Episode 10 - Holotropic Breathing & Chicken of the Woods
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What's up, back in the MUstaSH ROOM?
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I'm your host David Ben.
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Thank you for joining on this episode.
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My good friend Sean joins us.
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He's a yoga instructor, a breathing expert.
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He is familiar with Holotropic breathing, which is awesome.
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We also are joined by wifey.
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Jill who educates us on the chicken of the wood chicken of the Woods mushroom.
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Not to be confused with fried chicken mushroom which tastes like radishes.
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Here you go.
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Over.
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I've been thinking about this and I'm I'm excited to have this conversation with you and.
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It's really cool to 'cause I spend all my time talking about yoga, movement, massage and so when somebody is interested and they want to know about it, that's like.
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That's all I could want so.
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They have no teacher wants to talk to an audience on their phones, right?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, exactly an you know we've had to do some of that lately, but it's Oh yeah, you know I.
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Take we take what we can get.
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Mean the pandemic has made it a challenge for sure education, but now I'm glad you're here.
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Yes.
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We know each other from jujitsu, but you're also a yoga instructor.
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I know you do massage.
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The reason I thought it be cool for you to join us is.
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You do a lot of things both professionally and non professionally that play right into our whole methodology.
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With the podcast you know mental Improvement, better state of consciousness, just exploration of oneself so.
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He
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I thought it be really cool to kind of talk about maybe how you see your the facets of what you do, kind of playing into that hand and just kind of your perspective.
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AB.
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Absolutely man so.
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Whatever with yoga, how long have you been an instructor or been involved in yoga, period?
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So I've been a teacher for about 6 years and I've been practicing for probably 10 years before that.
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Not so consistently like I had to become a teacher to make it like an everyday thing, which is what it is now, sure.
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Yeah, Black Swan, Denver, right?
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Correct, yeah, that's where I'm working right now.
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Awesome.
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Yep, so we we might as well plug that.
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Yeah, you've now Black Swan Chris, who's on the pot, who's been on the podcast and Felix are both from Texas, Chris specifically from Austin, so he's very familiar with Black Swan is that is that kind of where it started off.
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Austin is the birth, the birth place of.
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Black Swan and then it moved to Houston.
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Then Dallas and San Antone.
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And this is the first one outside of Texas, so it's it's pretty amazing.
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Cool.
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And you were involved in, like the founding of this chapter of Black Swan, right?
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The Denver chapter, right?
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The gender chapter OK cool so like I've done some of your yoga and it's awesome and I felt it was it.
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Yes yeah.
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But the good workout and really well done.
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But what do you think makes Black Swan different from like the Palatine yoga or you know core power or the other stuff that people might be working with.
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Yeah yeah, so one of the things like for example.
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So you go to a court, power, you go to one of these nationwide chains and what you get is.
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A lot of consistency.
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Yeah, you get.
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You know there's there's not going to be many surprises.
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You're going to get a really high quality product that's the same in California as it is in Denver as it is in New York and then so with Black Swan.
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What we're trying to do is.
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Really get our teachers to be themselves.
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I think that is just a message that a lot of people need to hear these days.
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Just be yourself and So what?
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We want our teachers to do is just do what they do best.
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If that's kundalini yoga, if that's like we have one teacher that does.
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Vision quest so it's like a restorative yoga an and she'll do a visual guide you through a vision quest.
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I she did one for addition to Kiana and I.
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I don't even know what that means.
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What is a vision quest?
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So it's like it's it's basically a guided meditation.
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But you, she like, gives you certain prompts like certain visuals, OK, you know, either specific summer specific summer, like more general, as in like OK, we're going to give you this carpet that you're on and then you're going to fly and then you choose where you go.
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So it's all.
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It's all fictional.
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It's all in your head, correct?
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OK, yeah.
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So, so yeah, she guides you through that an which is is just a great way to tap into the moment.
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So anyways, there's there's just quite a variety of stuff that we want to offer, so it's different in that like if you're at corepower, which I've taught there before, you're teaching a very set sequence.
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The flow is always the same.
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Right, right?
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Yeah.
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Well?
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And then there's there's just certain parameters that you have to meet as a teacher there OK?
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And then your class has to reflect those, but with Black Swan were just like play what music you want, play or do?
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If you want to do some jumping jacks, I don't know whatever makes you new unique as a person.
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Whatever you have to offer that nobody else does.
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That's what we want to see an my personal feeling with that is I I don't just want to tell people, be yourself, do your own best thing.
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That's easier said than done, yeah?
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Yeah yeah, an I I'm I'm just trying to do that on my own but what I think is that if you set the example people are going to be more likely to.
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Follow you know, I think that's that's the best way to teach, especially these kind of intangible things.
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You know what does it mean to be yourself, you know.
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So I think that's for you to figure out on your own.
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But if I can be myself and and do great things, then I think that's setting a good example for you to do.
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That's very subjective.
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Yeah man, that's a really good point.
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Oh
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I did stand up comedy for about 6 years.
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I think I told you and my podcast in Tampa was about stand up comedy and mixed.
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Yeah.
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Visual arts, but the one thing I realized was stand up comedy and I didn't do it long enough to really be like, you know, top tier like full bravado, but I I did a person.
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Pretty decent job and the one thing I realized is whenever I tried to portray somebody that I wasn't a character or like the thoughts or opinions were not directly my own or.
