Episode 11 - Lemon Tek & The Johns Hopkins Psilocybin Playlist
Transcript (transcribed programmatically - for all spelling/grammatical errors, blame the robots)
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Welcome back to the MUstaSH ROOM.
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I am your host David Ben and I'm really excited about this episode.
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We have a good friend of mine, Dan from when I lived in Tampa.
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I met him in Ohio.
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We kind of migrated down South together and then I came out here to.
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Denver anyway, I love this guy.
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He's very well versed in the area of psychedelics and mental, spiritual improvement.
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And so I thought it was really cool guest to have on and I think you'll really enjoy the conversation we had.
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We talk about Lemon tech, walk through the process, pros and cons.
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We familiarize you with the term.
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Titan try to spell that, good luck.
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We also talk about the Johns Hopkins psilocybin playlist.
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An why that was developed, what it's comprised of, and what it's designed to do.
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Also, good friend Sean, who is on the previous episode, Hops back on to do his integration, talk about his experience.
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He took a heroic dose and really has some positive reflections.
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So I think you guys are going to enjoy this.
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No segment from wifey Jill. Check us out at MUstaSHroom.com. Our sponsor is MUstaSH brands. MUSTASH is how we spell it enjoy.
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We did a podcast together back in the day in Florida in Tampa.
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Yes.
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Yes, the the fry.
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And here you are kind of like you were in Tama where the the original guess you guys are on all the time and that was awesome man.
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Yes.
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I mean those are really mixed martial arts too and it was still kind of gaining momentum.
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Yeah.
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Yes, it was good times good.
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Yeah.
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Times when we had more hair.
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I don't know about you.
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Only picture.
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But I think I think mine was pretty much gone by then.
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It ran away.
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Yeah, I mean both of us Father time.
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Yeah, it's double damage to our to our heads, but I think we've done the best with it you made.
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The most difficult.
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I actually prefer it better now 'cause it's so much less maintenance and like less worry.
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How your hair is going to look in the morning and all that other **** so and being so being self conscious about it and everything so.
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And when you just.
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When you just.
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Yeah, I think also you know the haircuts are easy, just everything is easy.
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The wind doesn't scare me anymore.
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You know everything is in place like you're, you're almost bulletproof, yeah?
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Yeah, except for the sun, I mean.
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Got it even I mean.
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Well, I mean for the bucket, had his foreman, have you adopted the bucket at the full 360 degree coverage?
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No, I haven't gone that far old man.
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Bucket Hat is a bald man's best friend, so bucket.
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I've seen you.
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I've seen you supporting that on some of your hiking photos, so.
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Yeah, I mean well, I you know I've.
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Been bothered a.
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Little bit longer than you have, I mean, so you know I figured it out a little bit earlier on.
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But yeah, once you discover the Buckethead I.
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Mean there's no turning back.
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So yeah, the podcast we did for the listeners mixed martial arts comedy just kind of like, you know, just shooting the **** and I had 100 episodes before I called it quits before I moved to Denver, so it was a milestone.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Let's hope that this one goes a lot further so.
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Yeah.
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Yeah man, I mean you know, as long as the interest is there and like I was telling you earlier and the whole central theme of the podcast is.
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Mushroom cultivation mushroom consumption.
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Psychedelics physical personal mental Wellness and so my friend Sean, who's like a breathing expert yoga instructor.
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Yeah.
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He does on the previous episode to talk about all the Tropic breathing breathwork your boy women half.
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OK.
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Yes.
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Is that how you?
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Pronounce it yeah when half yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's talking about him and like some of his accomplishments and read patterns and that kind of stuff.
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But that's just kind of plays into the overall theme, and I know you you've been a big proponent of like.
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You know mental Wellness, spirituality?
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I see you know a lot of stuff on Instagram.
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You seem to have done a lot of exploration exploration in that space.
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And so I wanted to bring you on and I want to get your thoughts on.
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Yeah, lots of exploring.
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Not so much now.
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Try, since my lash mushroom experience has been, I would say like two years ago. But in my earlier years heavily, I would say I've probably done 200 plus.
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Explorations, so with yeah with mushrooms and other psychedelics, yeah.
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Oh **** it was.
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OK, what would you say is your your favorite?
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Would you?
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My favorite was masculine. More mescaline. Oh, I don't know which, how you pronounce it, but yes, peyote E basically, so I guess you could say synthetic former peyote E. So we used to go to this place in Ohio is called Nelson's ledges. Hell yeah, yeah yeah. And that's where I got it from some hippie dudes that were in a trailer.
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So payote.
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Yeah, it's in there.
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It's in there.
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And they were there like every weekend.
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So I would go there and pick up a few like give it to my friends and experience it myself so.
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Yeah, and how long did you?
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How long did the trips last for you?
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Unless.
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I I would say about 8.
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To 10 hours depending on the dosage amount.
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Yeah, that's what I heard.
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It lasts a little bit longer.
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Yeah, the visuals in the the.
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The psychological aspect.
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It was like that.
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That's what I really enjoyed, not so much like a body stuff body, I guess said body higher or anything like that that you get from like LSD or anything.
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Yeah so but yeah the the mescalin.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, very intense visuals and I guess you could say like.
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Just a psychological aspect of it so.
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Yeah, I think the thing about Peyote E mescalin, and that's not legal here.
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Yeah.
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I think that's legal in Oregon 'cause they just don't give a ****
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They don't care about anything, right, but other.
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Than Oregon, like the rest of the country, peyote E Mescalin still not legal.
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You can order from Thailand.
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Other places you can order seeds and plants if you want, but you can't buy them LOL.
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One yeah.
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Play unless I heard Home Depot's around the country that are not Privy to San Pedro being used ceremony.
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And most of the sell it.
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They'll sell stocks to San.
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Pedro, so I guess if you run into one of those by chance, yeah, eBay has them available.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, traditional means you can't really buy and use, and I don't know how I would feel about like getting it from Home Depot and then experimenting from that aspect.
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Yeah.
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You know, 'cause my my asup.
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You fight in the Big orange bucket.
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Yeah yeah, my ash would just end up like.
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Taking the half the damn thing and like I'm gone for three days, right? 'cause there's no $500 plants at Home Depot, so you could buy several anything.
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How?
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Yeah, I think that that's one that's a little bit more mysterious to you.
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Know there are a lot of people that have recounts of their psychedelic experiences with psilocybin or LSD.
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Yeah.
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But the peyote E seems to be a little bit more of an outlier.
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Not that it's bad, or people have bad trips on it, but it just seems to be a little bit less readily available.
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Yeah.
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From
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That's yeah, yeah.
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Specially I mean, I mean I, I guess I was lucky just to come across those people 'cause they traveled.
