.
00:24:58
It.
00:24:59
OK.
00:25:07
OK.
00:25:07
And there the.
00:25:09
The best you can do for yourself is to strive to be productive for society and work really hard to be productive for society, which was what I was needing, right?
00:25:17
Going through some job changes and things, I just wanted that kind of real, triumphant productive type of music.
00:25:18
Sure.
00:25:24
And lay down in bed and watched the popcorn ceiling in my room.
00:25:30
Slowly become a mandala that started to rotate around the light fixture that was at the center of the.
00:25:36
Room and actually like I said.
00:25:37
Is it going like in concert with the music?
00:25:40
Uh huh.
00:25:40
I love absolutely spinning both directions.
00:25:43
You know, one ring would go one way or the other.
00:25:44
Ring would go the other way they were.
00:25:46
Moving.
00:25:47
And I would say it was less than 20 minutes after taking the dose.
00:25:53
I finally visually was so stimulated that I put an eye mask on and laid down and instantaneously I was strapped to the front of a rocket and just blasted through the Galaxy.
00:26:06
Just fantastic.
00:26:07
Sure, how long did that last, would you say?
00:26:10
So that portion of the.
00:26:14
Trip lasted about an hour and a half.
00:26:15
Really OK.
00:26:18
But there were lots of stages of that, so at first it was just strapped to the fertile rocket, going 1,000,000 miles an hour through this kind of tunnel that was red and black checkered on all sides and geometric shapes and patterns would pop up. Kind of in my periphery and spin around and move. And then I'd go down a different tunnel and.
00:26:39
Lots of fractals and stuff.
00:26:40
And it was.
00:26:41
It was, it was unreal.
00:26:43
The music became more of an emotional wave as opposed to actual like sounds and music.
00:26:49
It was like it was part of what was going on.
00:26:54
And for about an hour and a half, I was entirely just, you know, out there, right?
00:26:59
I I mascon rocking out to some incredibly triumphant classical music, lots of strings, lots of brass, just like wow.
00:27:08
Wow.
00:27:09
Which which was a ton of fun.
00:27:10
So all your senses were kind of working in concert with the music that is for me, that elevator in a second.
00:27:19
But yeah, for me when I did my ayawaska experience when I have good psilocybin experiences, all my senses kind of get together like a SEAL team and just work in a beautiful Symphony.
00:27:28
And so I can just visualize like what you're.
00:27:31
What you're going through in it, or I can be there with you in this experience.
00:27:35
Sure, and to your point, all the senses were engaged, right?
00:27:39
Like the bed started to kind of fold around me.
00:27:41
Yeah.
00:27:42
The textures of the different pillows and blankets I had.
00:27:42
Yeah.
00:27:46
And as I was going through that kind of.
00:27:49
Galaxy essentially it.
00:27:51
It started with the geometric shapes and then it became more of a kind of purples and Blues and red Galaxy stars everywhere.
00:28:00
And I found that things that were going on externally that made it into my ears, or things that were going on externally that made it to you know my eyes.
00:28:07
Kind of got incorporated into what was going on.
00:28:09
Huh?
00:28:10
Me.
00:28:11
So for instance.
00:28:12
There was a moment in the music an you know I wish I remembered the exact song or the composer for it, but the sun had just come through the window just right through the blinds and was shining right on my face.
00:28:27
And so I took my eye mask off and had this.
00:28:31
Incredibly profound feeling experience.
00:28:35
Being washed over with love and support.
00:28:40
And kind of a feeling of calm and confidence.
00:28:45
I can understand at that point by a lot of people find why mushrooms and other psychedelics have been a part of a lot of religious experiences because it's very easy to have that experience and, you know, quantify that as God.
00:28:58
Yeah, 'cause you can't articulate it any other way, I mean.
00:29:01
Right?
00:29:01
How can you?
00:29:02
How can you expect?
00:29:03
How can you explain the sun becoming like a blanket over you basically encompassing you with nature?
00:29:09
I mean that there's no way to really put that into action.
00:29:12
Words.
00:29:13
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:29:15
And I mean just the feeling of unity.
