Episode 8 - Spawn Transfer, Bathing Strategies, and Online Cultivator Critiques
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Welcome back to the mustache room.
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I'm glad you guys are here.
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We have another great episode with Andrew.
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He returns to talk about his mycology experiments.
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As of late, he's doing spawn transfers and using popcorn and some cool stuff.
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We get a visit from wifey, Jill.
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She talks about the Oyster mushroom, super informative, an.
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And are my hypothesis.
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Maybe the fact that half the country or roughly half of the country is super pist off is a reason for us to give new credence to mushrooms as not a panacea, but maybe a way to make people a little bit happier, right? We have some ideas, I do want to mention that we now have a functioning website for the podcast mustache room.com that's spelled MUSTSH.
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Ro-m.com, we're going to continue with social media and all the other stuff that I'm missing, but mustache room.com. We have transcripts of the episodes. Then I'll try to put more relevant content up there. This is episode 8. Enjoy the podcast. Dear God, I want to hear the stories from.
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Doug Doug said he's a listener of the podcast because I introduced him to him before we met, so hopefully that perpetuates.
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So Doug, if you're listening, you have to tell us what did you do with the shed that was being towed by the Corvette to be continued on that subject.
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So I had to introduce you to Doug via picture.
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Unfortunately couldn't stick around for the podcast, but.
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Today, other than meeting Doug, I also took an Epsom salt bath.
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Do you take bath?
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I take cold baths.
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So you do not take warm baths, you take cold bath.
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Yeah, I'll usually take an ice bath.
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It's a great way to cure a hangover if you have one.
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Haven't had one in quite awhile, but I'll do it.
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If I'm really sore, you know I'll do it for most of those type of reasons.
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So what do you do?
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You fill up the bath with like a ice, or do you just go as cold as the faucet will let you?
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It's called as the vital lecture, and then I'll add, you know, if I if I'm really into it, I'll add snow from outside, or maybe pick up some 5 pound bags of ice at the gas station.
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I guess for the audience this is a relevant story, but when I was drug testing earlier for a new job I had.
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You know, I read that I spazer a good way to help detox and so yeah, I was taken.
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I spent.
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I spent every morning.
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And anything that you hear from the head, shop, anything you read on line, why not?
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Right?
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If it's not something that's going to like, roll the dice significantly added on.
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And it's working.
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Yep.
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When I was getting ready for my drug test man, I was drinking just you know any kind of vinegar or cranberry juice, anything where there might have been some urban legend of medicinal use.
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Anything at all, as I'm right there with you.
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Yeah, and actually that's How I Met Felix.
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It was after two days after the drug test and exactly we're smoking after the gym and I I said, oh man, I got this drug test.
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Of course.
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He says you don't have to give people drug tests.
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I got 2 words.
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Quick luck.
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Quick fix yeah, and quick fix.
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Wait, what's it called?
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Quick Fix and is that like ready at the head shop around the corner.
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They sell it online, it's the quick look is what I've read is the best, and yeah, it you can pass any things what I've heard.
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Fantastic.
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Went the old school way and I I did the detox and turn it around and eight days 9 days so not bad.
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Yeah, I've used a detox 4X and I forget which cleanse I used last time, but.
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Here's my here's my take on it and I said before I took my current job.
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I said that I would never work.
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Never worked for a company that required their employees to take drug tests, because if you're not going to require that they take alcohol tests or you know any sort of advice.
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It just seems like.
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Too much discrimination.
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But I told the HR person when I got my job that I will pass your drug test.
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I will take your drug test.
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I will pass it because I'm that guy.
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But please know that I have many uses for cannabis and I will be continuing to use it.
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So I will pass the drug test but just know I don't agree with the drug test.
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So I took my stance but I still compromised.
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I feel like I won, but I I do.
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Wow.
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Now you want more than I did I sold out, you know, I yeah I I'd pass the test and of course I went right back to smoking, right?
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Oh, you did.
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Yeah, well that I.
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They don't need to know that.
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Mean the drug test has no significance.
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Yes, it's federally illegal, which is going to change.
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There's no way with all the now competent people in political positions across all branches of government.
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And if you don't like the way I feel, I apologize.
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It's just going to continue.
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That I think we can make some changes man.
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I think we can.
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Cool and that'll be the last I say about that I brought.
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I brought you on and you're not just because I love you and I wanted you to be close to me as we're doing the podcast.
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But I also wanted to talk about you got some recent success with grain transfer or spawn transfer.
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And so I wanted the listening audience to kind of hear your lessons learned and like what you've done with that 'cause.
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It's it's pretty.
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Impressive.
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Yeah yeah, thank you and I feel odd teaching you anything so far.
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Started watching.
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I'm still I saw my first pins this morning and I was very excited to see that.
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That is, that is like it's like seeing the head of your baby like I just just pop out of a vagina and just show, hey, I'm here there will be more of Maine, maybe not as significant as the vagina baby.
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You don't have to verify.
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Right, right, right?
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Yeah, I'll get back to you, but yes, congratulations on that, by the way.
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Thank you, thank you yeah.
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Anything in particular you want me to focus on?
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Yeah, I mean, why don't you talk about like what you the spawn transfer?
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Because what I've been doing, and it sounds like you've got a more efficient method, I've been doing just, you know, direct Auger Direct.
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A spore injection direct liquid culture just directly into the spawn and hoping from its infancy, it would grow into something, and I've run into a lot of contamination issues, so it sounds like you've got a way for once you've gotten past contamination to now like propagate your mycelium all over the place.
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Like ******* Pharaoh, ruler style propagation of sperm if you will, to other recipients and just kind of like build your.
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Build your Legion.
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That's how my last batch of jars went, I mean.
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Just whiteness everywhere.
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Yeah, I I had a spare jar laying around in in its B plus that I have and I was actually waiting on my Agar solution so it was kind of just a desperate play of I.
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I want more jars and I don't have syringes and I don't have anything else.
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Yeah, I could take takes forever.
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So yeah, you know why not use the spare jar I have laying around and you know we did that on the 19th.