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I mean at least these guys.
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I remember that they traveled around but they would during certain parts of I guess the summer they would just happen to camp at Nelsons Ledges for several weeks or a month.
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Or.
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Whatever it was so.
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OK man, well you struck gold by Frank.
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Yeah, two of my favorite pictures you probably seen him when you've been over to my place.
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There are two really abstract pieces of art where they're just interwoven naked images and crazy.
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Yeah.
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Check those, I got it Nelson ledges in 99, right.
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OK, yeah, I think we talked about that in the past, yeah?
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Yeah, I just moved to Warren, OH from Saint Petersburg, Tampa, FL, yeah and then eventually moved back.
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But that was one of the first things that I did.
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Was went to one of the hippie fest.
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At Nelson Ledges yes, good times and lots of lots of crazy times.
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Lots of good times.
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Absolutely man.
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Yeah.
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Very cool blast from the past.
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Their house a legend.
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OK, I I I, I don't necessarily have like firm agendas for the podcast, but there are a couple of things that I wanted to to bring up that are relevant that I want to get your thoughts on first thing.
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For the.
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This is a little off topic we moved into and I can't wait for you to see our place in Denver, but we moved to a new town home.
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It's over in in the Denver area and right behind us.
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OK.
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There's kind of like a vacant.
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Few bacon lots that are adjacent to each other and then like a street that's just not really used all that much.
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Yeah, in a home homeless encampment formed on this street and.
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Almost again.
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Oh wow.
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Well.
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And yeah, lots of tabs.
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To make things like Skid Row in US.
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Well, I call it Skid Row Lafayette 'cause that's the name of the name of the street.
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And so it's bad band.
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Somebody **** on the side of my garage and I just cleaned it up.
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Right?
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There's like urine and fecal matter and people leaving like all their personal belongings in the alley behind my house.
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At any given time, you can see like somebody getting assaulted inside of one of the tents over there in this homeless encampment, there's needles and propane tank.
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Oh my God.
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It's just a ******* disaster, right?
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This is something of a movie, yeah?
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And I mean, you know me, I'm not a heartless individual, I'm not.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, I don't like to trivialize the human life.
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And yeah, I don't want to be apathetic to that.
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But at the same time.
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I'm.
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You like, come on.
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Yeah, I'm about to have a baby girl and safety and health and these factors.
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There's no way to control or know that.
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There's not like a sex offender living in.
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That home yeah exactly.
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Yeah.
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So we've the neighborhood, and I we've tried to take the appropriate means to address this issue.
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Yeah, first and foremost, clean it up so it's not as disgusting and you can walk down the street.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And but also make sure that let me try to get these people help an ultimately get them away from my neighborhood.
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That sounds really cold, but I just need to be somewhere else, yeah?
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Yeah, so it's.
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It's been cool we got we got a walk through with the police officer I showed him the feces.
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I showed him the urine.
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I showed him like all the trash.
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I told him my stories and they said March 9th they're going to move the encampment.
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And so I feel like how did.
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So how do we go about?
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You go about moving that like that's.
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Well, here's something that I found that one of my neighbors sent. There's some housing being built here that is going to have 98, does it say?
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75 beds medical services is like a $4 million project here in downtown Denver. I don't know when they're going to break ground on it, but this is hopefully the long term solution. You know. If they replicate this model elsewhere, they'll have some permanent fixture where these people can get help. But yeah, the planning process is relocating them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Relocating their belongings because they.
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Eventually, yeah, forwarding is still their belongings and then trying to get them some sort of rehabilitation if they're on drugs.
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Yeah.
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Permanent housing.
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Employment, whatever they can do, but a lot of these people are what they call service resistant, so they'll try to get them help.
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Yeah.
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And they'd much rather be on the streets, and yeah.
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Doing what they're doing exactly right, hey?
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My turn.
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What when I talk about drugs?
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You know, I'm talking about the Mets.
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You know the heroines getting the cracks that that that category, not the.
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Harley, yeah yeah they're not just sat.
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There smoking blunts and drink.
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In cities.
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Right not the quote unquote drugs that somehow got lost and found themselves in the Schedule One category.
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Yeah, yeah, I know.
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It just has no business being.
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So yeah, cannabis and psychedelics entheogens those don't count.
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Yeah, yeah, especially kind of scary when you're finding needles on the ground and all that stuff so.
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Dude I know man so again I want to help them and if there was a direct path to hey let me walk you over to the clinic over the Yellow Brick Rd and here we go but it doesn't.
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Yeah.
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Exists like that so?
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Yeah.
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I'm not spraying a fire hose on their encampment during the winter or setting ablaze to their propane tanks or anything like that, but hopefully.
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Yeah yeah, when you do.
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That you're doing the right thing?
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I mean, you're trying to go to the right.
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Path with it.
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So yeah, lot of tweeting a lot of video documentary documentation to show.
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Let him up against.
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But yeah, still trying to be diplomatic as much as possible.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I I don't know how it feel with the shooting next to my house like.
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And it.
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Well, not like I can can just take you know, a pressure washer.
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It's out on the backside of my house, back side of my garage, no hoes or anything is going to reach out there so I had to take my ******* with some gloves and essentially everything I could find to cover myself up with and scrape the **** off the side of the wall with like a paper plate.
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Oh
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Oh
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It was the most humiliating and.
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I can't even describe how awful that experience was perpetrated.
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Yeah.
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So not not just **** on.
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The homeless people, no pun intended, actually pun intended, but, but hopefully they get the treatment they didn't. They need. With this $4 million project you had not in close proximity to my residence.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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In the meantime, something I did when I lived in Palm Harbor.
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We used to have these crane.
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But I know this was white Florida Crane looking boy.
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Birds on with this fall.
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Birds on.
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Oh yeah, but they used to come and we had a pond in our front yard and eat all the damn fish so they have a motion sensor like water hosting that sprays high pressured water.
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So his motion sensored and it would spray him to get him off your lawn.
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Wow.
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So maybe that would be terrible.
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Sad.
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Well, you know what I mean.
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Sometimes you have to resort to extreme measures and.
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I mean The funny thing there.
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I mean, it's just a lot, but.
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Right, it depends on the season, but it.
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Was Palm Harbor, so it's never too cold?
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That's not cool.
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Yeah.
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I put that in the semich rule OK.
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OK.
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Category, so let's let's let's move past the homeless issue.
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I'll provide the listening audience an update after March 9th.
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I'll have a glass of Scac celebrating their move forward to get help and move away from my home.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, not a bad person.
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I know it sounds bad.
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That's where I'm at.
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Alright, so couple.
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We're gonna have to.