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Obfuscate it a little bit.
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The audience just never took me on the journey.
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They never went with me on the journey, 'cause they're the.
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Yes.
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Menu in the genuineness of the bit was gone and they just they can sense it.
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So you're right when somebody can actually be themselves and they can just be organic, an yet efficient and professional.
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It just allows somebody to be a little bit looser and kind of try to do the same themselves.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, easier said than done, but they're really good comics.
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What you see on stage is exactly what you see off stage.
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Yeah OK, yeah.
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May not be as confident 'cause that's their space, but it's the same opinion, same mindset, same person.
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The people that play a character, some of them you know, do a good job, but for the most part they're not real like.
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They're not the kind of comic that you would say.
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I really share their vision, they just entertain you.
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Right?
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And as a great comic, I always feel you need to share your vision in the audience needs to embrace your vision for it to be successful.
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And so the the organic Ness and the real personal aspect of it.
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It's got to be there.
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Yeah.
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I went off on a tangent.
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Yeah no, no.
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I mean that's it's all.
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Yeah.
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It's all relevant.
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I think that.
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That yoga really puts you in that space where you can start to even realize the ego an and even start to see it as something like this.
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This incessant.
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Thought pattern that just doesn't go and then for brief moments like in shavasana in different types of breath work you get that that where the ego starts to step back and then you feel like this sense of common and.
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Millimeters.
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Almost just present the judgment stops the the worrying stops and you just feel like yourself and so that's that's what I'm going for here.
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An and so that's that's what I think Black Swan is is all about.
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In addition to being iaccessible, right?
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So one of the one of the main things that weren't.
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Sorry, that was that.
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Was Brody there choking.
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Bald.
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I like.
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Like it yeah he.
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Him.
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He makes sporadic appearances, desperation, that.
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He's
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Do it yourself, sorry.
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No, no, no, it's so it's we're making it accessible.
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So by making the focus on being yourself where we're not emphasizing that you do an arm balance every time we're not.
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We're not making that the goal or the focus of you getting into this incredible posture.
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We just want you to move around.
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And connect with the people around you, and then if you get into an awesome posture, that's great.
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But that's not the focus.
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We're really not trying to make people feel pressured to do something that they don't feel ready to do.
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Now with with your, with the routines that your instructors go through, do you have like a standards and practices thing that you go through to say hey, I need to kind of see like what your construct looks like?
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Or make sure that your thought process Marys with the vision of a Black Swan?
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Or do you just trust them based on their resume, yeah.
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Yeah, so we do an audition for everybody, so that's what the first few months that I was here.
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OK.
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I was doing a bunch of auditions at Cheeseman Park.
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OK, which was awesome.
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Just an yeah, yeah, so that's that's where you did the class and so we would just meet teachers there and have them take have them take us through their class.
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That's why I did it.
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And So what we're looking for is not that you know the name of every pose that you know all the Sanskrit.
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What we're looking for is that you can make a mistake.
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And then crack a joke about it and you can can just interact with your students and and just be aware and present yourself.
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OK.
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You know just and that's going to help you put people.
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Leads we're not necessarily after the people that are already good at yoga.
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Alright, we want everybody, OK.
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People that feel uncomfortable going to yoga class like that's my target audience is a people that don't feel like comfortable in yoga clothes or they feel silly doing a downward dog.
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I love him.
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Like I I want you to break down that that barrier between you and this very accessible way to move your body.
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And.
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And so, yeah, that's that's the theme of this is iaccessible yoga.
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In addition to that, we're donation based, so that's that's just part of the Iaccessible theme.
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Anybody should come regardless of your financial situation.
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Love it and people definitely donate. I mean, you know after the classes that I've gone to, people were really appreciative they enjoyed the style of the instructor and people donated. So don't think that people are just coming in and freeloading off of Sean's good nature. I mean people do appreciate this and do give back so there's a lot of reciprocity there for sure.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's
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That's an interesting thing, like I had a girlfriend that went to.
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So she was German and she went back to Germany to do this and she couldn't get people to donate like she couldn't do the donation based idea.
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Really.
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People wouldn't do it because they'll donate, you know, just the bare minimum which we depend on.
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Huh, different culture in it?
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People donating a little more a little less sometimes, but we can't just have everybody give a dollar, yeah.
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Or we won't stay open, so it's just interesting that.
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It, at least here it seems like in order to receive something you kind of have to give something and then based on and then that that's how you value that thing. You know you're going to pay more attention to the class if you paid 20 bucks, then if you paid $0.50.
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Agree.
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When you need that, I mean you know there needs to be some validation that you know the audience other than just smiling and leaving.
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Is receiving your services well too?
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I mean, it still is a business even though it's donation based.
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Right, right and and so that's just an amazing thing that that actually works, you know, yeah.
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Cool well so on I've noticed that you're big into breathing.
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One of the things that you know from rolling with me in jiu jitsu.
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Get to eating right now one.
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Of the things that I struggle with, just, you know, from past anxiety and just kind of being like a tense person, most of my life is my breathing man.
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Yeah.
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Like you know, get into a position and not have the right mental focus and I stop breathing until I can figure out.
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I want to be but in that time where I stop breathing I screw myself for the entire duration of whatever I'm doing 'cause I can never catch up.
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Yep.