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And it just took off.
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I did it into popcorn and.
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Again, I'm really particular about the sterilization, so my kitchen, you know, and I think the size of my kitchen.
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It's so small and in in just a small apt.
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I think that really helps with the airflow and I go really hard in the lysol spray.
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So once this still air box is there you can just shake up the grains in the colonized jar.
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Now it has to be the same grain from source to destination.
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Doesn't have to be the same green.
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Doesn't even have to be the same.
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You can do any kind of.
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Yeah any kind of transfer.
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Sorry.
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So I was doing ribair.
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Freeze to popcorn and you shake it up real good.
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Awesome.
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Just like you know before you spawn it and you know.
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Open the jars very carefully in the still air box.
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I don't use anything anymore to scoop it out.
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I had some jars that were a little stubborn and I had to do that, so in that case I think you want to take the spoon and be as sterile as you can, but mine was just shaking up the jar jump maybe a tablespoon into the fresh jar and quickly get the lid back on and you know I do four or five jars in a row.
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Gotcha.
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Sure.
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So like the lids aren't.
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They're not immediately back on, but within 20 to 30 seconds.
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But you're functioning in a still air box, so I mean the extra precaution is awesome, but you still are in a still air box.
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Exactly.
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In a silver box wearing an N95 mask in a really small kitchen that's been cleaned.
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And when I tell other people, like aspiring growers, new growers in the protocol they should use, I definitely point to you 'cause your model is meticulous and it's working.
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My model is.
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It kind of fly by the seat of my pants and just test it, which is not the way I would write it down if I were to create a recipe.
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So kudos to you.
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Don't look at me, it is the model for cleanliness by any means.
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Yeah, and you know I talked last time how I was buying pre sterilized bags and jars online.
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Yes.
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That's expensive so you don't want to waste those bags right?
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It is.
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So I was I had to be extra careful now that I have my own pressure cooker and I'm cranking out jars just Willy nilly when I have free popcorn laying around.
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You know, I'm a little bit more carefree, but either way, yeah and and I mean it took us 9 days for those jars to be ready to escape and it was.
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Sure.
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It was half quart jars of popcorn.
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So that that to me, and I'm going to start using popcorn a lot more because I looked at the price tag too.
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And like I was telling you, even though it's less dense by volume.
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It still seems like a good way to go.
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And it smells better.
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I kind of like the smell when you sterilize it better and.
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Yeah, the movie theaters are gone.
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I mean, I guess AMC is making a comeback with the whole stock trading issue, but but yeah, you're right.
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Yeah.
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It's nice to have that kind of just Remembrance of old times in the movie theater.
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Yeah, and you know it's funny you read on line. People are really particular about their methods. Some people really hate on popcorn and other people are there to defend it. OK, honestly people are. They feel strongly about it and I don't know if everybody's tried it the right way, but it's a pretty simple and easy method. If I could do it without.
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Screwing up.
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Anybody can yeah, my big thing is if if it's not super expensive.
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Anybody?
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I I don't give a **** if it works and you know there's you have a repeatable method.
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I'm all in, so it sounds like I can take the Rye berries and because they are smaller they have less size to him.
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They'll fit in between the popcorn kernels nicely.
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Does that work?
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Does it like Jenga themselves in there?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, actually 'cause I had some of those jars that I bought before I really knew what the heck I was doing here.
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Like I was doing here.
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It had it looked like a cocoa core type substrate in it at the top of the jars too.
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And I mean those things were fully colonized too and all those tiny little pieces that broke up into the jars probably helped speed that timeline up.
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I love it.
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And so I think that's going to work.
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Work really well and.
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I would also say just shaking it up just like you do at the 30 to 50% mark. You shake it up, get him all over.
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Place.
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Cool so yeah, for me I see that so you go riberry to to grow your mycelium and then transfer them ultimately to more jars or more containers of popcorn.
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Let them kind of Nestle in physically in between all the kernels.
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And yeah, their transfers based on.
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Based on what I've seen online, it gets you way past that earlier point.
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You can just kind of like.
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Rocket fuel to the end.
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Yeah, and for impatient people like me.
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**** I mean we're all impatient stoners, right?
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I mean, we're all impatient.
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So cool, if you're interested.
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I did find a video online.
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These people that do videos online with mushroom stuff. I love them and I learned a lot from them, but it's like I just don't trust them for anything except for the guy from fresh cap mushroom. I love that guy, the Canadian guy. Kudos to him, but here's the video I found of a guy doing grand grand inoculation Alex 8721 with 350 subscribers on YouTube.
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And he talks about, you know, going from grain to grain.
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Let's see if we can get anything from this video here.
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It's only a few minutes.
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This little area here and also within here before putting everything in the still air box.
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Yeah, so basically with green to green.
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You're just using a.
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Already colonized jar of grain to inoculate, sterilized grain in jars.
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Just like we said.
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So basically what you want.
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So we forgot to put.
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We forgot to match in there or forgot to mention I should say the target has to be fully sterilized, but you can't just take any grain, it has to be completely prepared like you were to put some auger on it or something like that.
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Yep, you're just.
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Introducing something different as a vehicle from the mycelium, but it has to be sterilized.
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Want to do this as quick as possible, So what I'll do is I'll have everything kind of set up already.
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In the still air box.
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See I pull out the lids.
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And.
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At this point you just want to do this quick as possible, so the less time that you know the green is open to.
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Oh
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All right, so not not a whole lot to be learned here.
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Now we can't even see this guys face.
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I can just see his hairy knuckles so I don't know if he's like super nerdy to look at.
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I'm sure he's nerdy as a person.
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Do you follow Arvin 47 at all? I don't know. Oh man, you gotta check him out. I this kid he's he's who I learned a lot from and the profile picture on YouTube is Jesus Christ and.
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Oh wait.
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I probably do know what what's his name Arvin?
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Yeah, Arvin 47.
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Yeah, Arvin 40.
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There we go.
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See if I know this guy.
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Wearing the shirt in that video.
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Hello everyone, my name is Arvin 47 and in this video I'll be showing you how to make your own.