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You're gonna have to be dealing with a lot of **** when you have a baby.
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That's all I gotta say.
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Dude on so many levels, yes, we're doing it in June, so you've got you've got.
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Have any kids now too?
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There are seven and eight.
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The experience is different for each kid, and I mean you're doing some similar things.
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Of course, changing diapers things like that, but yeah, behavior wise an I guess the parenting style is a little bit different for just that.
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On how the kid responds to it.
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So yeah, I mean, but no one has a clue like your parents didn't have a clue, right?
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Mind like you realize that as you like as you through the years of doing it like you like, don't have a ******* clue.
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They're just doing the best they could.
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Right, and at first you're probably hyperventilating and freaking out, but overtime you relax a little bit.
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Oh yeah.
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Start to get in the swing of things.
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Yeah yeah, I have like all these books everybody is giving me baby books.
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OK.
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Little do they know I don't like to read like if you gave me an automatic credit.
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Yeah, but I remember you don't like to.
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Read you like.
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Yeah she gave me an audible credit or like should maybe some pop up books or something that's more my love.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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But I get all these books and I've read one of them iteratively with my wife, like as the weeks progressed, like here we are in Week 24 or whatever, but the other ones haven't broken a seam. So I've got some work to do, no offense.
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Facebook.
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Just put him in the bathroom.
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Just put him in the bathroom like you get.
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Well, the phone has ruined bathroom reading right?
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The Pony bowling is so much easier, so much less work than reading.
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Yes.
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Yes, but anyway so I have some good books.
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I will read them, but I'm WAVY.
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But yeah, I can't wait to to pick your brain about Father Hood.
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And you know paternal stuff.
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'cause I you're one of your like.
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One of my friends that I know has like a really good heart.
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Like I know you're just a good person and so those people.
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Oh
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I always look to, you know when I need like any sort of coaching and life experience that they have that I don't so.
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I definitely will pick your brain 'cause I think you're a a good a good mentor in that.
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Yeah.
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Space well thanks man yeah.
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Don't get a big head.
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I mean, that's just just what is happening.
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Set up.
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I don't know how much help will.
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Be, but I try to guide you as possible.
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Yes.
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So I wanted to ask you, man, one of the things that I thought was really cool that I've been learning about with psychedelics consuming mushrooms is how to prep them and get like the most bang for your Buck.
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OK.
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Do you have like did was there a certain process that you followed when you consume them to try to maximize the overall experience?
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Well, I think I've gone the traditional routes where like you just eat em raw when chugging down with some water.
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Right?
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I've done the whole put him in a peanut butter sandwich eating like that, but my last experience what I did I brewed them like a tea.
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Right?
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And then I pulverized it.
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And then, like I strained it, and then I took the soft mushrooms.
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And then, like I pureed it almost like in a food processor.
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And then I seeped it in hot water and then consumed it that way.
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So I drank.
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Also, I drank it.
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And then after.
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Also.
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Consumed the soft, I guess a mush of it.
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Of it.
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I was that it was probably the most intense mushroom experience that I had.
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Like me and my friend did it here at my place.
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In course we went put on some Pink Floyd 'cause I haven't listened to him forever.
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We went to go see the wall light show.
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Right?
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OK, we were on some mushrooms and this is important you got pregnant?
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Oh yeah, I had to passive.
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Yeah Pink Floyd the wall.
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I'm not a big Pink Floyd fan but in that context in that headspace Yakima Fair.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that that's what turns you into a fan, and when you experience some like that but we were listening to.
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It was just a compilation of the wall and some of their other their music.
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But yeah, me and my friend, we did that and we both had similar visuals.
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Even like we both had our eyes closed but we were seeing the same exact.
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Thing so after we like kind of discussed like what we're seeing, like after we kind of came down from the trip, he saw this hitting the sack thing Zac.
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Things that I was saying, which was kind of kind of weird so I called it like the pulse of life and he referred to it in a similar manner so.
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Yeah, but it was.
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You have the music man.
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It's it's amazing how.
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The sensory is, you know, get.
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They all get engaged in the music kind of acts as a an impetus for all that stuff to come together.
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Oh yeah, yeah, it is weird.
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Oh yeah, it's over.
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Whole thing.
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Whole thing, and especially with you know the the melody of Pink Floyd and you know the lyrics and stuff like that.
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But yeah it was it was it was pretty cool so.
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Yeah, the the reason I ask is 'cause my my buddy Felix who he's been on the podcast.
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Uh, we trained you just sit together and he said that his wife gets.
00:19:04
OK.
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She gets nausea, she she gets nauseous when she takes mushrooms and so you know she's apprehensive and whatnot.
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And so I've been reading about how.
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Different methods to try to consume mushrooms to alleviate some of the nausha activate more quickly, blah blah blah, and it seems like the best method an my friend Patrick and Felix have both alluded to.
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And yeah.
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Yeah.
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This is what they call the Lemon Tek an so with lemon tek I'll just bring up this article here and you can let me share this with you.
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OK.
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Sure.
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From an IT guy can't ******* figure out.
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Zoom here.
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I just paste it in the chat there.
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Yeah you do that let you bring it up separately.
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And at listening audience my new podcast videos can be booked, so I apologize for any of the minor inconveniences along the way.
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Sorry.
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So yeah, this is a double blind mag.
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I'll put this in the show notes on the MUstaSH ROOM website.
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Mydoubleblindmag.com
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They have an article called How to Lemon Tek a complete guide for Mushroom People.
00:20:15
An essentially what happens with the mushrooms is when you consume the mushroom.
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It has, like this exo skeleton that is actually similar to.
00:20:25
Ants, and there's more details in this article, but it's this exo skeleton is made of chitin and chitin takes awhile, tightness spelled CHITIN. It takes awhile breakdown, so that's why when you consume the mushrooms without doing T or something like we just talked about it takes awhile for the acid in your stomach to breakthrough this type.
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OK.
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Me.
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The outer shell of the mushroom in action.
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Right?
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Extract bacillus and which is the active ingredient in the soul assignment.
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So what this lemon tech does is you take the acid from either a lemon or a lime they both have.
00:21:01
Similar pH levels city levels as this.
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As the stomach is the stomach acid, you basically take your your mushrooms.
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You grind him up, trap him up.
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After they're completely dry, bone dry.
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Put him in your lemon juice or lime juice and let him sit for like 15 minutes.
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An it extensively and there's not a lot of science around.
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This is a lot of its rhetoric.
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Again, I don't like it extensively turns the psilocybin into psilocin, which is the active entheogen ingredient that interacts with the serotonin in your brain and gets to the point more quickly.
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So you invoke the experience more quickly.
