Episode 6 - Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Mindfulness, and Psychadelic Resets
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Today in the MUstaSH ROOM we have a couple of my buddies from Brazilian jujitsu, Felix and Andrew.
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Andrew is actually a newcomer to the mycology scene to the mushroom cultivation scene.
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And he's actually doing a really good job.
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I'm really meticulous with sterilization techniques and really good.
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Use case for people that are just starting off or you know curious about how to keep a clean, sterilized D contaminated workspace so that's cool.
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Also we talk about Felix is a more seasoned Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner, so he really provides some insight as to how the use of entheogens mushroom specifically can compliment.
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Brazilian jujitsu and some of the psychological marriage between the two.
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So really cool, really.
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Insightful wife, Egil joins us for some info on the Turkey tail strain of mushrooms.
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A lot of cool medicinal value there.
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So that's.
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Informative and really happy to have you back talk about some mishaps with ogor and some other stuff in the pipeline.
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Thank you so much.
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This is episode six of the MUstaSH ROOM pipe.
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The.
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From podcasts still here.
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Still doing this, I have two new guests on the podcast.
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You're welcome and I'm David Ben, your host and thank you so much for being here guys.
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I have two of my buddies from Brazilian jujitsu.
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I have Felix and Andrew.
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I love you guys.
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Thank you for your presence.
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Thanks for having us bro.
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In this answer.
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Really honored.
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Good and I like the fact that you're speaking deep into the mic that was during soundcheck.
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That was a little rough.
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But it was perfect.
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So yeah, this we're doing another one I I'm glad have Andrew here because Andrew is going to have a little bit of a trip report.
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We're going to do an integration.
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It wasn't necessarily a therapeutic session for him, but nonetheless it was a session, so we'll get that going here in a little bit.
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But I do want to introduce you to a couple of good friends of mine.
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Couple guys that also share the same enthusiasm for mycology an just brain expansion and so like throughout the podcast, we don't go into last name, so you'll just have to refer to by their first names.
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But as we go through podcasts, I think you'll really appreciate their perspective.
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Their point of view.
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Love you guys.
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Love you too bro.
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Very kind.
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And so I have a little list of things that I'd like to talk about here and we're drinking Pepsi 0 Sugar. We talked about how the Max, anything but zero Sugar's been deprecated at this point. If you go Dyett, you're not Neo enough for the soda industry, it's.
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Got dye in it.
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Right right saccharin some more.
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All right, so I want to talk first of all about some issues that I've been having with growing.
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I showed you guys my my moldy my contaminated spawn bags.
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I have to admit I've probably not done a great job with D contaminated my workspace but I've had a really bad percentage of spawn bags getting contaminated, showing mold, not producing mycelium, and so I just wanted to.
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Kind of stress the importance of the workspace being completely sterile, 'cause I've wasted a lot of time and a decent amount of money creating those spawn bags that never yielded **** so.
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I want to Andrew wanted to hear you man, you're a new grower and hopefully I helped you get your journey going in the right direction.
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But you've got a really good percentage of success with Mycelium versus mold, and so if you could just talk a little bit to the listening audience, which at this point I hope is growing exponentially.
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But if you can talk and tell them what you've done to mitigate mishap, I'd really appreciate it.
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Absolute.
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Well, I do cheat a little bit.
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I use the pre sterilized jars and bags.
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I can find those.
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I use a grower called outgrow and I buy those on Etsy of all places.
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So I have a pretty cool recommendations page on Etsy with all mushroom supplies you can imagine.
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OK.
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New unofficial sponsor of the podcast.
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New An official sponsor. I love it and you know I took up David. Your recommendation to use a still air box so prior to doing that I take my kitchen which is, you know, maybe 25 square feet. It's pretty small.
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Yes.
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I use a ton of the lysol spray ton of 70% isopropyl alcohol spray the entire place down. I wear the high cuff gloves so I'm going all the way up to the elbow rubbing alcohol over those the entire place. There's no air flow. All the error, the fan, everything is off. I try to keep my cat.
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Good.
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Good.
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Away, so there's nothing else that can kind of float around.
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Shout out to milk in the background over there.
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Exactly.
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And yeah, from there everything is very careful. I wear an N95 mask as well. It's pretty easy to have since we're in the pandemic still and using that it's just very slow movements. I do the sterilize the needle like you said. Again a lot of my recommendations came from you and it's just a really slow, really careful process.