00:29:17
The feeling of oneness, and the feeling of understanding at that moment.
00:29:20
I I remember physically reaching out towards the light.
00:29:25
I know I was weeping because my eyes were just soaked and just having this moment of just profound love and compassion.
00:29:27
Sure.
00:29:32
Which was an album.
00:29:33
Awesome and for people who are listening.
00:29:35
One of the biggest features.
00:29:37
Benefits of psychedelics mushrooms specifically is just your oneness with nature, so you know whenever I my eyes light up and my voice tone changes when I hear people talking about nature during their psilocybin experience, it's because.
00:29:51
It's so profound and you know, it's almost like you are in the movie Avatar and you're becoming one with the tree and the Earth.
00:29:58
I mean, it feels like that.
00:29:59
And so for anybody to trivialize nature after having a psilocybin experience.
00:30:04
I mean, it just seems implausible.
00:30:06
You just feel much more connected.
00:30:08
So that's to me when I hear stuff like that.
00:30:11
You know it hits home because those are some of the most inspiring elements of the psilocybin trips.
00:30:18
I couldn't agree more.
00:30:21
And.
00:30:22
That that was that that moment during the trip was absolutely stood out.
00:30:27
I mean, there were many moments of of kind of feeling, compassion and having you know the external elements kind of play a role in what was going on.
00:30:36
But for about that first hour and a half, it was a lot of that.
00:30:39
Just a lot of kind of flowing.
00:30:41
With the music the music became.
00:30:44
Emotion and then it expressed itself visually and I I don't know how else to describe it.
00:30:51
Sure, I mean there were moments where I felt like, you know, moving with the music and probably would have been hilarious for my girlfriend to walk in at that moment when I'm like writhing in the sheets and just enjoying life and.
00:31:02
Oh yeah.
00:31:04
So let's let's.
00:31:04
So right now.
00:31:06
With the therapeutic aspect, so I mean, obviously the euphoria is amazing, like the oneness with nature.
00:31:12
You know crying just spilling all kinds of stuff out of you, and it feels feels right.
00:31:17
But I guess after the fact looking back from a therapeutic standpoint.
00:31:22
Like how did that stuff really translate to like or how did you?
00:31:26
How were you able to internalize that after the fact?
00:31:29
Walking away from the experience?
00:31:32
Well, I think after about that first hour and a half I came to to the point where I was no longer strapped to the front of rocket ship.
00:31:39
OK.
00:31:40
My senses were close enough to back to normal, but I was still very much.
00:31:44
Engaged in the trip, sure.
00:31:47
And so for about the next hour and a half, my energy was incredibly depleted.
00:31:52
But I was able to spend that time just I shifted the music to a bit more calm music when my mind had more room.
00:32:00
To generate its own thoughts and kind of got to sit and marinate on the the feeling of connection, the feeling of determination and the feeling of compassion and.
00:32:02
OK.
00:32:12
So it was.
00:32:13
For an hour and a half it was very much just kind of coming down calming an internalizing what?
00:32:21
I had just been through trying to come to terms with the experience with the sun, sure.
00:32:27
Growing up profoundly religious and then steering significantly away from religion in the later part of my life.
00:32:33
It was a unique experience to kind of see where potentially religion came from and to understand that maybe that maybe, that one this maybe that love, maybe that heaven that people talk about is is the connections that you have with people and what you do here on Earth and how you're able to share that compassion.
00:32:39
Interesting.
00:32:50
So yeah, don't attach it to one figurehead necessarily.
00:32:53
It's much more broad than that, yeah?
00:32:54
Right, yeah?
00:32:55
Oh no, the you mentioned crying too, and for those of you that haven't had a psilocybin experience, there's a lot of yawning and a lot of crying.
00:32:55
Absolutely.
00:32:57
Arm.
00:33:03
A lot of young.
00:33:04
And if you cannot stop it, but it's it's great.
00:33:06
I mean, you know it's good crying tears just kind of run out of your eyes regardless of whether you want them to or not.
00:33:12
But when you, when you mentioned crying, I didn't want anybody to think that you were sad.