00:21:39
It supposedly hits you like a ton of bricks right off the bat an all the.
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That's right.
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The.
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The effort that your body normally has to put forth to break down all the chiton and do all that stuff in your stomach.
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It doesn't have to do that.
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So supposedly the comedown is a little bit less.
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Three, OK.
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3.
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OK, so this lemon tech is a great way to kind of mitigate some of that potential nozza nausea by trying to break down the kite, and some people don't have the enzyme that allows you to even break that down at all, so if that's the case you know kind of have to take this route.
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Some people
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And you don't even have to consume the mushrooms.
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You could just consume the extract you wanted to not have the pulp or whatever the you know the mushroom substances, so this article pretty cool.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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This article is private.
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Is private.
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I've tried it with lemon and honey so my friend Felix we did a very similar process, but instead of just doing lemon juice.
00:22:28
OK.
00:22:32
We use lemon juice and honey and we waited about 30 minutes for it to fully breakdown and I do remember it hit me pretty quick.
00:22:40
Yeah.
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I can't say I didn't do like a full integration like take notes and stuff.
00:22:46
So yeah, some of it's kind of fuzzy, but I do remember it being invoked a little bit more quickly than like when I ate it with some peanut butter or some.
00:22:52
Yeah yeah yeah.
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Well a lot of like I mean plants and mushrooms.
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They all have like a protective coating on it because it's it's just there like for protection so 'cause animals are going to eat it.
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Things like that but a lot of humans that's why.
00:23:08
Yeah.
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They eat certain amount of like greens or you know certain like say vegetarian that eats a lot of like greens and mushrooms.
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Things like that.
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Sometimes they end up with digestive problems over the long period because their gut isn't able to breakdown that the the protective layers.
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Any beans have it?
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You know Kale has it.
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I mean even any type of green has it and specially mushrooms so.
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Yeah, so it might not be Titan technically, but it's a similar like Exo skeleton.
00:23:42
Yeah, yeah, it's just a protective layer from.
00:23:42
Yeah yeah, OK.
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00:23:44
Bugs from you know, animals that are eating it so.
00:23:48
Eric, Oh yeah, so I didn't know, you know, I never got any nausea but I always do a little bit of fasting before I take my mushrooms an I guess I have a pretty hard and stomach like I'll take all my vitamins on an empty stomach.
00:23:56
Yeah, same thing.
00:24:00
Got it.
00:24:01
Yeah, you're like after this stuff I've eaten.
00:24:03
In my life.
00:24:03
This is not yeah yeah.
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I mean, short of poo, I've been pretty much everything out here.
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So yeah, it's cool to know what it is that might cause some discomfort in your stomach and how to mitigate that.
00:24:17
So this lemon tech definitely look it up.
00:24:20
A lot of people that are apprehensive because they've heard of people shooting themselves or puking or whatever with psychedelics.
00:24:26
Yeah, this can help.
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Maybe bridge that gap.
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Maybe more softly.
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Coach them into the.
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He says without the threat of them having no violent vomiting or whatever I.
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Will have to try that next next time.
00:24:40
So yeah, yes.
00:24:41
I thought that was pretty neat and you know there are some articles out there that talk about why people get sick and most of them point to this Titan molecule.
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Image.
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00:24:49
There are other, you know.
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People talk about things that might be bad in the mushroom, definitely not.
00:24:54
Eating your mushrooms raw because then they'll you know have a much more higher content of Titan an you know potential bacteria and other things, yeah.
00:24:56
Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:25:03
00:25:04
Yeah, yeah, but I notice like when I boil like it wasn't like borrowed it, but I like seeped it in like a lower heat but I kind of did similar.
00:25:13
I added a little bit of lemon and honey with that kind of just give it some not like the actual taste.
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Try to cover it up a little bit.
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But as it is, but to discuss.
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I mean, nobody has ever said fat.
00:25:23
Yeah yeah, yeah.
00:25:24
Psilocybin mushroom taste.
00:25:26
You know ezik?
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Even bugs you covered with chocolate and it's taste good.
00:25:31
You cannot do that with the psilocybin mushroom.
00:25:33
That is, is is irrefutable.
00:25:36
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:38
But we've been making chocolates Jill and I.
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We made chocolate with toffee bits, yeah, and they taste really, really good.
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So and I said you'll have to try that recipe.
00:25:45
OK.
00:25:47
My fiance has a suggestion was that let's hear it heated up and put it into capsules.
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Grind it up into putting the.
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Gel capsules with like a Cup.
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The grinder, yeah yeah yeah.
00:26:00
I haven't done that.
00:26:01
I know I have the capsules.
00:26:02
Yeah, empty capsules and I have the coffee grinder but I have not connected A to B.
00:26:08
I I promise it's on the list, but we've gotten to the chocolates and haven't made it to the.
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How are the chocolate so?
00:26:17
Amazing oh they were OK.
00:26:17
00:26:17
Amazing amazing in one batch.
00:26:19
We made one batch where used the coffee grinder to grind it up into like a like a puppy like almost like a Sandy texture and that was terrible to work with because it was just hard to mold the chocolate.
00:26:27
OK.
00:26:27
00:26:33
Yeah, yeah.
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00:26:33
Yeah, fluffed up and create little pockets and stuff, but we started using like one of those little choppers it creates like little almost like you would spices and that that little form factor those little pieces.
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Stop yeah.
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OK.
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OK.
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It worked really well with like chocolate chips that are melted and some toffee bits and then we put it into little molds and let it.
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Freeze and make candy bars.
00:26:55
OK, that sounds like a good that sounds like a good like party appetizer then.
00:26:56
Item.
00:26:59
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:27:00
I mean, you want to eat the whole thing just Willy nilly, but yeah.
00:27:03
Yeah.
00:27:03
00:27:06
Dude, I was able to perform an appendectomy at age 14.
00:27:10
I think I can handle a couple mushrooms.
00:27:13
This is not just a TV show.
00:27:15
Just did you see that Unicorn?
00:27:19
Its horn was so shiny.
00:27:21
Thank you for having me back here.
00:27:23
It's a it's a pleasure to be here and just to be able to share this experience because it was my first time doing that high of a dose.
00:27:30
So I took 5 grams.
00:27:31
Fantastic.
00:27:32
And and and it couldn't have went bad.
00:27:35
It was really a positive experience, so I had like.
00:27:39
I mean if if some people out there are like having apprehensions about doing that sort of thing.
00:27:45
I I had those apprehensions like I've had mushroom experiences in the past that were not pleasant.
00:27:53
And I feel like the key thing was like everybody's told me mindset an and that was the key thing to go in with positive mindset.
00:28:01
And I was.