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Yeah.
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I love it.
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And even when I put it into the box where I keep the jars to start forming the mycelium, I'll spray that down with isopropyl alcohol.
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OK.
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Keep that entirely sterile, put it in a box, close it.
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I poke air holes in there so we can still have the gas exchange, and then I tuck it away deep into the closet and I let it sit.
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I try not to check on him whatsoever.
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That's so that is textbook textbook.
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Mycology is like it's taking every possible precaution physically, like environmentally everything to make sure you have success.
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So kudos to you man.
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I have not done all that, I've.
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I've cut corners.
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I used the open oven method for awhile.
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I tried all kinds of different things, but with the amount of stuff I've been trying I just haven't done it to a T like you have.
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So kudos to you, man.
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Well, in one question I have for you 'cause you know mine are growing quite slowly. You mentioned that you shake up your bag or your jar after what? 30% conacyt?
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Yeah, yeah, the rule is an it depends on like what your container is.
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So if you have.
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A small jar. It might be hard to kind of break free the mycelium, but ultimately when you're about 30% colonized, when the mycelium, the white part of whatever you're growing starts to overtake the spawn at about 30% of the total volume. Then you try to shake that up and re distribute the mycelium. So as the mycelium touches other UN.
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Consumed parts of the spawn, it'll just latch onto that spawn and regrow.
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So if you take what you've already colonized and re distribute, you're going to really accelerate your growth rate.
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I would say like four or five times for me from from what I've seen.
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Yeah, and I think I have some jars that are well below that 30%. OK, so I do want to try that method. I've been way overly careful with mine when I pick him up. It's a slow movement just breaking in so I didn't realize that these things are a little bit more resilient than that.
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Don't don't take it for granted man, it's a it's a safety precaution like you know I'd rather not spend money just wastefully by being an idiot and haphazard with the process, so everybody should really take your approach, especially if you're starting if you're just.
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Turning out, it's a it's kind of a let down when you see mold in your ship like that's your baby, right?
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You're trying to make some mushrooms and do some some damage here, but you know the mold just sets you back mentale and from a process standpoint, so good for you man.
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Now Felix you have you ever cultivated have ever grown mushrooms at all?
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I'm
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A professional.
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Eater mostly not really a grower.
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Professional yeah OK well hey, I mean somebody's gotta do the the actual consumption and and report back.
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Yeah, that.
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So that's basically where I come in is.
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Basically.
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I provide feedback for your hard work and dedication that you guys know.
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You know what needs to be improved and how can we move forward into getting me more.
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Desktop OK Without you man, we wouldn't exist, so so feelings.
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Thank you man, thank you.
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I wanted to you are.
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You're much more graduated at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu than myself.
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Andrew, you're more graduated than I am as well.
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But Felix, you've been doing it for a considerable amount of time, and so how long actually have you been doing jujitsu or mushrooms?
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Let's go jujitsu.
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Just for a second.
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Take your take your mind to a slightly different place just temporarily.
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All right, right on. Yeah yeah, it's it's hard for me to like separate once I start like hyper focusing on mushrooms and stuff. Jujitsu I first started when I was 22 so 2001.
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Wow.
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When I was in college, I went.
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The school was 45 minutes South of my school of my college and my home was about 45 minutes North of my college was in opposite direction, so to go train. It was like about an hour and a half each way, so I did that for about a semester and then I quit. Then I started up again in 2004. A little bit. I quit again because I wasn't living in Spain like when once that ended I came.
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Back and then, for serious consistently since 2007 with a little three year break because of injuries. Awesome man, so on and off. Or it's about the longest thing I've ever done very.
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Cool and it shows.
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I mean when we rolled together, I mean it's very, very seamless for you and it shows that you've been doing it awhile, man.
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So impressive stuff.
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I appreciate that man, I mean.
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I mean I, I feel about jiu jitsu.
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How you feel about mushrooms in terms of just like comfort level?
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Yeah, but yeah, I'm I'm a white belt here.
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Where you seem to be the Blackwell, so teach me Yoda.
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Well sucking a man I am.
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I am blushing an that I'm so flattered by that statement.
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But one thing I wanted to ask you, though, have have you found like jujitsu for me?
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One of the things that I really like.