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Yep, Yep, I've seen this guy.
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And so The funny thing about this guy is the first thing that comes to mind is there's this comedian named Mitch Fatel who uses this like little kid Baby Voice.
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And so when I.
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When I hear your boy Arvin 47, talking about mycology, all I hear is Mitch Fatel telling a ****** joke so he already lost me. I had to switch channels immediately. I'm sure he does a great job, but if they haven't had to put the captions on to really make it through. I've been 47 presentation.
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Yeah, and if you speed it up it only gets better so.
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All right, so I'll spare the listening audience. I feel as if my voice is a little more soothing than Urban's at this point. But yeah, if he's educational and he's creating prodigies like you man rock on.
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Yeah, I've always thought you had a great.
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Podcast Voice Well, thank you so much.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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Oh yeah.
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Sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
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Here we go.
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The stand out on the podcast.
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So without you I'm nothing.
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No, well thank you for that.
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You're welcome, it's true.
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I mean, I am your better half, yeah?
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Yeah, no, that's what most people say.
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That's what everybody?
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So what do you have for us this episode?
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What?
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How can you educate us at this point?
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So we're going to dive into the oyster mushrooms.
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The oyster mushroom.
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You like that you dive for the oyster.
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Oh, I didn't pick up on that, but.
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I know those those hard.
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Yeah yeah OK.
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Oyster mushrooms there is a large and wide variety of them.
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OK there are different colors, different sizes, different shape.
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Personally, we've cooked some teriyaki mushrooms with the King Oyster, which is quite large.
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I don't know if you remember that one.
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Oh yeah, that one.
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As a man, it just I felt intimidated by this.
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The size of the King oyster mushroom.
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Yeah, this one was like the size of a forearm.
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I mean it was quite large.
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I know.
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Yeah, I have some videos that you haven't seen that are cached on my computer that have similar.
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Structures, not mushrooms, but.
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Oh yeah, what's that mean?
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Right, yeah?
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That goes around.
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The date.
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Oh the the *** **** guys sitting on the bed.
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Yeah, and he's like leaning over.
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It's kind of about that.
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It looks like that.
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OK, which is even more scary.
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Mrs Carey yeah welcome.
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If you weren't scared before.
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Yeah, that mean boy, that guy posthumously super famous.
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At least that he's died.
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He passed away.
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Oh no, all right thing.
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It's unfortunate, but we'll all.
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He will live in our heads forever.
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Oh my God serious.
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Saying OK, soaking oyster is a variety.
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Right?
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There's also pink oyster, Golden oyster blue, oyster Pearl in Phoenix, so there's a variety of them, and each one does have a different flavor profile and or cooking preparation.
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Hello.
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So for instance, the Blues.
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And the pinks.
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The color will fade if you do put it over heat for a long time.
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OK.
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So those you can just chop up and eat raw.
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Ann
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Now just for the listening audience, my experience when I see Oyster mushrooms, they're usually growing like they look like steps growing out of the side of some sort of brick or wood or something like that.
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Yeah they like like in the fairy movies like movies with fairies that kind of like sit on a mushroom cap that's growing up the side of a like a big tree like little stepping stones.
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Yeah.
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They're like stepping mushrooms.
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Yeah, I mean it's it's fungus, so you know it mimics a lot of the fungus you'll see on down trees and stuff in the Woods, but.
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The fact that there are so many colors and the fact they grow in those patterns is pretty pretty unique.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and a lot of times will grow in clusters come in different sizes.
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As to, you know, whenever you want to harvest them as well.
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But yeah, you can eat the stem and the cap mostly with those King oysters at least it's like.
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OK.
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Stem because it's pretty large.
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Now I remember the King Oyster was pretty pretty tasty.
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This very tasty so that when we made some teriyaki mushrooms so I slice them lengthwise so from top to bottom and I made like long steaks out of them, marinated them in some teriyaki.
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What did you?
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What did you make out of it?
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That's right.
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OK.
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We grilled them over a flame and.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Dress it with some sesame seeds and green onions Ann.
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I mean, they're so flavorful mushrooms take on take on a lot of flavor.
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Really good.
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And we got them from the Cherry Creek farmers market, specifically Gary from fresh from the farm Fungee
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You can.
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Yeah they have a great variety of oyster mushrooms.
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Oh man, we got we really all of our culinary mushrooms we've purchased from fresh from the farm funky other than like normal button mushrooms and portobellos at the grocery store.
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Like all the colors.
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Correct, yeah?
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And so yeah, so talking about some of the nutrition, so Cup serving of these mushrooms is only 28 calories, 1 gram of fat, 3 grams of protein, which is pretty pretty high for such a low calorie content. 2 grams of fiber. They're obviously rich in vitamins, minerals and antioxidants, as are other mush.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Shrooms, but particularly in niacin, vitamin D, which vitamin D can be very hard to find an in food products?
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Well yeah, 'cause you, if you're not exposed to the sunlight, you have zero vitamin D.
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Well yeah, your body will produce a a minute amount but yeah, we get the majority of our vitamin D from the sunlight and then iron.
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OK.
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Gotcha.
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It has a lot of.
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Iron in it as well.
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And as well.
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Now riboflavin was one that you mentioned.
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Yes, so this also includes some additional nutrients. Riboflavin, which is also going to be a B2 potassium vitamin B6.
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OK.
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Folic acid or folate which is really important when you're pregnant?
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Yeah.
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I'm learning that.
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Yeah, and magnesium, vitamin C's amino acids that are essential for protein growth. So yeah, again, all mushrooms are great, so these are just some of the particulars about this one. But yeah again, additional properties, anti-inflammatory benefits, lowering high blood pressure.
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Boosting one's immune.
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Immunity anti cancer properties.
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All these are found in that one mushroom.
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And this one mushroom.
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That's pretty cool, so I haven't seen a lot of oyster mushrooms.
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You know there's so many different varieties, but I haven't seen them in like a powdered form the same way you'd find like you know, chaga or reishi, or one of those supplements so you know the best thing about the oysters.