00:28:01
Yeah, that's the set when people talk about setting setting mindset, yeah?
00:28:04
OK yeah, yeah that that's.
00:28:04
OK, yeah that that's.
00:28:07
Crucial an like I was.
00:28:11
I was talking to different people telling him, you know I'm going to do this and kind of getting my mind ready for it.
00:28:16
And then I was like expecting it to go bad.
00:28:20
Really.
00:28:20
I was expecting a bad trip because a buddy of mine told me that that happened to him but like after the bad trip he.
00:28:27
Just felt amazing and like he had let go of a bunch of.
00:28:31
Well, so I was like I was OK with that because I thought it was going to be therapeutic and but it was more of a of just a really positive experience and I was like OK, this might be bad, but I'm going to do it anyways.
00:28:45
I'm going to learn what I can from it.
00:28:48
An I don't know, I just I I went in there with some trust, some confidence that that I was going to be able to.
00:28:55
Control it.
00:28:55
I love that now that sucks man, that somebody planted a seed that it was going to be a bad experience or that it could potentially be a bad experience.
00:29:03
How?
00:29:04
From so going into it, did you still have that in the back of your mind, or were you able to kind of shed that before you actually went?
00:29:10
Under the knife I had, it was on my mind it was like because it had been bad before, like with smaller doses I had had just, you know, during the pandemic like an you just lose your job and you know not the best time to trip, sure.
00:29:26
So I was apprehensive for that reason and I just after talking to a bunch of people about it and I I kind of was able to.
00:29:36
Just make.
00:29:37
More sense out of those fears and not just let them be these looming over writing forces that kind of derailed my experience.
00:29:47
It was more just I think, like healthy apprehension.
00:29:51
So would you say like because of the confidence you had in the medison?
00:29:55
I mean, based on the conversations based on kind of like your research.
00:29:59
The confidence level you had in taking that sizable amount, or that much psilocybin that was enough to kind of carry you through and combat some of those bad things that could have just overwhelmed you otherwise, yeah.
00:30:12
Yeah totally.
00:30:14
And and then the set the setting like so mindset obviously is crucial and then just the physical setting that you're in.
00:30:14
Every time like that.
00:30:22
That helped me a lot.
00:30:23
So I was just I was at my place.
00:30:25
I was with my buddy, my buddy from jujitsu an.
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And it just I set up the lights.
00:30:35
I set up music on air diffusers so there was a scent in the air and just everything like all my senses were like occupied perfect, you know.
00:30:46
And so I felt like that helped.
00:30:48
Guide the trip.
00:30:49
So that.
00:30:50
And then I I put also this was crucial that I put no expectations as far as like this has to be a good time or like even socializing like I made it clear to my buddy that I I'm just going to sit here like I don't.
00:31:04
I'm going to probably not talk very much.
00:31:06
You know I'm going to be in my own world so.
00:31:09
I like made that commitment to just lay there.
00:31:11
And that's that's absolutely perfect, like when I've had my best expd.
00:31:15
France is it you get into it with just a level of calm and peace that music, an all the senses.
00:31:23
Like you said, it's almost like a flow state that you have to get into for the things to open up like a flower.
00:31:28
Yeah, because if you don't do that.
00:31:30
If this setting you know the setting in the set are almost, there's like a symbiotic relationship between the two.
00:31:35
And I say that a lot.
00:31:36
Without one, you really can't.
00:31:38
The other one doesn't do it, do dilige.
00:31:41
So by creating that setting with all the senses in motion and creating that flow state, that's when your mind really get cities settles down and things just start to pop up.
00:31:51
So I think that level of preparation is absolutely essential.
00:31:55
I want to ask you about your diet though, like what did you do like when did you take the dose and what did you?
00:32:01
Do diet wise or preparation wise leading up to that experience.
00:32:05
Yeah yeah, that was also a primary consideration, so I fasted.
00:32:11
Well I.
00:32:13
I ended up having to do massage so I had to work and I I wasn't like able to do it as earlier, so I ate an Apple with peanut butter just that morning and then like I tripped a few hours later so I don't feel like that was affected it, you know?
00:32:22
OK.
00:32:29
But that's a healthy.
00:32:30
I mean, you don't want to eat a big steak and potato.
00:32:33
You like you want something that's fairly healthy organic.
00:32:35
You know something that's not going to torment your system.
00:32:38
Yeah.
00:32:38
00:32:38
Yeah, so fruits, vegetables?
00:32:40
Yeah, those are definitely.
00:32:41
But I I personally like fast completely the way I do it now.
00:32:46
Like when I really want to get into it, but I have to say, even when I don't do that, the experience is about.
00:32:51
About the same so.
00:32:51
00:32:51
The same do you fast the day over.
00:32:51
The same so.
00:32:51
00:32:52
So.
00:32:53
The day before I'll fast the day of OK, yeah, I do.
00:32:57
Intermittent fasting on a pretty regular basis, so I'll have like a 15 hour window where.
00:33:02
I I don't eat yeah and so with that it makes it kind of easy for me to just segue that right into the next day and just keep fasting.
00:33:04
Yeah.
00:33:04
00:33:09
Nice yeah, I know Felix and Patrick are big proponents of the fasting method as.
00:33:13
Well, did you put him in any sort of tea or just eat him raw?
00:33:18
Or like would you do eating wise?
00:33:19
So my buddy I guess hold I'll just Felix.
00:33:22
Yeah we all.
00:33:23
Love feelings he likes to fund the program.
00:33:25
He's going to be a regular so get you get used to his name.
00:33:26
At least.
00:33:26
00:33:27
I know last names just yeah, so he's so he actually made up the little brew or whatever.
00:33:29
Yeah with the 1st.
00:33:29
00:33:29
With the 1st.
00:33:31
OK.
00:33:35
Honey and lemon.
00:33:36
But honey and lemon had to be like I had honey and he's like now we need raw honey.
00:33:37
All right?
00:33:41
So we use the raw honey who.
00:33:42
Did you actually get the bees?
00:33:43
Did he?
00:33:44
Did he go like to a beekeeper and go to that extent?
00:33:46
Or I don't?
00:33:47
I could see Felix going that extra mile.
00:33:48
I possibly he didn't say it if he did, but.
00:33:51
Like bro, you gotta have this this handle only this.
00:33:53
Yeah, all right.
00:33:55
He met the bees.
00:33:57
Bound to the Queen.
00:33:59
Yeah it so it was.
00:34:02
It was important that it was local honey.
00:34:03
Well honey and and then just lemons and.
00:34:09
For the pour that in a mushroom.
00:34:11
So it's like this.
00:34:12
But an and then put that in the fridge for 15 minutes and kind of let it do its thing.