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So like I've looked into Holotropic breathing, I've I've done a lot of pranayama breathwork myself and I found those things to be useful.
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But with yoga I'm sure it's so much more important for you to have that as a.
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A skill set.
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To be a useful or to be a valid yoga instructor.
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Absolutely man, so I'm I'm curious what you've tried holotropic and some different types of pranayama.
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What any any technique or or that you like or that really works for you.
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Yeah, do you like pranayama?
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So when I learned when we did the ayawaska
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Experience in Orlando.
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They taught us a lot of pranayama variations and we did a lot of breathwork to prepare for the experience which I thought was awesome.
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Uh huh.
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So you know just the holding one nostril exiting, you know, breathing in from the other one kind of rotating which nostrils closed traditional.
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Yeah.
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Comma I found that to be helpful.
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It's not comprehensive, you know, it's just a basic skill to kind of, you know, soften my mood a little bit, but I haven't really done any holotropic.
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Sure.
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I've done more research and kind of heard from other people.
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Yeah.
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I haven't delved into it myself, but I've heard it's both intents and can incite the same type of experience that you can get on like normal entheogens.
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Yes I have with so with holotropic.
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Have you done it?
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It's very involved.
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It's very energy intense, so you you're in this room with cushions and Pat and you're in a very comfortable like all pattered up and on bolsters and stuff and blankets.
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And then there was a lot of preamble like the.
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The lady that taught us.
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Was, you know, just talking about how amazing the experience is, so there's a lot of buildup.
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And then you're like, OK, let's sounds awesome.
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Yeah, you get to it and they turn on this music where it's like tribal percussion, just loud loud drums.
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And then you start breathing fully in and fully out.
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OK.
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And fully in, and so it's a very, very full complete breath cycle an you're just trying to get yourself to a mental space of.
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I I so you might compare it to the Wim Hof where you're hyperventilating.
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And that's what I've heard.
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I've heard there's like a it's not constricted blood flow, but necessarily but like redirected or consolidated blood flow, which makes your brain kind of think that the OR the serotonin goes crazy.
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So there's try to ask one of these.
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Instructors the science behind it.
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OK, an I don't think there's a lot I.
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I think the it's anecdotal experiences an so everybody in that room had, you know, some sort of experience.
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Gotcha.
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I didn't have a particularly psychedelic experience.
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However, I felt euphoric afterwards.
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I felt very energized and at that same time relaxed.
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But there were people around that were crying or or laughing uncontrollably, or rising.
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Or, you know, just in some way.
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Having an amazing experience and I.
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I don't know if that comes from like having trauma that you needed to release or what, but some people were had a far more intense experience than I did.
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Yeah, I think it's a combination of two things.
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Because it triggers a lot of the same receptors that other entheogens trigger as well.
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So I mean you have a lot of the same the same benefits but with ayawaska.
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What I noticed is that people that and this was just the integration and just knowing who I was dealing with, the people that vomited excessively.
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The people that Riseden extensible pain.
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Those people had a lot going on.
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Yeah.
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They didn't have a lot of introspection.
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They didn't do a lot of therapy, they.
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Didn't necessarily have the right mindset or preparatory skills going into it.
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Yes.
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There was just a lot going on that had to be released, so I know exactly what you're talking about and consider yourself, you know, give yourself a Pat on the back 'cause it means if you've done some work going into it and didn't have as much built up that had to be released.
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Yeah, yeah, sure. And I. I think that like Holotropic is, is not my favorite, but it just because it's so much work it you're breathing like that for 45 minutes so and so it's a lot of work to get. So I mean.
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Off
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I I prefer other types of breath work.
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I prefer Wim hof technique.
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What is that?
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I know Wim Hof from Joe Rogan and you know his sense of Mount Everest in his shorts or whatever.
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Yeah, yeah, right.
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An in record time.
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Yeah yeah oh he's a madman.
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He did that so you know and he's really good at that.
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Just getting his message out there.
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He's just like I met him.
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He came to on it.
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You get it.
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On it.
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Which is?
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In Austin
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They who owns?
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This one and he taught us all this. His technique, you know, in the warm up and then the actual technique and then we jumped in Aubrey's pool which was filled with ice.
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So we got the full experience like I was, you know, 'cause I had been following him for a while before that and.
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Yeah, like, oh ****
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I was like Oh yeah, I get to see me.
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Like oh ****
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Wim Hof, but the way it works is you have to be relaxed.
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You want your heart rate to be down before you start the technique, so you don't want to just come off a run and then start that.
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OK.
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I say this as I do it at the end of my workout, so it's, you know, but ideally you're doing it before your workout.
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There's a recipe if you want to follow the recipe OK?
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Yeah, but it's it's still impactful whenever you do it.
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OK.
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OK, but yeah, you want to be relaxed to get the most bang for your Buck.
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So like lately I've been doing it in the morning, but sometimes I'll do it after my workout.
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But anyways you do 2 to 3 minutes of hyperventilating so that.
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Means you're inhaling as much as you can, and he's got a specific way to do that. OK, and then your ex, hailing about half the breath so 100% inhale and you're just releasing on the exhale. And what that does is flood your bloodstream with oxygen so that it's increasing from, I think at default.
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OK.
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Increasing.
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At just baseline is around 9496% saturation, so you're bringing it up to 99.
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So your blood doping essentially yes, wow.