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They do have good taste.
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Like I said, for the most part, you know, we know one of them, but the rest are supposed to be.
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Tasty so you don't necessarily have to take it in like an obligatory capsule.
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You can enjoy the eating experience with the medicinal experience all in one.
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The combo the dream.
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Yeah, I've I've not seen Oyster an in the other form except for fresh, you know, culinary usage.
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Yeah, even dried.
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I haven't really seen them all that much in the dried.
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You know mushroom category.
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But yeah, these are pretty easily, you know, you know, available to fine.
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I would say grocery stores, you know should have at least one variety, the King Trump.
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That's in the grocery stores are going to be a lot smaller.
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I would say that they're probably no more than like 4 to 5 inches long where the one we got from the farmers market was like a 10 incher.
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OK.
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I mean I think was with a lot of girth.
00:20:27
Again, reverting, reverting back to the trauma that I experienced when I first laid eyes on that King Oyster mushroom.
00:20:33
Yeah, I mean it was the one mushroom. I think we paid $10 for that one mushroom, but it was. It was enough for like a starter.
00:20:42
For for dinner that night.
00:20:44
Yeah, I mean it's it's a good meat substitute.
00:20:47
You know I love meat and I'll never fully substitute my meat.
00:20:50
But you know, that sounds kind of weird.
00:20:52
Yeah man, I'll take my.
00:20:52
Me neither.
00:20:54
My mind is in a just a different very naughty places but I will never fully cut out meat.
00:21:01
Sorry vegetarians I respect you but I don't want to join you.
00:21:04
I I like mushrooms.
00:21:06
And I like meat, but if I don't have meat, the mushroom is a damn good substitute the way you prepped the teriyaki.
00:21:13
I mean, that was.
00:21:15
Not me, but it was ******* good.
00:21:17
And you know I can send you the recipe and we can link it.
00:21:19
We will link it and I do want to mention while we're on here mustache room.com, we have it up and running. I have episodes. I have transcripts. There's more coming this thing is like a snowball of fun and education that is coming your way.
00:21:20
Yeah.
00:21:32
Yep, and let's do a two year near you.
00:21:32
So.
00:21:35
To an air near you.
00:21:37
So anything else you want to talk about with the oyster, I think we've covered most of the bases.
00:21:40
I think we I think we did a lot.
00:21:41
Again, I think you know a lot of people realize that you know these mushrooms in general, regardless of the variety you're intaking, just a dense amount of nutrients.
00:21:53
And benefits with it.
00:21:55
So get out there.
00:21:56
Explore recipes are easy to find online and just have some fun with it.
00:22:01
And then you're still going to, you know, reap the benefit.
00:22:03
Agree.
00:22:04
Well stated, well wifey, Jill.
00:22:06
Thank you for this segment and listening audience.
00:22:07
Alright, thank you.
00:22:09
She'll be back second flush so.
00:22:10
Flush
00:22:12
I just I have some model tubs going you saw behind in the mustache room here.
00:22:17
Bless you.
00:22:19
Have some stuff going and I just finished one of my flushes on my tubs so it was time for a second flush so when I when we talk about flush let's just make sure everybody knows what we're talking about.
00:22:23
So.
00:22:29
That's a sprouting of mushrooms.
00:22:32
They kind of happen in these little bunches, so once the bunches are done, that's a flush.
00:22:37
You may not get the full tub.
00:22:39
With every little piece of the tub growing mushrooms, or at least at the same time, but you will see like things will be popping up consistently and then they'll just stop.
00:22:49
When they stop, you can let it sit forever and wait for the next flush.
00:22:54
Or you can accelerate the next flush by submerging the tub in water and there are a few different ways that people want to go about it.
00:23:03
One way people say is to just put it under running water, but I don't want to be an advocate of water like misuse.
00:23:10
Frivolous use of water, so I've strayed from that method.
00:23:13
Basically I just take my tub I put it under.
00:23:15
Running tap water doesn't have to be any particular type of water an I get it to where the water fully submerges or fully cut.
00:23:23
Where is the cake?
00:23:24
It's going to start to float.
00:23:26
Maybe the the mycelium is so grown into your bag, your tub that it's it's weighing itself down, but eventually it will float, so the goal is to get it completely submerged underwater to get the mycelium all covered with water.
00:23:41
Using like some weights or.
00:23:43
You can use jars.
00:23:45
Whatever you can do to keep it submerged underwater, like that's the.
00:23:49
And people say like 8 to 10 hours is a good time frame.
00:23:52
And that.
00:23:53
That's what I've been doing.
00:23:54
You know, sometimes a little bit longer.
00:23:55
If I fall asleep and forget to change it or something.
00:23:57
But I would say a good.
00:23:58
Target is 8 to 10 hours.
00:24:00
So.
00:24:00
One question is it one picking per flush or do you pick at a few different points based on like maturity of each set?
00:24:01
Is it?
00:24:02
Picking.
00:24:07
Yeah, I mean the goal and I discussed it before.
00:24:11
You really want to get it like right as the veil opens.
00:24:15
But you'll see little pockets.
00:24:17
They'll never be just like the whole tub is full of mushrooms, at least in my experience.
00:24:21
Sometimes online people have that they must be using so much spawn, it's just got to be so cramped in there.
00:24:27
If you want to use a regular amount of spawn like a real couple couple bags or a couple of jars, I can't see you covering the entire mono tub at one.
00:24:36
In one flush with mushroom.
00:24:38
How many jars or how many quart jars worth in each of these?
00:24:41
I usually use 2 quart jars.
00:24:41
Yes.
00:24:43
Tub
00:24:44
So I purposely plan to go pretty **** ** mine and I'm planning five to six typically yeah.
00:24:47
Yeah.
00:24:50
Quartz let's let's hear how it goes.
00:24:52
I I'm really limited on space for the fruiting chambers, and I see those pictures online, and that's exactly the assumption I had.
00:24:54
Yeah.
00:24:58
So even last night when we spawned those, we basically had 10 quarts worth.