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I'm in my 40s, you know, and it's something that I feel is just as much cerebral as it is physical.
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And I know a lot of our journeys with mushrooms are to.
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Try to get a better SKU.
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8 mentale an.
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I was wondering if there's any crossover between like your practice of jujitsu and like how do you get your mind ready for that or how it benefits you psychologically.
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An like your mushroom experiences and if there's any overlap.
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Oh 100% man, at least for me, I can't speak for the entire community, but there is a huge subculture.
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I.
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Oh
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Of people that are into psychedelics and expanding the mind that are into jujitsu as well.
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I call taking mushrooms, resetting.
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Yeah.
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It's resetting my mind base.
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I've solved World Peace.
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I've come up with all sorts of macro solutions in my mind during a good journey.
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I just never write it down, so like by the time it ends, I forgotten most of everything that I've come up with.
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But at the end of it, I always feel better and an like a new person and jiu jitsu is kind of the same thing.
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Especially before a tournament or something like that, or if I'm just like having an injury and I'm I'm very self conscious about like actually rolling and letting my body do it.
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Thing mushrooms usually somehow assuages the the discomfort and the mental blockage they get in there and just like be more comfortable doing that and it's just like with everything though like it works for me for like depression for PTSD.
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Love that.
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For anything really like mushrooms are just like a reset for your brain and then.
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Your fresh I love it man and yeah.
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Share I share that same perspective, but it's so cool how, like, no matter how you articulated or how it affects you, man, everybody's got that same like I feel fresh and new and you have ready to tackle **** after you have a mushroom experience, I mean.
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Me.
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You can't really take SSR eyes and have that same experience.
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You know, like they may kind of put you in a good mood temporarily, but nothing is going to give you sustained progress like entheogens like psychedelics.
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It's amazing.
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When something that I found is a similarity between the two is you gotta you gotta submit to your ego, you have to let it go.
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You know, in jiu jitsu especially, it's going to be just absolutely no fun.
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Yeah.
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If you don't and I think on terms, you could say the exact same thing.
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Totally good point man.
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Yeah the ego it dies.
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I I love that and I you know I used to be man I used to be a huge just kind of life ***** man like I would.
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Really like I worked out all the time.
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I was GTL all day long like GTL just slamming strange ***** like my wife knows who I used to be right.
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I'm AAA shipshape shower.
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Right, right?
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I mean you got your formula, not my formula now, but I mean it was.
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I was an empty person man and like once I found I did in Ayawaska experience I started doing mushrooms, started doing a lot of introspection, not through the use of psychologists or psychiatrist, but.
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Through just natural **** that I grow in my basement, you know that here in Denver is beautifully decriminalised you know, so I'm just following their path.
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But it's made me less of a piece of **** So, you know, kudos to that.
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Your formula will.
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Your ship shaving was the last one shower.
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I mean, it's a great formula everybody can cherish that.
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Issue XYZ.
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But nobody wants to be a douche back to their entire life.
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So thank you mushrooms for taking me out of that ****** *** persona and making me whole again.
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Yeah, like.
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Mushrooms I think will definitely like.
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Specially I don't call in batch right?
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So just call him challenging trips.
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Trips there you go.
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Those that that like kind of challenge your anxiety kind of challenge your your will to stay in it.
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Somebody once told me and I wanted to ask you, is it?
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Is it really like if you drink milk or eat food like your intensity of your trip will be?
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Diminished, I found in my buddy Patrick who was on one of our first episode a couple of times.
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Actually he recommended using lemon juice and an empty stomach fast for he likes to do 6 to 8 hours.
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Prior to your experience, but he said lemon juice on an empty stomach.
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Good formula and it worked well for me and I know Andrew had a similar experience.
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Right?
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Exactly.
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Yep, that was the method I followed without full 8 hour fast empty stomach.
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OK.
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Yeah, I mean I still in the morning.
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I woke up and I had a banana I think.
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Just something to give me something in my stomach.
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But I think you know, with your mindset and your intentions and what's kind of in your system.
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It's kind of a cocktail of all.
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That stuff so.
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For you guys that can't see Bend and Andrew or two pretty ripped individuals.
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Thank you, I'm more what you would call fat, so I processed food and digesting's much lower than these two animals.
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So I have to kind of leave.
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I have to fast for 8 hours if I have any food in my stomach then these mushrooms go to how like just my trip is gone.