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Yes, exactly, it's a performance enhancing growth and then you see like different athletes that are using this too, because there's those those benef.
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Shout out to Lance Armstrong.
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But what's really interesting about the Wim HOF technique is so I'll finish up with that.
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The steps to it so you you do 2 to 3 minutes of that, and then you hold your breath.
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And because of that buildup of oxygen you are able to hold your breath for quite a while longer.
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OK, so with some practice.
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It's.
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2-3 minute breath hold and you feel it surprisingly calm at ease during that hold. Surprisingly present where your ego starts to go away and you just become more.
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Where beautiful, very similar to psychedelics.
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Yeah, and that's my aunt.
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No.
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My aunt is a very.
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She's a non traditional healing professionals.
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Been doing it forever.
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Super Super knowledgeable about the space and she did a lot of holotropic breathing and she said she had mystical experiences.
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So I mean, yeah, that's that's legit.
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Yeah, I believe that now.
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I yeah, I, I think it's real and I think that.
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So the best truth that you know objectively we can all agree on is like science and the gold standard to that is, you know the double blind study or whatever, but that's not available on so much of this stuff. But what women's done is like gotten scientists and scholars to measure his his hormone levels and all his vital signs.
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While he's doing so, we can actually get some concrete evidence. So you do you do that breath hold after 2-3 minutes of hyperventilating and then you take a giant breath in.
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I love it.
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And at that point, after you've held your breath for so long, you are ready to receive oxygen.
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So you get like a nice big hit of oxygen, and you hold that and you squeeze, and you isometrically contract every muscle in your body.
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So it's really intense, wow.
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But then you get this experience of kind of leaving your body.
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You you might pass out, you might forget where you are.
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Or it's fairly similar to a DMT trip where you you experience a just a wave of emotion and sensation all at once, so it's kind of like you have some bad stuff, some good stuff, but they all balance together to make you just.
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OK.
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I know serene so.
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Like DMT, is it a short lived experience?
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Huh?
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DMT is short, yeah.
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But I thought about the entropic effects.
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Oh
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The so with the with the Wim.
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Hof effects it's.
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It's a very short yeah, so maybe like.
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OK.
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You know 1030 seconds of just bliss or just some kind of emotional release.
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But
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Gosh, oh OK.
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What I meant to say.
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So during that breathhold well you just.
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You're chill, right?
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And you can do more pushups than you can normally really.
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Yes.
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00:22:14
Or the blood doping man?
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I mean, it's supposed to be a performance enhancer.
00:22:17
Yeah yeah, but like you, I don't know.
00:22:18
Make sense.
00:22:20
Like you hear that and you don't really believe it until you see it or do it and I did it and I was like wow I can just push.
00:22:26
You know while you're holding your breath.
00:22:29
Which is.
00:22:31
You know one of the gimmicks that he does to like show this technique is awesome, yeah.
00:22:36
Yeah, I think just being able to completely manage and create the experience without anything else other than just some breath work that to me is the most novel aspect of that type of experience.
00:22:45
Yeah.
00:22:45
00:22:48
I mean, you're not taking anything you're not consuming anything other than just air.
00:22:52
And body contraction that's crazy.
00:22:54
So.
00:22:54
One thing I like to say to my students about the breath is no matter what, so you might injure your shoulder and you can't do jiu jitsu.
00:23:04
You might break whatever and you have to stop, but you can always breathe.
00:23:09
There's never a time when you can't breathe until you're dead, and at that point it doesn't matter so.
00:23:14
Good point.
00:23:15
Yeah, so you're this is an accessible tool to everybody.
00:23:18
Another thing is think about how much focus people spend on their diet or exercise, and so you eat a few times a day.
00:23:30
Can you plan that out and you know that if you eat?
00:23:35
I I'll call Whole Foods alright.
00:23:37
Whatever I know, people are on a lot of different diets, but if you eat what you consider to be a healthy diet, you're going to feel results from that.
00:23:43
You're going to feel better, more energy, whatever it is.
00:23:46
Sure.
00:23:48
And then same thing if you drink enough water.
00:23:50
If you're doing your workouts, you're feeling better.
00:23:52
These are far less direct I believe than the breath which you are doing every single.
00:23:58
2nd.
00:23:59
Right, so by modifying the breath, the cumulative impact throughout the day throughout weeks is just.
00:24:04
I gotcha, yeah.
00:24:07
It's a far more direct approach to healing to medison, so I think it's the most accessible form of medicine that we have.
00:24:16
And you're just, you're just taking something that you already do and tweaking it an making better use of it.
00:24:21
Yeah.
00:24:21
00:24:22
I love it.
00:24:22
Yeah I love it man.
00:24:23
And the holotropic breathing I don't know.
00:24:25
Would you say when when half is like the.
00:24:28
The expert on breathwork.
00:24:30
Like if people really wanted to get more insight into the benefits of polytropic or just breathwork in general, would that be a good place to start?
00:24:36
So I would call Wim Hof more of a cheerleader for breathwork.
00:24:40
OK, all right.
00:24:41
He's he's not so articulate with the science gotcha.
00:24:45
God.
00:24:47
When you when you listen to him.
00:24:48
Yes, I encourage you to listen to him.
00:24:50
If you're trying to get into this because he's going to tell you a bunch.