00:25:03
Yeah, and we put that.
00:25:05
I actually I gotta step back.
00:25:07
It was probably 7 quarts, but we split that into two like big shoebox type.
00:25:08
OK.
00:25:13
Tubs so there are 20 liter.
00:25:13
OK.
00:25:15
I believe they are.
00:25:15
You know, maybe a foot long and like 8 inches wide.
00:25:18
Is wide you should get.
00:25:20
Yeah you should get nice tubs.
00:25:21
And that was some white thick mycelium too.
00:25:23
Oh
00:25:23
So man, I'm my fingers are crossed.
00:25:25
So the way I've been doing it, like I, I guess I could be using more.
00:25:30
I've been going for more quantity of tubs just for like the different tests I've been doing.
00:25:35
But yeah, the way you're doing it, I hope your tub is completely full an you'll have to report back.
00:25:39
As with that amount of mycelium.
00:25:41
In so much as such a small space, it really should blossom.
00:25:45
And like I said, I mean we live in an 800 square foot apartment. Yeah, so jars fit just fine. I've got probably 70 quarts of of grains that are currently inoculated and we only have space for a few mono tubs. You know, one one of the half of what you have here, so that's going to be my only option unless you're going to get my jars. So let's see how it goes.
00:26:05
Now I will gladly use my space to run your tests.
00:26:09
Can you consider me your your cohort in the process?
00:26:12
Awesome.
00:26:13
So yeah, flushes are awesome.
00:26:15
Now when you take it when you put it in the.
00:26:17
Flat when you get it.
00:26:18
A little bit when you're going between flushes.
00:26:21
When you're preparing for your second flush, you've got everything submerged after the 8 hours are up, just, you know, take off the weights or whatever.
00:26:29
Take the tub up to the faucet.
00:26:32
Dump it out.
00:26:32
You'll have to hold the cake in place, it will just slide out.
00:26:35
So kind of like tilt it up, put your hand.
00:26:37
You know with the glove on, put your hand on the.
00:26:41
On the mycelium brick and just make sure it doesn't slide out as you're dumping out the water.
00:26:45
Also make sure if you do use the trash bags that water sometimes will get underneath the trash bag.
00:26:52
It will slip in between the trash bag and the duct tape, so just make sure that you don't leave the water underneath the trash bag if that's what you're doing.
00:27:02
Some people just kind of black out the tub, but just make sure the water is not left in there.
00:27:05
It's like it's kind of gross.
00:27:06
No.
00:27:07
What's your contamination risk like at that point?
00:27:10
Is it pretty low, yeah.
00:27:12
Once the mycelium is fully grown, you know you have less risk of contamination like you may see like moldy stuff.
00:27:19
Pop up here and there.
00:27:19
That's not directly impacting the mushrooms and it'll still.
00:27:23
Mushrooms will grow, so you're kind of you're kind of simulating the outdoor climate.
00:27:29
So you know.
00:27:30
Mold does grow in nature's. I guess it, can, you know, cohabitate in the same tub. I try to prevent mold as much as possible, but you know, because I'm not in a fully sterile environment, things do pop in here and there.
00:27:42
And you just use regular tap water.
00:27:44
You're not filtering it or any of.
00:27:45
That I I always use distilled water to humidify my tubs.
00:27:50
OK.
00:27:50
So if it's manual with a sprayer or via the humidifier, I always use distilled water.
00:27:56
But if I'm rehydrating, I'm not paying money for that much distilled water and I've read online that it's not necessary.
00:28:03
So.
00:28:05
Because I don't want to buy distilled water by the drum so the tap water for the next flush is is just fine.
00:28:12
And I picked up you, told me about the humidifier and using distilled water I didn't realize for the spray bottle too.
00:28:14
Yeah.
00:28:16
I was using filtered so I might need to change that out.
00:28:19
Yeah, people people say distilled again all this stuff to me is subjective 'cause I just haven't seen any studies.
00:28:26
You know, Mossy Creek mushrooms is ******* awesome, but they're not publishing, you know, studies at Johns Hopkins Hopkins on how to grow mushrooms.
00:28:34
So bottom line is your feedback is just as valuable as mine will meet in the middle and just figure out what works.
00:28:39
Perfect.
00:28:40
Just like in it.
00:28:41
Man created repeatable process and you can follow the function.
00:28:44
Process yeah, so we talked about flushes.
00:28:48
We talked about spawn transfer.
00:28:50
I also want to talk about I showed you.
00:28:54
And I feel like I'm in and out of the mic here, but I showed you just earlier before the podcast.
00:28:59
What happens if you don't blackout certain portions of your mycelium?
00:29:05
If you're growing in a in a mono tub or a bag, or in this case I was experimenting with a jar.
00:29:10
If you want to grab that jar.
00:29:13
We can describe it to the listening audience.
00:29:17
So I have a jar sitting here where my mycelium grew mold on top, so I wanted to see what happen if my jar even though it had a bunch of mold on top.
00:29:28
If I took the mold off and threw some Coco choir or some substrate I should say Coco choir vermiculite and gypsum on top an.
00:29:37
Just let it sit there. So this was from 811 initially from August, and then I probably took it out a couple months ago and said, you know what? Let's see what happens. So between the time that I took it out, let's say there's probably some time in.
00:29:52
December.
00:29:54
Between between then and now, I have a some mushrooms growing this is old as **** That's like what? 5-6 months old?
00:29:58
Yeah.
00:30:00
Yeah, that Sparks.
00:30:01
The question is the oldest jar you.
00:30:02
Have in here I mean I haven't kept the other ones around 'cause I dried out.
00:30:06
The bottom line is the reason that you're rehydrating your cakes like we're doing.
00:30:09
The second flush is because the cake just can't dry out.
00:30:12
If the cake fully dries out, then the mycelium is not as useful an mushrooms just can't grow from it.
00:30:18
So what we're always trying to do is keep the cake hydrated enough to produce mushrooms.
00:30:23
And that's why you're providing the humidity.
00:30:24
Maybe that's why you're you know, rehydrating between the flush is.