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OK so I have to cut it up.
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Really really really chop it fine like I've pre chewed it 'cause I also can't stand the taste.
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Sometimes it makes me gag and I leave him in raw honey and lemon juice sitting 'cause that helps break up the psilocin already treat so.
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Oh
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So it's like pre digestive enzymes before I eat him to make him even stronger so.
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Does it kick in much quicker?
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Much quicker and and I also I it's more efficient consum.
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OK of the whole piece where asked again, I'm fat so I digest things differently and my metabolism is much slower.
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So you know by the time, the the.
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So I lessons gone into my system.
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So.
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A lot of it has kind of been depleted and gone through like my digestive fluids and then just wasted push it.
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Interesting, interesting.
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So when you do this method, it's it's like it's basically.
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Pre digested and pre metabolize.
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And then you eat it and it's we should all do this next weekend.
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Yeah no, absolutely absolutely.
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In his report and see how you feel.
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And I like.
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So another thing about me is until I started doing mushrooms, I'm pretty much like a fly by the seat of your pants when I'm mixing **** up.
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Kind of guy like if you put me in the kitchen everything is to taste right?
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I mean there's no recipe, so it's taught me to be a little bit more meticulous with my recipes so.
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The fact you have a recipe, it's tried and true.
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We have a system that makes me feel so much better about collective.
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Of psychedelics for.
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Sure, if you guys are like me and you can't stand chewing on them raw or dry gross, just it, just it makes me dry heave.
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Yeah, this is basically a shot of pre chewed.
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Sludge that you're putting into your mouth.
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All public.
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Are you gonna like babybird it into my mouth is that it's pretty chewed, I mean.
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It's pretty wild me too.
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I will bro.
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I mean everyone.
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Not ready.
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We're not that close yet.
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So.
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So does that help with the nausea that you feel after eating?
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You know at least.
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It when I've chewed it and swallowed it didn't like the taste of followed by knowledge. About 3045 minutes later.
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So everybody is different here. Like my wife, for example, she she recently broke my heart. She told me she's never going to eat him again because she spends like 75% of the time tripping into the toilet bowl. Like, you know she's barfing. She's having intense visuals, but like they're coming off of her reflection in the water of the toilet bowl. So that's not really a good place.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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To be wow.
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And I again I wonder if that's something to do with, like how they're growing or if it's just her immediate reaction.
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I don't really get that myself.
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Well, from.
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From I don't know if you had similar experiences, but when I did ayawaska, the people that vomited the most, the people that Purge the most or the people that just were kind of fighting stuff.
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So I don't know if she like fully submitting or is she fighting something in.
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The process so.
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I guess because she's peak so much before that like she just kind of mentali blocked exactly.
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Two add and.
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Just that's like her self fulfilling prophecy.
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Almost is like I know I'm going to get sick and here.
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It is I'm getting sick.
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Thanks.
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That sucks too man 'cause puking?
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I mean I ******* hate puking.
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It's one of the worst things ever.
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So if she shares that same view of it?
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I mean that's gotta be in the back of your.
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Head all the time.
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Unless you're eating peyote.
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E puking is disgusting, but if you're eating peyote E, that's just how like.
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It starts.
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It's well.
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To be continued on that one, I can't fully corroborate that yet, but to be continued, I that's awesome.
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I'm so glad that we got a chance to talk about that.
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'cause with jujitsu like comes a whole new part of your brain in your life.
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And I love that the mushrooms are complementing yours the same way they are.
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Mine and I don't know if you've had this before, but like as.
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When you're tripping, do you start thinking about jujitsu with like chaining and and making combinations of moves.
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And like I wonder.
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If somebody took my back, if I did this, what would happen like?
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It kind of just amplifies.
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It's like weed on steroids, basically like it just gives you another dimension of of avenues to enter and focus on things and think and come up with.
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New solutions totally and like going into it.
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I mean it.
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It sets your brain back to like you know, you're this adolescent, just not having any preconceived notions so.
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With that, yeah, jujitsu is less of like what I failed at.
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More of like just what is the smorgasbord of opportunities and decisions?
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We made so I can't say that I've done it specifically.
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My intentions have usually been slightly different, but absolutely anything where there's strategy involved.
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I could see I could give you a completely different way to look at things.
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That's awesome.
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That's awesome.