00:24:53
Stuff that will inspire you an an he's he's so magnetic with his personality that you hear like this guy you know he's a little crazy but he's doing stuff that works and if you look at his story an like his his past about like the things he had to overcome and how we use breathwork to do that.
00:25:15
It's just to me.
00:25:17
So if you're looking for information though on breath, work if you're looking for more science, I would recommend two books.
00:25:24
One is called breathe right conveniently by James Nestor and the other one is called the oxygen advantage by Patrick McKeown and.
00:25:30
OK.
00:25:34
Fantastic.
00:25:36
So that's a very science based logical, you know, if you're like me, you need some like some proof, some some concrete evidence, or at least I'm reassure.
00:25:44
Yeah.
00:25:47
But then those are a couple of books to get you started really accessible.
00:25:50
Awesome.
00:25:51
You don't need a science background or anything.
00:25:53
I love it.
00:25:53
I love it.
00:25:53
Yeah.
00:25:54
So yeah, I I personally if I can kind of get to the same place with mushrooms or with other things for me like the breathwork just seems just I'm intimidated by it right?
00:26:05
So I haven't really delved into that level of breathwork, but at some point I want to get there so hopefully I'll have some experiences in the near future that I can report back to the audience about OK?
00:26:11
OK.
00:26:17
But not there yet.
00:26:17
If you wanted to do it right now, I I could guide you through Wim Hof.
00:26:22
But OK.
00:26:22
Not on the podcast because I try to keep these two half an hour 45 minutes again, but absolutely, I'll do an integration testimonial to talk about how the experience work.
00:26:27
Google, yeah.
00:26:32
I'm happy to guide you through it anytime I.
00:26:34
I love it man. I
00:26:34
00:26:34
Love it, yeah.
00:26:34
00:26:34
Love it man I.
00:26:34
Yeah.
00:26:34
Thought Oh yeah.
00:26:36
Sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
00:26:41
Here we go.
00:26:42
Hello.
00:26:42
Joe, thanks for being here.
00:26:44
What what are you going to educate us on this week?
00:26:47
Well, I believe last week we talked about hand of the Woods, is that correct?
00:26:51
Yes, he might catch up.
00:26:52
So we're going to pivot and talk about the good old chicken of the Woods.
00:26:58
Everybody likes chicken.
00:27:00
Or everything tastes like chicken with what are you, whichever way you want to look at it.
00:27:01
Good point.
00:27:04
Yeah, not everything.
00:27:05
I mean things touted as tasting like chicken.
00:27:07
Not always the case, but in this case supposedly tell us about your mushroom.
00:27:11
Yeah, so this mushroom does make a good substitute for chicken meat if well cooked, so it did earn its name.
00:27:20
It's not like it was scared, scared chicken of the Woods.
00:27:23
Ah, I like that little bit of humor.
00:27:27
But alternate names also include crab of the Woods.
00:27:32
What did you, the sulfur shelf?
00:27:35
Yeah, so the way that it grows, I've never I don't have any personal experience growing it.
00:27:35
And yeah.
00:27:40
Yeah, we we neither of us have worked with it before.
00:27:42
We aspire to change that, however, but from what I've read, what I've seen online, it appears to grow in like a shelf pattern, like a little branches growing out from the wood like yellow egol.
00:27:51
Miller
00:27:56
Colored branches and so.
00:27:59
Yeah the fan shape.
00:28:01
Right?
00:28:01
Semi circular.
00:28:03
A suede like surface texture but yeah the yellows oranges an it looks like when they're older they start fading to white FY I.
00:28:14
OK, I want is that older or oxidized wonder.
00:28:18
It just says older.
00:28:20
It doesn't say anything about oxidation.
00:28:22
Gotcha.
00:28:23
These are I've never really seen them available for purchase like at the supermarket or the farmers market.
00:28:24
Yeah.
00:28:30
They're pretty hard to come.
00:28:31
Yeah.
00:28:32
Why?
00:28:32
Yeah, and it might be because they grow in the Inwood.
00:28:36
Right, Oak and other types of wood.
00:28:38
I think the animal ones most often grown Oak.
00:28:41
OK, OK yeah.
00:28:42
So habitat I'm living or dead Oak as well as other hardwoods.
00:28:45
Who?
00:28:48
I like how they have a little tone I like, I like dead or alive. Let's do this. Let's spawn.
00:28:52
Oh
00:28:54
I know, I wonder what the difference?
00:28:57
Let's find.
00:29:00
Already got off track here.
00:29:01
I mean Jill had her attempted humor.
00:29:03
That was my or anyways.
00:29:04
Go back to what you're.
00:29:05
Saying, yeah, so chicken of the Woods.
00:29:08
It's predominant throughout North America.
00:29:12
You know, there's quite a bit of benefits from it.
00:29:14
It's obviously going to be a low calorie cholesterol free food.
00:29:19
In which all mushrooms are cholesterol free, but in talking about it as a vegetarian.
00:29:25
Chicken Subs.
00:29:26
Shoot, it has pretty high protein considering the volume of it, so one serving has 100 grams, has 33 calories, but with that it has 14 grams of protein, which the nutritionist of me is like 14 grams of protein times 4 grams of.
00:29:49
Calories per gram does not add up.
00:29:51
So I'm going to have to Fact Check that piece of it, but basically.
00:29:56
That that formula wasn't familiar to me and maybe some of the other.