00:34:17
And he explained the process to me a little bit.
00:34:19
I don't know if I remember it quite right, but I think it's it's basically and you were saying this earlier.
00:34:25
Well.
00:34:25
The lemon, the.
00:34:26
Funny thing about is the episode this episode.
00:34:29
I'm basically taking your integration and.
00:34:32
Concatenating it with my dialogue for my buddy Dan.
00:34:35
An in that we discussed the Lemon Tek and how to extract the psilocybin from the psilocybin.
00:34:38
Hi.
00:34:40
So I'll get you that link.
00:34:41
Yes, you'll have to listen to that conversation 'cause it goes over exactly that.
00:34:42
And.
00:34:42
00:34:45
It's an it's a little more in depth, it doesn't.
00:34:47
It doesn't.
00:34:48
Doesn't address the honey.
00:34:49
I think the honey might be just for some taste or consistency, right?
00:34:53
Right?
00:34:53
00:34:53
But the lemon.
00:34:54
The acid matches the pH level.
00:34:57
The acidity level of the lemon or lime.
00:34:59
Those are the two they recommend kind of matches your stomach acidity level so it breaks things down.
00:35:02
Double.
00:35:04
Extracts the psilocybin a little bit more quickly and.
00:35:07
Just kind of get things in motion.
00:35:09
See, that's what I'd like a lot because.
00:35:14
The trip was so positive in the experience, however, that last part of it where like OK, I'm waking up and the world's yeah, so that was I. I feel pretty disoriented and like I don't and it's such a slow process of coming back.
00:35:24
Coming out of it.
00:35:34
You know, it's like I, I just wanted my mind back at that point.
00:35:36
This this is 4 hours of, you know, going into it and laying there.
00:35:41
And I went in and out of different States and by the end of it I was like, OK.
00:35:46
I just want to be able.
00:35:47
To think it's exhausting 3-4 hours of heroic tripping. You know it really Mystic.
00:35:48
I mean.
00:35:48
00:35:51
Yeah.
00:35:51
00:35:52
Experience that's a lot and your body, your mind.
00:35:55
It's over, overall exhausting.
00:35:58
And when I did Ayawaska and I know this is very similar with a lot of other guided entheogen experiences, they recommend you take a few days afterwards to integrate both emotionally, physically, possibly vocally.
00:36:12
If it's you know something you want to do.
00:36:14
Journaling, whatever it is, but allow yourself to.
00:36:17
Kind of.
00:36:18
Wind down from the experience gracefully because there's still residual things and effects still going on in your brain.
00:36:25
It is done like if you ever smoked cannabis like indica after when you're coming down from your mystical experience.
00:36:26
I think it's done.
00:36:33
Sometimes it bumps you back up again.
00:36:35
Sometimes it acts like a booster, just.
00:36:39
You're still going, and you know.
00:36:40
So even though you're not peaking there, you're never in the Valley right away.
00:36:44
You're kind of still winding your way down.
00:36:47
OK, right?
00:36:47
Just always keep that in mind.
00:36:49
So never like plan a huge board meeting or you know first date or something for the next day.
00:36:54
Just 'cause you might not be in your right headspace.
00:36:56
Space, yeah.
00:36:56
00:36:56
Yeah, it's all.
00:36:57
It's all positive and beneficial.
00:36:59
But you just have to know you know what to expect from yourself.
00:37:02
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:05
That
00:37:07
So that's that's good to hear and I'll try smoking next time.
00:37:10
This last time I just drank bourbon.
00:37:13
******* hey.
00:37:14
Like hit me back and I would like to not have to do that.
00:37:18
Yeah you know Johnny Walker.
00:37:18
Yeah, easy there.
00:37:19
Johnny Walker.
00:37:20
No, it's the the if that's.
00:37:23
I don't know.
00:37:24
I don't really drink.
00:37:25
I'm not a big drinker.
00:37:26
You don't have Scotch every so often.
00:37:28
Some Miller high life here and there.
00:37:29
But I, I never really drink with psilocybin.
00:37:32
Because it's kind of hard for me to gauge the effects.
00:37:35
Yeah, the effects kind of get muddied in there, so yeah, for me I can more isolate the cannabis effect and see where it's going as opposed to, you know, drinking some single malt and just kind of how is this?
00:37:47
No clue where this would go.
00:37:48
It was, it was just it was uncomfortable.
00:37:50
It was like disorienting.
00:37:52
It was just like, oh, I'm I'm done, you know.
00:37:56
And so it was.
00:37:57
There was kind of a sharp edge to to that feeling.
00:38:00
I guess, and so the yeah, and that's you know, but I'll definitely try the indica next time.
00:38:06
The next time, yeah.
00:38:06
00:38:07
Yeah, and the indicate does a good job.
00:38:10
You could even try CBD if you're not a cannabis smoker, but something to just kind of take the physical mental edge off.
00:38:16
Yeah, if you're not a regular cannabis smoker, you don't wanna freak yourself out, so like, tread lightly.
00:38:20
Lightly right right?
00:38:22
No exactly you.
00:38:23
You don't want to increase that feeling, but.
00:38:25
Exactly.
00:38:25
00:38:26
You know, Andrew concurs he likes to kind of boost it at a certain point with a little bit of cannabis on the other side of the mountain, yeah?
00:38:31
OK.
00:38:34
No, we were.
00:38:34
We were definitely when we were, you know, tripping hard smoking and like in a.
00:38:40
Enhancing it with that, sure, but I don't know if I wouldn't like I.
00:38:46
It's hard to tell if that made.
00:38:47
Any difference you know and that's that's a good point.
00:38:49
Like you never want to.
00:38:50
You want to dilute the effects of the medison.
00:38:53
I mean because yeah, cannabis is medicine as well, a different kind of medison, so you don't want to necessarily.
00:38:59
You don't want to create a cocktail of medison where you can actually get the benefits of either because you can't distinguish what's doing what.
00:39:08
So if you want to get a therapeutic psilocybin experience, a lot of the psilocybin to do the heavy lift.
00:39:08
Yeah.
00:39:08
00:39:13
And then you can kind of like massage the edges a little bit and keep it in bounds with some cannabis, but yeah.
00:39:18
But don't ever allow anything to take away.
00:39:21
Take the luster away from the silicide and yeah, it's gotta have the spotlight well.
00:39:23
Yeah Simon yeah.
00:39:23
Yeah, Simon.
00:39:26
I really want to try this.
00:39:28
This method that you say about the lemon Tek.
00:39:31
Yes.
00:39:31
Yeah so that I can reduce that and have it just be.
00:39:36
A quicker experience because it felt like honestly now I have done DMT once before and it felt like that like it felt like no, just the whole experience.