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I wanted to talk about my auger.
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I have also had some issues with Auger.
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I haven't taken the listeners through the whole auger prep process.
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An I told Al, Andrew, and Felix that we're going to do.
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Or I'll do some Agra demonstration on video or in person or something upcoming.
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But basically oguer is your gelatin based growth medium for the early phase of mycelium growth.
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So.
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Push it in the fridge.
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They sit in the fridge. Nice, yeah, this **** in my brand new not my brand new my new acquisition. My $40 fridge.
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I have my Agra plates in their their Petri dishes and the auger construct is there's an actual component called Auger and then there's yeast, nutritional, yeast and.
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What is it you use it to make beer?
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Some sort of barley mix?
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There's like 3 main ingredients.
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I'll post it whenever I decide to make a website, but you make this auger.
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You pressure cook it, you sterilize it and you pour this liquid based stuff.
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And it turns into gel into the Petri dishes and then you introduce spores or liquid culture or some sort of form of.
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Early phase of mushroom and it overtakes the medium.
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But the problem is I had them just kind of sitting in a box out of my basement.
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I didn't have them like at the right temperature which is supposed to be like sub 50 degrees like in the 40s somewhere.
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That's what I've been doing.
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There's not really a firm.
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Some degree that you should have, but that's what people have been saying, but I put it in the fridge probably too late.
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I'd say I inoculated my dishes in late July and then I went back and tried to use some.
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Recently.
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It's now January of the following year they dried out, so I had probably 20 or 30 Agar plates that just totally dried out.
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So instead of having like fuzzy mycelium on top of that growth medium, it was just like dried out spider webs so.
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The the the whole moral is ****** Long story is that if you want to grow Auger, make sure that there's a certain amount of time.
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Do you want to store before before you use it?
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If you have like bags that you're going to inoculate or something like that, make sure that there's a short window before your auger has to be reused for the next step, 'cause it will dry out.
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And how is the contamination risk when you are inoculating the auger?
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Plates compared to like for example a self healing injection port.
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So that's a good question with the so obviously once the oggers poured, so the Agar gets poured into the Petri dish an you put the pair of film around it to kind of keep it safe.
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Once you open that Petri dish to introduce your spores or your mycelium.
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That's where that's where your might.
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That's where your contamination comes in.
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So you just want to have the smallest possible.
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Or gap in between your Petri dish lid and base in your still air box in your D contaminated environment and you increase your chances of having less contamination.
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Do you sterilize the needle under the flame?
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Absolutely, always yeah any, any scalpel that you use to extract the auger or cut the auger.
00:21:15
Any needle that you used to introduce spores into the auger no matter what you do, it all needs to be flame sterilized good.
00:21:23
And yeah, if you keep the Petri dish open and you try to just, you know, cover whatever you're working on with just as little airflow with as much protection as possible, you increase your chances.
00:21:34
The good thing with Agra, though, is you'll know pretty quickly if you ****** it up if you introduce the spores, Agra will show you the mold or just won't grow almost immediately.
00:21:42
So it saves you the heartache of waiting like a month before she.
00:21:45
It just doesn't work.
00:21:46
So that's why I go really helps out.
00:21:48
Felix is looking at me like I have no idea.
00:21:50
We're talking about, but you guys lost me at inoculation or honest.
00:21:54
He
00:21:57
But those of you that are listening that know the jargon, you're welcome for all of that.
00:22:01
I did start casing in a bag.
00:22:05
So and you know the casing is right.
00:22:10
Explain it to me.
00:22:10
Alright, so once you get your mycelium fully grown, like those jars that we were looking at, the cakes are fully white, ready to go.
00:22:17
The next phase is to mix it with this stuff called casing right?
00:22:21
So what that does is it allows the spawn and the mycelium to now expand even further.
00:22:26
Intrude into a nutrient rich moisture rich substance.
00:22:31
To create this ultimate cake for fruiting for producing the mushrooms.
00:22:34
So what I'm doing is instead of using the mono tubs which give you this huge amount of surface area to grow from.
00:22:40
I'm taking it down a notch and I'm actually going to do that inside of one of the mushroom backs, so I'm going to take my jar or my cakes of mycelium mix all that stuff with the casing mixture, which is Coco choir, the herova coconut vermiculite, which is a nutritional substance that they use with Flowers and **** like that and then also.