00:30:28
If you were using the PF cakes, the PF Tek method, you would have to take those cakes and rehydrate all those cakes the same way it would just be a smaller footprint that you'd be working with.
00:30:38
Man, I'm waiting on my cakes.
00:30:39
They are slow.
00:30:41
Well, I mean your experiment experimenting with more than just like B plus and Golden teacher. I mean if you're doing BB plus and Golden teacher, those things grow quickly as fuc Golden teacher grows. I mean like weeds, B plus is right there behind it, sometimes worse sometimes.
00:30:57
Better depending on you know how much volume you're working with.
00:31:01
Yeah, I got blue mini in the first set that I did in late December and they're 70% just creeping their way around Golden teachers already catching. Yeah, I mean.
00:31:10
No.
00:31:10
The so it depends if you if you're starting off totally, go with B plus Golden teacher, but if you're more experienced and you know you're you're expanding your portfolio, if you will, then definitely look you know other ones and just know.
00:31:19
Full
00:31:24
You have to be a little extra patient if you're going like albino.
00:31:27
You know things like.
00:31:27
That what was your first?
00:31:30
My first one was Golden teacher.
00:31:33
Yeah, Golden teacher.
00:31:35
My first mushroom.
00:31:37
Yeah, it's a sweet time.
00:31:38
Did you grow much Golden teacher now?
00:31:41
Yeah yeah, I have it in the mix.
00:31:43
PS Amazonian has been like I love its potency and it's really easy to grow so that Miss Adipex.
00:31:50
Those have been my favorites like off strains that I've been playing with.
00:31:53
But I always have Golden teacher in view plus just 'cause it's an easy win.
00:31:57
Yeah it's nice to have that in your part.
00:31:58
Their classic for a reason, right?
00:32:00
Yeah, it's like it's like if you have your favorite move like in jujitsu you like switching it up here and there just to know.
00:32:05
It's in your back pocket, yeah?
00:32:05
Yeah, exactly yeah, that's perfect.
00:32:08
So here we are.
00:32:09
So bottom line is, do not make sure that your mycelium is exposed to light in an area that you're not willing to harvest from, and I'm looking at the side of the jar right now.
00:32:19
I'm not willing to harvest from the side of the jar, so the mushroom basically hits the wall of the jar and just gets mushed and basically suffocate.
00:32:27
So this is really cruel and unusual punishment.
00:32:30
What I've done to these poor mushrooms.
00:32:31
They're suffocating in their own.
00:32:35
That in in their own selves.
00:32:37
Yeah, these are like four or five inch mushrooms.
00:32:39
Yeah, they had potential.
00:32:39
I mean there there are substantial.
00:32:42
So as a father as a as an aspiring father of more mushrooms.
00:32:47
I'm also a future regular father like human Father.
00:32:51
But as an aspiring father of more mushrooms I promise to do a better job in the future and not suffocate my mid grown mushrooms.
00:33:01
RIP, So what? What are your goals man? Are you? I mean we're not going to sell him 'cause it's not legal to sell them, but what are your goals long term with mycology?
00:33:11
Man, yeah this is an interesting question so well.
00:33:14
First of all, I'm trying to buy a house in the next, probably six months and so then I'll actually.
00:33:16
OK.
00:33:19
And I do remember you saying that, and Congrats in advance.
00:33:21
Yeah, thank you yeah, so looking for a basement like this.
00:33:24
Use that as a workshop and I'd like to grow some edible mushrooms too.
00:33:30
Just it's a fun hobby.
00:33:32
I really gotta say for anybody out there who's on the fence about it.
00:33:35
By all means give it a shot and then you can kind of tiptoe your way in.
00:33:40
And if you don't like it, you can always back out, but I do want to try out experimenting with micro dosing, so having you know a stockpile to be able to support that would be.
00:33:45
Yeah.
00:33:50
Absolutely.
00:33:51
Appreciated.
00:33:51
Yeah, that makes.
00:33:52
Sense, yeah, and other than that I think just ensuring that.
00:33:56
We have a few good weekends.
00:33:57
You get trips here and there.
00:33:58
I mean, you know my fiance is really into it too and she's she's been walking the process with me.
00:34:03
Awesome.
00:34:03
So you know, we we did the spawning last night into the bulk substrate and she's been kind of doing each step of her own jars too, so she's learning it too, and she's having a lot of fun so.
00:34:14
I love it, man, and that's that's kind of the same thing here.
00:34:15
Yeah.
00:34:17
I mean, for me it's you know I'm not trying to grow a.
00:34:21
Like a drug empire, yeah?
00:34:23
I mean if it goes federally legal, then hey, we'll have another conversation, but for me it's like educating other people on on how to better themselves and how to have a a useful, productive hobby.
00:34:37
I mean, that's ******* awesome.
00:34:39
Yeah, and the experimenting is just it's fun both on the consumption and on the production, right?
00:34:43
Yeah.
00:34:43
Like?
00:34:44
Growing different strains takes a little bit different.
00:34:48
Little bit different recipe each time and I would say the same on consuming, you know, I've tried your PS Amazonian.
00:34:54
Yeah man, you know that's fun.
00:34:56
That was great.
00:34:56
That was a great trip so.
00:34:57
And I look forward to receiving, you know, some.
00:35:00
From you as well, yeah.
00:35:00
Oh absolutely, so you know, that's the that's all the fun of it, yeah?
00:35:03
Yeah, I mean it's like when I was a kid we would trade garbage pail kids, you know, garbage pail kids were were vulgar people thought they were vulgar, but they were near and.
00:35:10
Dear to my heart.
00:35:11
Now you're trading mushrooms.
00:35:14
Will keep on keeping on man.
00:35:15
I love it so far.
00:35:16
So yeah we have the same kind of goals and I'm gonna try to make some chocolates and stuff and so we can have fun with different varieties.
00:35:22
But it's just fun to see something from start to finish that you are complete and complete control over that is making people happy.
00:35:30
Whether it be you or others.
00:35:31
And it's a lot like jujitsu in the sense that you know once you get to the advanced level, there is so much more to unravel than you really think.