00:33:16
It's just a byproduct of the experience.
00:33:19
Absolutely.
00:33:19
It definitely felt joyful an emotional as opposed to, you know, upset or sad, yeah.
00:33:25
Yeah.
00:33:26
So you had an hour and a half of just intense blast off, and then you mentioned that you were drained energywise, which it is draining.
00:33:34
Man, your serotonin levels are adjusted and the receptors are engaged, I mean.
00:33:39
It definitely takes it out of you both mentally and physically, so that makes sense.
00:33:43
She said that lasts about an hour and a half, and you were kind of started to reflect a little bit started to get a little bit more in.
00:33:49
Spective OK.
00:33:51
And I wasn't in a place where I wanted to like go, you know, back into the world and go to you know Starbucks and get a coffee and start talking to people.
00:33:59
I was very much in a place where I just kind of wanted to sit, lay, internalize.
00:34:05
I spent some time looking out the window at nature.
00:34:08
Ended up walking out to my.
00:34:08
Deck for a little while.
00:34:10
And really just spent that time being introspective and kind of trying to understand or trying to figure out.
00:34:17
How to apply what I had just felt 2 next steps in for me.
00:34:22
Awesome man and did it feel like.
00:34:26
If you're organic, one of the things that I always like to know with others is does it feel organic the way these things came up and you were able to objectively look at them and deal with them and did it feel like you had to really like struggle to bring those things out?
00:34:39
Or did they just organically pop up and you dealt with them as they came up?
00:34:44
You know the experience was incredibly organic, OK?
00:34:47
I I did come away from it an A few times during the trip.
00:34:51
I had thought to myself.
00:34:53
Like, you know, I'm not really.
00:34:55
I'm not really uncovering something new about myself currently, or I'm not really addressing certain things that maybe I felt like I needed to address.
00:35:04
You know, from childhood or anything like that.
00:35:06
So since it was my first first time there was there were lots of those kind of I don't want to call him insecurities, but maybe insecurities like should I be focusing on this or should I just let it go?
00:35:16
And for this trip, my intention once once it started, was to just let it go and just ride the ride.
00:35:22
What happened and not really try to guide it.
00:35:24
Yeah, perfect.
00:35:25
That's perfect, I yeah.
00:35:27
Think and yeah, having it being you're being your first macro dose or your first heroic dose.
00:35:32
Yeah, you can't expect it to just be all encompassing and your fix.
00:35:36
So being being having the apprehension going in, not having done that before, the anxiety not really being able to kind of like have any idea what you're up against because there's no intimate experience.
00:35:49
That's a lot to tackle your first time through, so just imagine like what you'll be able to tackle the next time, knowing that all that stuff is not a barrier to you getting into your quote, unquote, happy place.
00:36:01
Absolutely.
00:36:02
And it also made me.
00:36:03
Appreciate small doses of mushrooms because you that that feeling of connection after passion, that feeling of kind of understanding that that we're all in this together, whether we're people or animals or whatever, right?
00:36:08
Feeling of feeling.
00:36:16
Like, it's weird, but you get that feeling anyways.
00:36:18
Even with just a little bit.
00:36:19
And so now I appreciate that feeling a lot more because I feel like I.
00:36:23
Have a depression? Yeah yeah.
00:36:24
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:26
So like I guess, what for the listening audience and we'll try to keep this 20 minutes or so.
00:36:30
This has been awesome for listening.
00:36:32
Audience, what's your takeaway like if somebody is considering doing a heroic dose?
00:36:35
Or maybe they have some stuff that they want to deal with, like what's your take away from it and like, how would you recommend somebody approached this situation, if they're even curious about it going forward?
00:36:45
You know, I, I think most of the authors out there who write about it have it right.
00:36:51
OK.
00:36:51
It's really a lot about.
00:36:53
I mean it is.
00:36:54
It is a drug or a mind altering substance, right?
00:36:58
And so.
00:37:00
As with any of those, there's.
00:37:03
You can't really control it, and so you have to.