00:29:59
OK, so yeah so calories, a gram of fat, 1 gram of fat is 9 calories, 1 gram of protein is 4 calories and 1 gram of carbohydrates are 4 calories.
00:30:11
So if something theoretically has 14 grams of protein at 4 calories per gram.
00:30:19
They're going to have 68 calories, so this is 33 calories.
00:30:23
OK.
00:30:26
You can just erase calories, so something's off here and I'm gonna have to do some researches to see whether it's the protein content or the calorie content. But nonetheless when you.
00:30:35
Gotcha.
00:30:37
So expect let's for the listening audience expect to.
00:30:40
Follow up where.
00:30:40
You wanna follow up on the next one.
00:30:41
We're gonna get the giant whiteboard out an we're just going to draw this out and we'll get back to you with our findings.
00:30:43
Yeah.
00:30:46
Yeah, but I will say you know 100 grams of chicken of the Woods, the mushroom versus 100 grams.
00:30:55
Regular chick in the ones with feathers.
00:30:58
Thanks for clarifying.
00:30:59
The chick in with feathers has doubled the protein, but five times the amount of calories.
00:31:06
Wow.
00:31:06
So you could theoretically just eat 2 portions of chicken of the Woods have equivalent protein and less than half the calories.
00:31:13
Now, as good as this sounds like, I said, it's definitely not as readily available.
00:31:17
What's the technical name though?
00:31:19
It's chicken of the Woods is the friendly name, but if you look at the scientific name, it's a little less friendly let.
00:31:21
Oh, you're gonna make me say this.
00:31:27
Is it lad Aporias so furious.
00:31:30
Yeah, I mean I don't see anything where it has like the little bullhorn where it tells you gives you the audio pronunciation, but it lets let Aporias so furious close enough.
00:31:37
Yeah, we don't have that.
00:31:43
Nonetheless, chicken of the Woods is way better to work with.
00:31:47
There's no reason to strain your brain cells trying to figure out how to pronounce the technical name.
00:31:52
Yeah, and you know, even just you could order spores of Amazon.
00:31:57
I mean there it's pretty readily available.
00:31:59
Again, we have not worked with it before, so we're not sure how easy it is to.
00:32:05
To work with and.
00:32:06
It's it's fruiting capacities, but you know it's it's something you can have fun with and just play with and you know, reap some of the the rewards, but this one.
00:32:18
Some of the additional benefits properties of the mushrooms are the antioxidant effects, the anti carcinogenic.
00:32:27
So it works great with preventing cancers and kind of reducing some of the chances of getting that hormonal balancing.
00:32:36
So I did read.
00:32:38
That estrogen levels, if you're looking to balance out your estrogen levels. An just FYI, men have estrogen chip too. It's not just women.
00:32:47
Hey Cortana.
00:32:47
00:32:47
Cortana.
00:32:47
00:32:48
No, you have a lower amount, but you know we both do benefit, but from having those hormones balanced OK are respectively anti inflammatory benefits, great with stabilizing blood sugar levels.
00:33:03
So diabetics would benefit.
00:33:05
This so yeah, there's a lot of a lot of perks for this one.
00:33:10
All that in a mushroom, I think.
00:33:11
Also for the listening audience we talked about it with the mitaki, which is kind of akin in a sense that you know grows off of wood an you know similar environment as the chicken of the Woods.
00:33:25
It has very SIM.
00:33:26
Or cultivating techniques.
00:33:29
So for example, when I read about how to cultivate the chicken of the Woods or Ladipo Rasole, furious if I want to get fancy, you basically take a piece of Oak, preferably Oak.
00:33:29
We
00:33:36
OK.
00:33:40
Some of the other types of would they say produces some ill effects for your stomach can make you a little bit.
00:33:47
Queasy so if you stick with Oak, it's a more proven way to get edible non toxic.
00:33:56
Trips to OK.
00:33:58
Take the Oak you take plugs.
00:34:00
These little wooden plugs that are soaked with.
00:34:04
I believe it is the lot of forest so furious spawn on the what is it?
00:34:10
Liquid culture or potentially I'm not exactly sure but you take these and you stick them inside the wood.
00:34:18
See drill holes.
00:34:18
And they look like, but they look like Tylenol capsules, right?
00:34:22
There you go.
00:34:22
If you're thinking of a size, they look.
00:34:24
Like like capsule that you would take a vitamin or something so they're about that size that you then plug you look what drill a hole.
00:34:32
Drill a hole.
00:34:34
Plug in the.
00:34:35
Plug that contains the basis for the mushroom and then you see all the wood with beeswax to just kind of sealing all the whole seal of the spawn.
00:34:37
Uh huh.
00:34:45
And I believe there's a preparatory Step 2 where you need to sterilize the log, so preferably in a pressure cooker or something.
00:34:53
You can sterilize that log.
00:34:54
Try to kill any bacteria.
00:34:56
Yeah, and you know it makes sense that you you say beeswax because honey and beeswax it has anti microbial effects so so like honey never expires.
00:35:04
So I've been shut down.
00:35:09
I don't know if you ever notice that.
00:35:11
I mean it can crystallize but honey never expires and like mold.
00:35:16
And stuff don't grow on honey because you know the bees, you know.
00:35:17
Ah.
00:35:20
It is the nectar of the gods, truly the nectar of the gods.
00:35:23
Yeah.
00:35:24
I mean save the bees.