00:23:02
Little bit of coffee, an gypsum, plaster Paris.
00:23:05
That's my my casing, so I mix that with the mycelium and I'm going to put it in the mushroom bag and I'm going to grow from there so I haven't gotten past like 3 days of having this stuff sitting in the bag, but essentially in the bag.
00:23:19
My mushroom should just grow right inside that back.
00:23:22
Basically vertically, vertically in a tower.
00:23:24
Actually, if you want to grab Andrew grab, there's a bucket sitting up on top.
00:23:29
If you go around back in the basement, there's like an orange lid on it.
00:23:34
If you want to carefully take that bucket and bring it over, I'll show you what I'm doing.
00:23:37
Those of you listening sorry you can't see **** will try to describe it as vividly as possible.
00:23:42
So when you do this method, does it affect how the mushrooms grow in terms of size and length?
00:23:48
It does because so we're looking at the bags right now.
00:23:52
If you want to take that lid off, gently take one of those bags.
00:23:55
So you can see here this is.
00:23:59
What do I have written on the side?
00:24:00
What's the strain?
00:24:01
Binary.
00:24:02
Albino ***** envy in a I think it's a 3 pound maybe a 5 pound mushroom bag.
00:24:08
One of the bags with like the filter.
00:24:12
Just standard mushroom bag and then I have around the base of it I have.
00:24:17
A piece of paper that's keeping the light out of the actual components of the bag, but it's allowing.
00:24:25
Moisture to kind of accumulate.
00:24:27
It's allowing the gas to exchange up through the filter, Patch Patch, and basically I'm doing everything that the mono tub would do, but just inside of a bag instead.
00:24:36
So for you.
00:24:37
Guys out there that are like me this it looks kind of like a coffee bag with a hole and it's basically trapping moisture right?
00:24:44
Trapping moisture.
00:24:46
Yeah, it's cultivating that ultimate.
00:24:48
Cake and yeah, the moisture is part of it because without the right combination of moisture and light and CO2 and all that stuff, it's not going to give them a chance to grow. The cool thing about what you said though Felix if you can see how the bag like you said, a coffee bag has it just goes straight up into a point almost like a cake hat, right?
00:25:07
Yeah.
00:25:08
Kind of does look like, I mean.
00:25:08
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:10
This is the season is talking about the KKK so we all know this is a very liberal progressive non hatred based podcast.
00:25:10
Bertha.
00:25:17
So we're all good.
00:25:18
There were lovers, not fighters.
00:25:18
Probably.
00:25:19
Yeah, but you can see here.
00:25:20
I have a layer of wax paper on.
00:25:23
But so there's a layer of wax paper on top of the mixed casing and mycelium, and then it's wrapped to keep the light out.
00:25:30
So what I'm hoping is after about a week it will be completely white inside the bag and I'll be able to take off this wax paper, take off the shield that's keeping the light out, and expose this thing to the elements to allow it to grow.
00:25:44
But the mushrooms are going to grow straight up by keeping the light out of the side.
00:25:48
It's going to say don't grow towards the dark.
00:25:50
Don't go towards the light so they're going to grow straight up and I'll probably get much longer stems of mushrooms.
00:25:56
So when you eat mushrooms, what what is more potent, the stock or the stem?
00:26:02
Well, I don't think there is a difference.
00:26:06
I don't know exactly because I haven't been able to find an objective piece of literature on that.
00:26:11
So if anybody can correct me and give me a scientific answer, I'd love it.
00:26:16
But from what I've heard, there might be a little more concentrate in the cat because the spores.
00:26:22
Could potentially contribute to that.
00:26:24
But from what I've seen, everybody just kind of piles it all together and just uses that as one piece of psilocybin.
00:26:33
And in these bags, would you just get like one massive like Smurf House popping up, or would it be like several stems or like what happens like in terms of growth?
00:26:41
Good question so you can see here this bag.
00:26:43
I don't know what is this.
00:26:44
What do you think the dimensions of this bag are?
00:26:48
6 inch diameter movie.
00:26:50
Yeah 6 by 4 or something like that.
00:26:52
Yeah.
00:26:53
With that you'll get.
00:26:56
Basically, mushroom pins popping out of the white mycelium so the entire brick inside the bag will be white and then when it's ready, when it's kind of worked its way through, the mycelium seen the light experience.