00:37:06
If you're planning on taking mushrooms in a high dose, you definitely want to take the time to.
00:37:11
It would prepare right?
00:37:12
Understand that you're gonna be.
00:37:14
You know, possibly blasting off on the.
00:37:17
Front of a rocket ship.
00:37:18
For three 6-7 hours and then the yeah and then the rest of that day. You are just drained. You've burned a lot of mental calories. You've burned a lot. Almost all your share toning.
00:37:20
As long as it takes.
00:37:32
Uh.
00:37:32
So it's it's really heavy, but I think that as long as it's approached understanding that you gotta ride, quote, unquote, the dragon, right?
00:37:42
You can't try to wrangle it.
00:37:43
Then it makes it a lot easier to let go.
00:37:47
And when you do, let go on that experience, even if you experience sad experiences or painful experiences there.
00:37:53
Ah, it's it's. It's it's.
00:37:55
Worth allowing your body and your mind to kind of.
00:37:57
Through that, with the help of those chemicals.
00:37:58
Yeah.
00:37:59
So, and I like how you said you're just completely drained afterwards that lasts like for me.
00:38:04
Sometimes that last a couple of days, not not in its entire T, but yeah, it it means off sometimes slowly.
00:38:11
So carving out a little bit of extra padding in your schedule to make sure that you're not going into super important board meeting or you're not, you know.
00:38:20
An entertaining some huge life decision or something.
00:38:24
Yeah, making sure you have that buffer I think is a good thing for newbies as well.
00:38:29
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:38:31
I mean, when I came out of it, I just kind of wanted to.
00:38:35
Not not too much.
00:38:36
I wanted to eat.
00:38:37
I was finally hungry after maybe six or seven hours after I took it.
00:38:40
Yeah, I kind of spent half an hour just lying on the bed with my girlfriend in my arms and we just laid there and both listened to the music together.
00:38:49
It was fantastic.
00:38:52
And we had the opportunity to kind of talk about and address some of the things that came up emotionally and.
00:38:57
Uh.
00:38:58
Yeah, awesome dude.
00:39:00
Thank you for taking the time to share that one quick thing.
00:39:04
How is your cultivation coming along?
00:39:05
I want to get a quick update from you before I let you go.
00:39:08
So I had two grain jars, one of them still hasn't fully populated OK, but I'm pretty close to just saying let's go ahead and use it because it started to and this is kind of neat.
00:39:19
The inside the grain jar has started to shrink, so it's basically eating and eating and eating and it's pulled itself off the walls now.
00:39:24
Right?
00:39:28
And so.
00:39:29
I think it's not really fair.
00:39:30
That cake is that.
00:39:31
Cake is probably ready to go.
00:39:32
Yeah, if it's starting to.
00:39:33
Absolutely.
00:39:34
If the mycelium shrinking a little bit, I would say even if there's like a little bit of grain that's scattered around.
00:39:39
If it's not fully colonized, take what you have for sure and work with it 'cause it will start to dry.
00:39:44
Absolutely.
00:39:44
Up a little bit.
00:39:45
Absolutely so, so I have two I took that one jar and split it between two large tupperwares for fruiting chambers.
00:39:54
Yeah.
00:39:54
Yeah, and so it's going to take a little bit longer to fully populate the substrate, the bullet casing.
00:40:00
But I checked it today and I've got little patches of the mycelia that have reached the top of each of them.
00:40:04
Beautiful.
00:40:06
Such a good feeling when you see that.
00:40:06
So I think it will be another.
00:40:08
Oh yeah, I'll take some pictures, so I think it'll be another couple weeks before it fully populates enough and then I'll pull the aluminum foil off the top and will be.
00:40:20
Starting to fruit.
00:40:21
Fantastic dude, thank you so much for being on.
00:40:24
We will have you back on as a full guest.
00:40:26
Will schmooze again soon but it's in your face.
00:40:29
Appreciates David good to see you brother.
00:40:30
Calculator.
00:40:31
Oh yeah.
00:40:32
Yeah, sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
00:40:37
Here we go.
00:40:38
Thanks.