00:35:26
Say hashtag save the bees.
00:35:26
I had save the bees are will to discuss that in more depth another time, right?
00:35:31
Yes.
00:35:32
So what else do you have for the the chicken of.
00:35:35
Words and so.
00:35:37
Let's see here, yeah.
00:35:37
Oh, by the way, to to to finish off the cultivation, you have to Bury those logs once they are sealed, and then seasonally they'll yield.
00:35:46
I don't know first hand how much of the chicken of the Woods, but they yield mushrooms from the log.
00:35:52
OK, and it takes awhile before they first sprouts over here.
00:35:55
I think they said a year a year and a half and then you'll have annual seasonal flushes of that mushroom.
00:36:01
Yes, that's like the the holistic route, whereas the Amazon route I mentioned earlier.
00:36:07
I'm not sure if that's a little different a little bit more speed up, but it had a lot of great reviews.
00:36:13
5 star reviews of people you know having success growing these items.
00:36:19
So yeah, so.
00:36:20
You can take these in pill form if you wanted to, you know ingest them that way.
00:36:27
If you want the medicinal effects, the.
00:36:29
Medicinal effects, yeah.
00:36:31
'cause you can.
00:36:32
Yeah you can come and enjoy the saver, yeah.
00:36:34
Facts, but just really reaping the benefits from the mushrooms you can get from that from pill form, but I will say, and I'm studying this right now, is, you know, the benefits that you get from ingesting food versus ingesting the.
00:36:54
Particular nutrient in pill form is just much better used by your body when it's partnered with food.
00:37:01
The pathways as it enters your body an breaks down and the enzymes it just.
00:37:08
Just.
00:37:09
You can take equal amounts of fiber.
00:37:11
Let's just say this you take equal amounts of fiber in food form an in powder form, but your body is going to absorb in use most of the food form where the other one.
00:37:22
You can just pass through so everyone out there.
00:37:23
Wow.
00:37:26
That's like I'm just going to take a bunch of supplements and think that that's.
00:37:29
How I'm going to be live optimally and live healthy like healthy.
00:37:34
Try first and foremost to get it in food form and then you can always supplement from there, yeah?
00:37:39
Well, they say also with a lot of fruits and vegetables.
00:37:42
Lot of the nutrients live in the extremities, right?
00:37:46
The kind of the outer pieces of it.
00:37:48
So especially if something tastes like chicken, why wouldn't you want to devour every aspect of it?
00:37:52
Yeah, it's just that it's it's readily available, I suppose.
00:37:55
Right, I guess like like reshi, that one is more often found in some sort of extract or ground form.
00:38:02
Oh, 'cause there that was hard that stuff.
00:38:04
Yeah, we discussed that a few episodes ago.
00:38:06
Yeah.
00:38:07
That one is a little bit, I think that's more inedible, and it has.
00:38:10
To be taken in tease if I'm not mistaken or in broad.
00:38:14
Form for shizzle?
00:38:15
The assets chicken of the Woods and you wanted to briefly mention what fried chicken of the Woods.
00:38:21
Ooh yeah I
00:38:23
Don't have this pulled up in front of me, but I just wanted to quickly mention there's a fried chicken mushroom that's what it's called, but it supposedly has a radish like taste, and if you're like me, anything that has a radish like taste is not edible in my opinion.
00:38:23
Yeah.
00:38:38
I'm not a radish guy.
00:38:40
It doesn't exist in my salad by choice.
00:38:43
If somebody puts into my salad not as bad as an anchovy, but dear God, not good so.
00:38:49
Yeah, in just a comment.
00:38:50
On that it's also known as chicken of the road.
00:38:56
Roadkill, which is roadkill of the Woods.
00:38:58
Inedible species of mushrooms that grows in clusters on disturbed ground, often near man made roads such as gravel with a faintly radish like taste.
00:39:10
2.
00:39:10
So this literally grows on the side of the road like roadkill.
00:39:14
Yeah, so if you want to eat radish tasting roadkill mushrooms then have added with the fried chicken mushroom I.
00:39:21
Wonder if you fry it if it will.
00:39:23
I mean she fry anything and it's good.
00:39:25
I think somebody just named it frivolously.
00:39:28
Yeah problem.
00:39:28
You know how dare you give anything in name fried chicken unless it has some similarity to fried chicken in some way shape or form?
00:39:34
Agreed.
00:39:36
Alright, well, I feel educated.
00:39:38
I feel enriched via that conversation.
00:39:40
Jill, thanks for giving us all the scoop on the letter for ESL Furious.
00:39:45
I'm pretty proud of myself that I've pronounced it like three times in a row without ******* it up.
00:39:47
Yeah.
00:39:49
Hopefully that's correct.
00:39:51
Yeah.
00:39:53
Yeah, thanks for being here.
00:39:54
We'll do this again next time, but I love you and you're awesome.
00:39:58
Thank you you too.
00:40:00
Bye bye.
00:40:01
I do want to provide a.
00:40:02
You know we do a lot of mycology stuff on here.
00:40:05
We talk about mushroom cultivation and I wanted to give the listening audience an update on one of the experiments.
00:40:07
Yeah.
00:40:10
I was trying so ***** envy, which I told you about.
00:40:13
I love.
00:40:14
I love the fact that that's like the most potent strain of mushroom that I've come across.