00:39:46
The comedown felt like that.
00:39:46
The comedown felt that.
00:39:49
Wow, awesome.
00:39:49
00:39:49
Wow, yeah it was.
00:39:50
Awesome.
00:39:51
I mean and and probably like maybe an hour and a half.
00:39:55
Or between that and three hours.
00:39:58
It's you know it's it's kind of hard to tell.
00:40:01
Felt as intense as the DMT.
00:40:04
So I mean it's a lot of psilocybin and depending on the strain and I know you work with good strains, it's.
00:40:10
It's.
00:40:10
00:40:11
It's intense man.
00:40:12
So.
00:40:12
Yeah, don't discount.
00:40:12
00:40:13
You know DMT is at the top of the you know in the Mount Rushmore of psychedelics because of its potency and effects and all that stuff.
00:40:20
Psilocybin is right up there and with the right quantities man it will hit you like a ton of bricks.
00:40:25
Yeah, very awesome, powerful, benevolent, tenebrix but it will hit you like a.
00:40:30
Ton of bricks it.
00:40:31
Yeah it was a beautiful ton of bricks Mount.
00:40:35
And I I went into.
00:40:38
You know how the the senses you start to lose your ability to discern between senses?
00:40:44
Sure, and they sort of merge.
00:40:47
I felt I felt all that like that's that's kind of what I like and that's what I feel like leads to creativity and growth.
00:40:55
But the the interesting part that I.
00:40:59
I want to.
00:41:00
Hang on one second Brody.
00:41:02
We don't need your commentary on this podcast.
00:41:06
He's given it to that tennis ball now.
00:41:07
Yeah, I mean alright.
00:41:10
So if you hear heavy breathing, I promise that's not Sean giving me a ******* under the podcast table.
00:41:15
That's my dog.
00:41:16
Yeah, no, we're gonna we're gonna turn it off for that.
00:41:18
Alright so thanks Brody.
00:41:19
And.
00:41:20
OK, back to what you were saying.
00:41:21
I apologize, no, no, you're good.
00:41:24
So what was I saying so?
00:41:27
You were you were saying the senses were kind of in working in Unison.
00:41:30
Yeah, so the the sense is that that was a part and I'm getting familiar with that part as I do more psychedelic experiences.
00:41:37
But the part that's like starting to open up to me and I had this during the DMT experience, was that there's a different world.
00:41:45
And maybe it's a dream world.
00:41:48
Maybe it's not real.
00:41:49
Maybe it's a real world and it's just in a different dimension that we can't see with our ordinary senses and we have to have this portal to look at this world through.
00:42:00
And I heard something on Michael Malesan saying it on Joe Rogan about how.
00:42:07
There's something about beings like people I I hear different people say that they see beings during their DMT trips, sure and so and then he like connected that like maybe it's the fourth dimension.
00:42:17
And so I think he's just kind of like reading forums and speculating here.
00:42:22
But just to think that that what if you know and it's.
00:42:27
I've just been like noodling on that for I did this a couple weeks ago, but since then I've been thinking like what about this other world man and it's right in front of us right here right now that we're sort of interacting with and we just don't have the senses.
00:42:43
To see it or or feel it or whatever way.
00:42:47
Well, it's like Sam Harris.
00:42:48
If you ever listen to him, his definition of consciousness.
00:42:51
I mean, there's really, you know, there's really no way to.
00:42:54
It's not tangible.
00:42:55
You know it's a lot of this stuff is.
00:42:57
It's figurative people really can can't make it objective because everybody has their own way of spinning it.
00:43:06
You know everybody's sketch artist drawing of their experience looks a little bit different. Their commonality is throughout.
00:43:12
But because there's nothing really tangible, you can't put your finger on it.
00:43:16
It's hard to a lot of the skeptics are just going to be called ******** You know the science behind it.
00:43:22
Yes, there are science.
00:43:23
It's psychological science, but not the same kind of science.
00:43:26
You'd have to have to prove a new species or something like that, right?
00:43:30
But the consciousness discussion goes into that and.
00:43:33
Yeah, it's it's a very subjective conversation.
00:43:35
So with that idea that maybe we're not sensing everything.
00:43:42
We only evolved to sense just to stay alive right?
00:43:46
So we our senses do the bare minimum as far as what's.
00:43:52
Right here you know what makes this world up.
00:43:56
Add another necessity, essentially, yeah.
00:43:58
Yeah, I mean we smell so we can tell if things are good or bad.
00:44:01
We can see predators prey and you know here and then like just you think of the.
00:44:08
Like with your wife being pregnant, the senses finetune like because the mother needs to protect the baby and the mother needs to be more alert.
00:44:19
So it's I mean it's, you know it's totally just for survival, right?
00:44:24
Nothing more than that.
00:44:26
An So what happens where?
00:44:29
I mean, we've gotten to a point where we're starting to do more than survive right over the past, whatever.
00:44:34
Couple 100 years.
00:44:35
We're thriving, right?
00:44:38
Or, you know, killing ourselves but we have options an and we can do.
00:44:44
We can explore these different sides of consciousness and so that just made me think how we know nothing.
00:44:46
It's a really good point.
00:44:46
00:44:50
We know nothing you know, like as far as what's out there.
00:44:54
Like there's Infinity that we don't.
00:44:56
No.
00:44:57
You know an there's you hear about like how?
00:45:01
Brody senses smells.
00:45:02
Sense.
00:45:02
00:45:03
No, you're right.
00:45:04
But if you like if you.
00:45:05
If you're blind, if you lose your sight, your hearing is so much more powerful because you use it completely differently.
00:45:12
Like you said, your necessities, your obligations, your environment changes an you adapt.
00:45:17
The natural selection comes into play and you figure out how to survive.
00:45:20
So yeah, you take away.
00:45:20
Yeah.
00:45:20
00:45:22
Any of those preconceived notions as to how you should be going about life, how you should be breathing, how you should be seeing, how you should be smelling, or listening any of those stuff.
00:45:31
Those things now you get to see it fresh and you get to see it.
00:45:34
Maybe the way my daughter will when she's first born.
00:45:36
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:37
That's the power of this stuff.
00:45:38
And like you said, you can shift away, shift around the strength of different senses senses or bring them together in one snowball and you can't really do that a whole lot of other ways.
00:45:49
Man, like Michael Jordan gets into his flow state because he's got, you know, consistent, awesome game.
00:45:54
In the right mindset this stuff.
00:45:56
Kind of puts you there.
00:45:57
Yeah, yeah, in a way it does.
00:45:59
It's and I I recall the phrase being reborn with a DMT trip sure, and that makes sense.