00:40:38
Thanks for being her Boo Boo.
00:40:39
It thanks thanks, I'm excited to talk about this one.
00:40:42
It's it's probably my favorite mushroom out there, yeah?
00:40:44
True out there.
00:40:45
I remember eating this particular mushroom and being like this is a freaking awesome delicious mushroom.
00:40:49
I mean, I did not.
00:40:50
Want to share this?
00:40:51
It was so good.
00:40:53
Understood Anne now you're pregnant so you don't have to share anything ever again.
00:40:56
As long as you're carrying our child.
00:40:58
I have that on.
00:40:59
On tape.
00:41:01
I gave her the name of the mushroom.
00:41:02
Tell us the name of the mushroom.
00:41:03
It is mitaki which funny enough means dancing mushroom in Japanese.
00:41:04
Bye, Jackie.
00:41:09
Umm, I haven't seen one dance.
00:41:11
Maybe an animated version of a mitaki.
00:41:12
Needed answers in my mouth.
00:41:14
Oh, and we can burn out again if we need to do with that one, but right?
00:41:18
Yeah, so I guess I got that name after people danced with happiness upon finding it in the wild and also for its incredible healing properties.
00:41:29
So not only is it delicious like other mushrooms, but it also has medicinal properties.
00:41:35
Yes, this mushroom is a type of adapt.
00:41:38
Again, which adaptogens assist in the body and fighting against any type of mental or physical physical difficulties.
00:41:46
OK.
00:41:46
So like a little regulate systems that have become unbalanced when we spoke about that apothecary, they had those adapted adapted ginger drinks.
00:41:57
At in Santa Fe, that place was red.
00:41:58
Yeah, that place is so good.
00:42:00
Yeah, so adaptogens are all natural, right?
00:42:01
But yeah.
00:42:03
All natural these are found in nature and they assist you know, regulating stress levels and secreting the hormones.
00:42:12
I just kind of balance you out, yeah?
00:42:14
Awesome on that all natural you sold me there.
00:42:17
Yeah, so so for this one we protect.
00:42:21
We bought it at a farmers market and it's how does how would you describe it?
00:42:23
Uh huh.
00:42:27
It's like grows in the cluster.
00:42:28
It grows off wood.
00:42:30
Yeah well, so the like the chicken of the Woods so this one is called the hen of the Woods, the mitaki.
00:42:36
Yeah, so my talky is hen of the Woods.
00:42:38
Yeah, there's another mushroom chicken of the Woods I can't pronounce its name, but it's known as chicken of the Woods.
00:42:44
These two mushrooms, much like Shataiki, and some of the other gourmet mushrooms.
00:42:49
They grow in wood, so it's usually a down tree or something in the Woods where.
00:42:55
It's within a certain period.
00:42:57
I think it's a few weeks, is optimally where the mushroom would start to take hold of the tree or take hold of the wood.
00:43:04
If you were doing it at home, if you were home cultivating, you would take like an Oak tree within three weeks of being cut down and you would put.
00:43:14
Plugs, plugs containing mycelium or liquid culture or something that contains the basis for the mushroom and actually plug it into the wood and then you seal it off with beeswax and.
00:43:24
So essentially what I'm getting at is this mushroom requires wood to grow.
00:43:28
It's not 1 where you can grow it on Rye grain or spawn or anything like that.
00:43:31
It has to grow out of wood.
00:43:32
Word.
00:43:33
Again naughty, these podcasts are getting naughtier and naughtier.
00:43:36
I mean, our brains are in the gutter.
00:43:37
Yeah, I mean you are in the 2nd trimester, so the hormones are reflowing in the MUstaSH ROOM.
00:43:42
They are, they are.
00:43:44
An I notice not just Oak but also Elm and Maple.
00:43:47
It does work in those as well and then the autumn months is so in fall kind of right before the weather changes.
00:43:49
OK, cool.
00:43:55
Is when they're kind of plentiful, and you could forge for them.
00:43:58
Yeah, supposedly and again I don't have any direct experience, but supposedly they only grow like every six months.