00:40:18
Millimeter.
00:40:18
***** envy is supposedly.
00:40:20
Like three to five times more potent than the normal strains of psilocybin?
00:40:26
Yeah, so I've been trying to cultivate that in different ways.
00:40:29
Just you know, if I can make you know X amount of ***** envy versus X amount of gold and teach or whatever.
00:40:37
But the ***** envy is more potent.
00:40:39
I'm going to steer in that direction, at least for my experiments.
00:40:41
But the way it grows once the mycelium the white cake is formed and whatever where there's a bag or container.
00:40:50
It really doesn't do much for awhile and then these little Brown clumps of what looked to be dirt pop up out of the white mycelium.
00:40:59
An it freaks you out.
00:41:00
I'm like I don't even know if you want to get one I'll I'll show it to you.
00:41:04
I'm gonna go grab him, OK, little scores.
00:41:04
Yeah, go grab it, I'll talk about it.
00:41:06
So if you look over against the wall over there there's like.
00:41:10
Of four bags that are standing up with a clear white bent over top of it.
00:41:15
Because.
00:41:15
Grab the one on there that says ***** envy.
00:41:17
OK.
00:41:17
00:41:17
OK, yeah, so while you're grabbing that, it sprouts these little Brown clusters.
00:41:23
If they look like dirt, I've thought maybe my batch was contaminated the first time I did it, but it seems to be consistent because every experiment I've done with ***** envy these little Brown things pop up now.
00:41:34
Also, it had like a like a cheesy kind of overlay on top of the mycelium.
00:41:39
Just some very weird stuff that you don't see with other strains, so here's the bag and I can kind of.
00:41:44
Describe it, see that Brown stuff in there shone like.
00:41:47
See like little Brown clumps that are growing on top of the mycelium on the bag.
00:41:53
Yeah, kind of, almost syrupy.
00:41:53
Yeah.
00:41:53
00:41:55
Yeah, I mean there it's kind of like a soil construct, but no other strain has done that for me like they all just go from white mycelium to some sort of mushroom, but this is like the a pre lubed to whatever's coming next.
00:42:10
They look a little bit waxy, almost like.
00:42:12
OK.
00:42:12
OK.
00:42:12
Kind of not necessarily consistent with the the texture of the rest of that surface.
00:42:19
Yeah, but I yeah I I don't know.
00:42:22
I mean it's all new to me.
00:42:23
Yeah.
00:42:23
00:42:23
Yeah and.
00:42:25
Well, it's it's not new to me except for this like no other strain does this.
00:42:29
I don't know what this is.
00:42:30
I don't have the science behind it, so I'm going to have to do some research to figure out where that Brown stuff is and how it plays into the growth of.
00:42:37
This super awesome strain of mushrooms. Yeah cool thing about ***** envy is there's uncut ***** envy, albo, albino ***** envy. So there's plenty of strain variations to play with. But right now this one's been super fun.
00:42:39
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:39
00:42:41
Yeah.
00:42:50
Yeah, you having fun playing with your ***** playing.
00:42:53
With my ***** and that's a it's a good time to start winding down.
00:42:53
I mean.
00:42:57
OK.
00:42:59
But yeah, so on on the future podcast I'm gonna give you guys updates on what this means.
00:43:03
The growth rate of peanuts and be super slow too.
00:43:06
So the juice is fully worth the squeeze.
00:43:06
Oh, really.
00:43:06
00:43:08
Death.
00:43:08
00:43:10
But it takes a long as time to squeeze a little messy too.
00:43:12
Yeah.
00:43:14
Yeah.
00:43:14
Well, as long as you're having fun while you're.
00:43:14
Sure.
00:43:16
Doing it exactly man, I mean this is educational.
00:43:19
It's fun.
00:43:20
Therapy is amazing, you know, so I can't complain at all.
00:43:23
Yeah.
00:43:23
Plus I get to have cool people like you here to talk about fun **** and mushrooms.
00:43:26
Yeah.
00:43:27
And dude, thank you so much for entering the MUstaSH ROOM.
00:43:31
Being part of the podcast, What Do you think?
00:43:33
I think.
00:43:33
00:43:34
I think it's great man.
00:43:34
I think, and I got to to get that the main message across of breathwork and yoga as the thing that I just think can help anybody so.
00:43:40
Yeah.
00:43:44
Yeah, I'm just the more I can spread that message, the better.
00:43:48
So thank you for giving me the opportunity.
00:43:49
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
00:43:49
To do that?
00:43:50
Check Sean out.
00:43:51
Black Swan yoga Denver.
00:43:53
What's the handle that you use?
00:43:56
So yeah, you can follow Black Swan Denver on Instagram.
00:44:01
It's at Black Swan yoga, Denver, OK, and then you can follow me on Instagram if you like it's breath dot Daddy.
00:44:07
Breath dot daddy.
00:44:08
That's right.
00:44:09
And on that note, we have a website out now mustashroom.com any spelling variation that you use. It will take you to the same place. I have transcripts. I'm starting to publish more content to coincide with the podcast episodes on the website, so definitely check us out there. I will have the social media at MUstaSH ROOM up soon.
00:44:30
I really appreciate everybody being here.
00:44:32
Sean.
00:44:33
Thank you so much.
00:44:34
Thank you David.
00:44:34
We will do this again.
00:44:36
Alright see you.