00:35:39
And just learning, OK, I can get through my first flush, awesome.
00:35:43
That's just step one of putting on the uniform, right?
00:35:46
We're talking about genetics and picking out the best of the batch.
00:35:48
Yeah.
00:35:48
And you know, making your spore prints and starting fresh and cloning the good ones.
00:35:52
And you know, man, I'm looking forward to that part.
00:35:54
Beautiful jargon, all that beautiful jargon and as a listener an if it sounded like gibberish.
00:35:55
Yeah.
00:35:59
What came out of our mouth?
00:36:01
Trust me, get into it.
00:36:03
Start watching the videos again.
00:36:04
I consider this conversation the least nerdy of the ones you're going to find.
00:36:08
However, formulate your own opinion and you'll get all kinds of colorful individuals showing you how to grow mushrooms.
00:36:14
And I love it.
00:36:15
And they've taught me a lot.
00:36:17
I want to mention Shroomery org as what I feel to be the least aesthetically pleasing website of all time.
00:36:26
As a grower, you're going to come across this damn website and my friend Brian, who's an OG of growing and he's going to be on the podcast. I'm going to give him 'cause he always points me to shroomery.org. If you pull up this damn website, it is the most eyesore. I sorry if that's a word.
00:36:44
Of.
00:36:45
Websites.
00:36:46
I am grinning so hard 'cause I actually meant to ask you where you get your content like this and I couldn't agree more about this website and.
00:36:50
Good.
00:36:53
Dude, somebody is dropping the ball. It's like when you used to use Craigslist and be like hey can somebody to update the UI for the love of God. I shroomery.org so you're going to go to shroomery.org and there's going to be. I don't even know how to navigate this thing. You can search your search will search auger.
00:37:08
Alright, so we're searching shroomery.org and it just has this archaic. It's like Windows 3.1 sort of interface and you explore and it's just red background blue, black background, white text. I get a headache just reading one sentence of what you'd find on shrooms.
00:37:26
September 19th, 2006 right?
00:37:30
I can't believe you've actually went to the website.
00:37:32
I usually just Google my question an it's the first option.
00:37:34
Well, that's the problem. Like I always when I see shroomery.org I always look for other alternatives 'cause I know my eyes are about to get tortured.
00:37:34
OK, perfect.
00:37:41
Do use Reddit up some of the pages there.
00:37:43
Sometimes, sometimes.
00:37:44
Yeah, there's some good Reddit threads.
00:37:46
I personally like the videos 'cause I'm like a 5 year old and I want to picture book.
00:37:50
You know, I don't want to read anything, but at this point I feel like you know we.
00:37:54
We can pick and choose like we don't have to get stuck with shroomery.org if we don't want to.
00:37:58
Yeah, and I I agree with the videos, that's usually what I what I do if I want to, you know, learn a specific step in the process or see you know a different method.
00:38:06
But if I'm just looking to like scroll through something, get some content and there's people asking really good questions that, then I get to benefit from their questions.
00:38:13
Exactly.
00:38:13
And hey, is this contamination hey, is you know what's up with this?
00:38:16
And then I check out the comments or so I learn it.
00:38:18
Good strategy yeah, so shroomery.org, good luck if that's your information portal of choice. I disagree with it. I think they should up their game, but if 2006 is the most recent post and maybe their game is no longer uses it, it's retired if you will.
00:38:30
OK, yeah.
00:38:33
So one last thing I want to talk about and I know we're kind of on the same side of this is.
00:38:38
Like people are so pist off these days like there's so many **** *** people and I went through a period in my life where I was really ****** Often it was because I just had a lot going on and I had no way to to deal with it.
00:38:50
But I feel bad man, there's just tons of people out there.
00:38:53
I'm speaking not specifically of the the people that voted for Donald Trump, but.
00:38:58
There's a whole like half of our nation is pist off and I feel like man somebody just gotta look at whether it be mushrooms or other things that are shown to provide people happy.
00:39:08
Iness that maybe like.
00:39:10
Stigmatized is wrong because of past generations.
00:39:14
Inability to explore it further or understand really what benefits it has.
00:39:18
But I feel like now is the time.
00:39:20
Now is the best time of any to try to make that other part of the country a little bit happier.
00:39:26
Totally agree and you know it is interesting.
00:39:29
You mentioned the AMC stock price recently.
00:39:31
You know when AOC and Ted Cruz agree on something and that's that these Robinhood apps that shouldn't be restricting some of that activity.
00:39:38
Yeah, Oh yeah, you know, maybe that's the event that kicks us in the right direction.
00:39:41
Oh
00:39:41
Hopefully we're turning the corner.
00:39:42
Ted Cruz, if I never hear that name again, but yeah, try to make people happier.
00:39:45
Oh
00:39:48
So if.
00:39:48
I mean, I realized the pharmaceutical companies are the big lobbyists that are, you know, padding the pockets of certain politicians.
00:39:55
But if you really care, if you objectively want to help people, you have to look at mushrooms as an alternative solution.
00:40:02
You cannot look at ADHD medication and depression medication and anything else that's really governed by pharmaceutical companies.
00:40:10
As the first alternative, it just can't be that way forever.
00:40:13
It's gotta change.
00:40:14
In the scheduling of drugs now suffocates any.
00:40:17
Yeah.
00:40:17
So I think that's step one, because then we can do research and then we can come out with the benefits and the same thing with marijuana.
00:40:22
I mean it's.
00:40:23
Yeah, how are we going to learn about it if we can't even study it and we're never going to move forward, so that's got to be the step one.
00:40:28
Yeah, all the.
00:40:29
All the money that they're spending like as to try to thwart the use or the propagation of recreational drugs.
00:40:37
It's just it's a waste of money.
00:40:38
There's so many better places to put that money.
00:40:41
How liberating it is it to live in Denver where you can walk around a corner, walk into a dispensary, grab what you want, go home?
00:40:48
To where you grow mushrooms and know hey nobody is knocking down my door because none of this is is allowed to be prosecuted.