00:44:05
Or you know, once a year you really don't get the yields that you would with some of the other mushrooms.
00:44:06
Me.
00:44:10
Such a shame, because these are so good you guys have to eat.
00:44:13
Yeah.
00:44:15
Yeah, and so yeah, these are fat free, low sodium, low calorie, cholesterol free mushrooms.
00:44:23
When we got them so they kind of grow in a cluster so leave them as in that cluster.
00:44:29
What do you mean by that?
00:44:30
So what would you kind of like?
00:44:32
They almost look like lettuce leaves in the way that they kind of sprout up.
00:44:35
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:38
So instead of breaking them and like into small pieces to throw in the oven and roast, 'cause that's what we did.
00:44:44
We drizzled it with some olive oil.
00:44:46
Salt and pepper. That was it, and it was probably 400 degrees for 1520 minutes, but try to leave them intact and they have this like.
00:44:48
Yeah, it's delicious.
00:44:57
Butter flavor where, when they're roasted, they just the butter.
00:45:03
The butter taste just comes out without even adding butter.
00:45:06
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
00:45:06
I mean they're you know it's it's just natural stuff.
00:45:09
So to know that you have all these different flavor palates in nature, just available maybe a little expensive.
00:45:14
Yeah.
00:45:15
You know.
00:45:15
Like I said, these are gourmet mushrooms, but it's a nice alternative to the same pork or chicken or whatever meat you're using on a daily basis.
00:45:22
Yes, I would say as far as purchasing these, they probably won't be in your local grocery store, but if there's like a Japanese grocery store, or like a specialty grocery store, you might have more luck finding them there. But these mushrooms are rich in antioxidants, vitamins B&C, copper, potassium.
00:45:31
Right?
00:45:43
Of course, fiber, minerals, and amino acids and something else I wanted to highlight was beta glucans.
00:45:50
I have no idea what that is.
00:45:51
Yes, so they are a form of soluble dietary fiber.
00:45:56
So there are strongly linked to improving your cholesterol levels and boosting your heart health.
00:46:00
OK.
00:46:01
So yeah, so this is beta glucans are typically in whole grains, oats, bran, wheat, but you'll also find these with them a takis, so they'll keep you full too.
00:46:09
Cool and yeah and you mentioned you know Japan and it's the Japanese market.
00:46:17
You know the Far East has been keen on mushrooms for their medicinal and just their taste.
00:46:21
They have.
00:46:24
Their their flavor qualities for so long. It's it's amazing that that, as in the US, we really haven't embraced all facets of mushrooms up until recently. Paul stamets. I mean.
00:46:34
That dude is just.
00:46:35
He's he's moving mountains and the mountains are and they still need a lot of moving.
00:46:40
Yeah, so we need to definitely check out that Japanese grocery store downtown.
00:46:46
It's like a mile and a half away and just see all the mushrooms that they have.
00:46:49
I'm down.
00:46:51
Down.
00:46:52
So anything anything else we should know about the Mitaki AKA head of the?
00:46:56
Good.
00:46:58
So let's see.
00:47:02
I mean, we did kind of talk about most of them, but definitely you could add them to stir fries.
00:47:06
You can roast them whole.
00:47:07
You can add them to omelette soups.
00:47:09
He
00:47:10
You can talk pizzas with them.
00:47:12
They can be useful in treating cold and flu viruses as well.
00:47:16
So if you're sick, load up on some mushrooms.
00:47:18
Yeah, just like rub some mushrooms on your kids forehead and boom, the cold is gone.
00:47:22
I mean.
00:47:23
Oh, you have to consume them, but it's not a.
00:47:25
I would say I mean, wouldn't you want the taste, Madam?
00:47:26
Not a topical solution, OK?
00:47:29
Yeah, I don't know what mushrooms are top them.
00:47:30
Just to clarify.
00:47:33
So yeah, I would definitely recommend this one for for all your listeners out there.
00:47:37
Well, thank you very much for another amazingly educational session.
00:47:42
We will continue to learn from you wife Jill.
00:47:43
Which in turn is thank you.
00:47:45
All right bye bye.