00:46:07
It's like you shed all your preconceived notions about self and about the world and about what this water bottle means, you know.
00:46:15
Yeah, for the for the listeners he's clutching a.
00:46:17
The single use plastic water bottle.
00:46:20
We don't condone them on the podcast I gave it to him, so it's my fault next time we use a reusable water.
00:46:25
Bottle very true, yeah?
00:46:25
Bottle very.
00:46:26
So getting back to your experience, so you were on the comedown, you were like hey, I want this to end.
00:46:32
Uh huh.
00:46:33
Did you panic?
00:46:34
A little bit like I want this to end or this is exhausting?
00:46:37
Or did you find yourself just easily going with?
00:46:40
Well, no, I mean I I chose to drink to kind of deal with it so I would call that like.
00:46:46
Not going with the flow and and.
00:46:50
It, but it was.
00:46:51
It was OK.
00:46:52
You know it wasn't like uncomfortable like I have to get out of here, but I did like seek relief in the form of like I was really hungry at that point and I just ate obsessively.
00:46:59
Sure.
00:47:05
And and ranks on and yeah.
00:47:09
And then I just kind of went to.
00:47:10
Bed early, So what would you say like and you had a chaperone?
00:47:12
Oh
00:47:14
Not a chaperone but yeah a buddy.
00:47:16
You do the buddy system when you take those sizeable doses, never do it by yourself, correct?
00:47:18
He
00:47:21
An you trusted your buddy.
00:47:22
Your buddy has experience.
00:47:24
Yeah, we're Speaking of Felix, of course.
00:47:24
Yeah.
00:47:24
00:47:26
Yeah, I would definitely trust Felix with anybody's first psychedelic experience. Yeah, so I guess what would you say? Your biggest takeaway is from your experience, an clue.
00:47:29
Delich experience yeah.
00:47:29
00:47:36
Really, it's an ongoing process.
00:47:38
It's not like, hey, I'd take this one amazing pill and I'm fixed forever.
00:47:42
It's you're working towards just constant betterment, but would you say for this particular session, like what was your biggest takeaway?
00:47:48
So I've always tried to do the trip an have some lesson afterwards.
00:47:55
Some tangible idea that I can, or a step that I can take an I came out of this immediately with.
00:48:04
With none of that, you know and.
00:48:08
So my takeaway is that the lesson isn't necessarily something that you can verbalize.
00:48:14
It might be something that.
00:48:16
Your subconscious took in in some way and that you know intuitively, even though you can explain it, and that's where I think this this. We know 1% of things comes in. We know, you know.
00:48:29
There's Infinity that we don't know and but 'cause like what are we sensing?
00:48:36
What do we already have in us that we know intuitively?
00:48:40
But we can't explain anyways.
00:48:43
So after this, like in the days following the trip, I notice that things that I would normally get.
00:48:50
Irritable app.
00:48:52
I felt like I had the choice on whether to let that bother me.
00:48:57
I love that, and this is pretty consistent.
00:48:59
This was like I notice I'm like, huh?
00:49:01
That usually and it's like stupid **** like.
00:49:05
You know a big line at Trader Joe's or just whatever it is.
00:49:10
I was like I felt like I had the option to let that **** go or two or two.
00:49:17
You know, get to love it.
00:49:18
'cause it shed some of that program 'cause we all get programmed every time, every time we have a bad experience.
00:49:23
If we're in that same setting again, it just kind of kicks in memory sets in and.
00:49:28
We are programmed to freak out a little bit, or we just expect the worst so shedding that little bit of memory, weight shedding a little bit of the way that you attach yourself to that memory.
00:49:31
Exactly.
00:49:40
Yeah, so powerful man, yeah, I love that.
00:49:42
Yeah.
00:49:42
00:49:42
Yeah, well and then you say a little bit, which a little bit is true, but the collection of those like when those irritations stack up.
00:49:51
You know that can be a lot, so if you're if you're just in the habit of letting **** go like continuously, or if you're in the habit of letting of not letting it go right, whatever it is, it adds up to something more powerful.
00:50:08
So yeah, a small change goes along way over time.
00:50:10
Fine, I love it and yeah, just disrupting the program a little bit because the program.
00:50:15
Says every time I go to this line at Trader Joe's, I get annoyed and it's cold.
00:50:20
And by the time I get inside I forgot what I wanted to bring and whatever the case may be, it's just a whole snowball of **** to make you worried and pist off.
00:50:28
But if you throw a little wrench in there and maybe like some of it isn't attached to a bad thing, or gets disassociated with the overall.
00:50:36
Team it's amazing what positive impact that is.
00:50:39
At home, it's fully.
00:50:39
00:50:39
Your brain doesn't know how to be ****** anyone.
00:50:41
Holyman well, and then you realize like stuff that was by default that you didn't think about.
00:50:47
It's just like you just get mad or react smoke.
00:50:49
Yeah, that's why they say that smokers that do extensive psilocybin therapy get tremendous relief.
00:50:55
Maybe not for a sustained period of time, but they get tremendous relief for a short period of time 'cause all those routines and instincts and they get disrupted a little bit.
00:51:04
Yeah, and it's amazing.
00:51:04
No, at least it helps you see your folly.
00:51:08
You get to wear your.
00:51:11
You're like, is this really what I've been doing?
00:51:13
Right?
00:51:13
Is this really how I've been going?
00:51:15
Out things, and yeah, it's it's like that being a baby you know you're seeing it for the first time and you have the option whether or not.
00:51:22
To continue that, yeah, but you have all the knowledge of not being a baby.
00:51:26
All the knowledge and understanding of humanity as an adult, but you're able to kind of think like a baby.
00:51:29
Yeah.
00:51:32
Yeah awesome, yeah.
00:51:33
It's beautiful man and so for the next one I want to go back.
00:51:36
To this world, whatever it is that I'm having trouble explaining, but I want to get more familiar with this.
00:51:42
World I can tell that it affected you positively.
00:51:45
Yes, and I'm glad to hear that.
00:51:47
And that's my whole goal.
00:51:48
Anytime I bring somebody into the mix or try to, you know, coach him through a big experience.
00:51:53
As long as you have a smile on your face afterwards and you have positive reflection man, I'm happy as a clam.
00:51:57
Yeah, so this was this was awesome dude.
00:51:59
Thank you.
00:51:59
00:51:59
Thanks for sharing.
00:52:00
Yeah, no thank you for having me on here.
00:52:02
Man this is amazing and it's it's I think the therapy continues like as you talk about.
00:52:06
Yeah.
00:52:07
But
00:52:07
Dude thanks so much.
00:52:08
I expect to hear Shawn back on the podcast again soon.
00:52:11
Have a great day.