00:40:54
Yeah, it's beautiful, and I mean I'm not saying we need to be Oregon an just legalize everything because there are certain drugs that are purely used for euphoria and just are habit forming and really should be treated separately.
00:41:07
But you can't put any entheogens anything that's going to expand your mind that doesn't have addictive tendencies and doesn't kill anybody you can't.
00:41:14
Make that a schedule one substance just.
00:41:16
Can't, so we're going to have to change that.
00:41:18
Yeah, and an I always fall back to the thought that I want to know what it's doing right?
00:41:24
And I can't I I smoke it all the time.
00:41:26
Yeah, I can't learn about it because it's illegal to even study it so.
00:41:31
I'd love to know.
00:41:32
But here's the way I look at it too.
00:41:33
Yeah.
00:41:33
And you can sit and you can read all the books you want.
00:41:37
You know, if you don't really want to be knowledgeable and people want to see you as scholarly.
00:41:40
Then you read all the books you want. You talk about it right, but all those are other peoples opinions. All those are things coming from other people's heads. If you really want to see what's in your head, you can't read a book. You have to explore it so you can meditate. You can do yoga. I take baths. You know you can do a lot of different things, but
00:42:01
Taking entheogens taking psychedelics is one of those things, and it doesn't harm any.
00:42:05
But obviously if you don't take it in the right set and setting that's on you.
00:42:09
But if you take it with the right intentions, there's absolutely nobody harmed in the process, and all it can possibly do is better you.
00:42:17
And how many times when you watch a bad situation play out in a social situation.
00:42:22
You know, maybe a a boss getting mad at the team or you know whatever the situation is and you can see it so clearly because you're on the outside looking in.
00:42:30
Right?
00:42:30
It is so obvious.
00:42:31
And then that's how I feel sometimes when I smoke and for sure when I'm on mushrooms where you kind of get that ability to attach.
00:42:38
Look at yourself from the outside.
00:42:40
Just as an outsider and you kind of wake up to some of those realizations of like, oh.
00:42:44
You know that that's me, that's what I'm doing.
00:42:45
Yeah.
00:42:47
Well, and I was I had this. I can't remember if I talked about this on the podcast, but if I did I apologize. This is redundant. I was having an issue with my accountant. We had submitted all of the stuff that he asked for for our taxes and we submitted everything and for some reason my wifes W2 didn't make it to the portal that we submit all our documents to.
00:43:07
So he just filed everything without her W2 and then we're getting penalized after the fact 'cause we didn't file her W2 and I went back and I was like hey, what's going on here? He's like. Well you didn't give me her W2 and I'm like well.
00:43:22
When I get an account and I want somebody to wipe my *** like I'll give you the baby wipes, but you better wipe my *** 'cause I have no idea what's going on and so I felt a little neglected by this dude.
00:43:31
It was like, well, you didn't give it to me so I didn't file it even though I have no idea what I'm supposed to do when it comes to my taxes.
00:43:37
So I was rationalizing this during a trip during an experience.
00:43:42
And I was like I can write a really nasty review from this dude as I detach from him and I can try to make sure everybody knows you know that this guy did this to me and it hurt me, but by the same token, I can learn to next time like double check myself an.
00:43:59
I don't want to ruin this guy's business 'cause he made a mistake and so I rationalized it that way, but if I would have acted impulsively, I would eroded nasty review. I would detach from this guy. I would have been like **** you and all that other **** but I had a chance to step back and look at it objectively like you said and I made the more mature sustainable.
00:44:19
Agreeable decision in my opinion, and that was because of mushrooms.
00:44:23
Totally so.
00:44:26
I feel it's it's a good way to wind down.
00:44:29
Think of this an you haven't had an experience with entheogens.
00:44:34
Definitely I don't condone recreational use of entheogens until you've really taken it seriously and you understand what you're dealing with, but you know, make sure you have the right setting the right set.
00:44:45
When I say set, I mean mindset.
00:44:47
And if you need somebody to guide you.
00:44:48
So go for it, but there's tons of healing to be had by something that is not synthetic, completely natural and grown by schmucks like us.
00:44:56
Right?
00:44:57
Yeah, I mean, we it's but from caring loving schmuck hands you can get some mushrooms.
00:45:02
In a center.
00:45:03
And a center yeah shaman.
00:45:07
Somebody to look after you.
00:45:08
Yeah, at least for the first time.
00:45:09
Definitely yeah.
00:45:10
Do you use one every time?
00:45:12
Not anymore, but I at first you need somebody to tell you it's not going to last forever.
00:45:13
OK.
00:45:18
I don't care what you formulate in your mind now, your last forever.
00:45:22
Nobody ever died from this.
00:45:24
You can look do some research online.
00:45:26
Nobody ever died from this directly from this.
00:45:28
And if you remember, those two tenants, then the rest of it can kind of work itself out.
00:45:33
But once I had those ingrained in my head and I didn't need somebody to repeat them to me, then I can kinda.
00:45:38
Umm?
00:45:39
Yeah, and and just hearing you say that nobody ever died from this after we just finished the conversation about the drug scheduling.
00:45:42
Ever.
00:45:46
I mean yeah what yeah?
00:45:48
Nobody's ever died from it. It's not addictive in the tests. I'm sure you heard, like with Michael Pollan and Paul Stamets, the rats don't go back for a second dose. It doesn't happen.
00:45:58
There's your scientific proof, not alternative facts, right?
00:46:00
Uh huh.
00:46:02
These are not Fox News dissemination.
00:46:04
This is pure facts.
00:46:06
So we're going to wind this down.
00:46:08
Think about that if you're unhappy.
00:46:09
Happy and you're depressed.
00:46:11
You're anti depressants are not working for you or they're just dulling the pain.
00:46:14
There's an opportunity to actually look inside yourself and and have a more sustainable solution.
00:46:20
Totally.
00:46:20
Andrew, thank you so much for being here, man.
00:46:22
Always this is not the last time you'll hear from Andrew.
00:46:22
Pleasure thank you.
00:46:26
Out.