00:27:09
The atmosphere you'll see these little pins.
00:27:12
They look like little.
00:27:15
They just little white pins, like little stems that have Brown tops and they start to get bigger and bigger from a tiny little pin.
00:27:23
So once you see those those are.
00:27:25
You know the infants for the mushrooms, but you won't get just one big aggregate of mushrooms.
00:27:30
You'll get a bunch of different mushrooms growing out from different points in the mycelium.
00:27:35
Yeah.
00:27:35
And what's the benefit of the bag versus the fruiting chamber?
00:27:38
'cause I'm just getting that stage now and got a few questions for the fruiting.
00:27:41
Chamber, yeah, so with the bag.
00:27:43
The cool thing is, is the footprints way smaller, right?
00:27:45
So you know you could have an entire rack of bags.
00:27:49
Scores of bags set up where you can see here I only have capacity for like 10 mono tubs on a huge lab based rack system.
00:27:55
On here.
00:27:58
So in that same system that I had there with those 10 mono tubs I could put just scores, maybe hundreds.
00:28:05
I don't know based on how I stack em, tons of bags can go in there so it gives me more real estate to work with.
00:28:11
So for you guys listing out there, Ben has more of your traditional basement setup, whereas Andrew is a city dweller in a small apartment.
00:28:18
So he has to compartmentalize and make everything as small and efficient as possible because there is no space where he lives.
00:28:22
Exactly.
00:28:24
Yeah, I mean like if you have a tiny house and you're looking to do mushrooms like you gotta, space is a big issue so the bags are a good way for you to maybe play with multiple strains.
00:28:32
Like you know one mono tub could actually produce maybe 6 or 7 bags so it just gives you a chance to kind of play around with different stimulus in your process, or different strains or whatever you want to do.
00:28:45
Might it flush more frequently, but you get more flushes out of it just because picturing it's only growing on a very small surface area, but deep.
00:28:54
You know?
00:28:55
What the focus?
00:28:56
I don't know.
00:28:57
Good question.
00:28:57
Good question.
00:28:58
So first I don't know because this is my first entry into the bag fruiting process, so to be continued.
00:29:06
I think it would.
00:29:07
I think it would be based on your substrate, like how thick and how active your substrate is, but I will have to report back with the specifics now.
00:29:15
Fruiting Felix for you fruiting is when you actually start making the mushrooms, so this is when.
00:29:21
You've mixed your casing with your substrate.
00:29:26
Your mycelium has completely overtaken everything and you've now exposed it to the light you've exposed it to the environment and you're just waiting for the mushrooms to grow.
00:29:35
That's the fruiting process, so.
00:29:36
Yeah, but I believe you were looking for flush, is that right?
00:29:40
Flush is yeah, but I also did not know what fruiting is.
00:29:40
Oh, flush is.
00:29:43
To be fair, so unless you're talking about, put it in your mouth and chew it.
00:29:47
I I have no clue what we're talking about half the time.
00:29:49
Kick him out of the time.
00:29:50
And do you want to explain what a flush is?
00:29:52
I'll give it my best shot, but I've not been able to witness one myself.
00:29:55
So essentially, once your mushrooms come to fruition, they're ready to be picked.
00:30:00
You pick him off, but it doesn't take away everything else, right?
00:30:03
There's still the mycelium in the roots that are there, and it will grow more mushrooms so you can get, I think, two to three flashes is about average, but I've never gotten that phase, so.
00:30:12
I've gotten like 7 before.
00:30:13
So really.
00:30:14
Yeah, but essentially a flush is just one harvest of mushrooms.
00:30:18
Just one here I am here, all my mushrooms.
00:30:21
Once you pull him out, then like Ender said, you could have two or three or potentially more iterations of that same sprout of mushrooms, and that's a flush.
00:30:29
So in one of these tubs and for listeners you can't see.
00:30:32
It's basically something that you buy from target, just your standard.
00:30:35
We already called mono tub.
00:30:36
Yeah, just a big Tupper Ware bin or Rubbermaid bin.
00:30:40
Yeah yeah.
00:30:40
So one of those and all the flushes combined.
00:30:44
How much average you know on an easy strain, would that yield in a dried mushroom form?
00:30:52
Man, you know the different strains have different sized mushrooms.
00:30:56
They might be plus have had really like voluminous flushes.
00:31:01
I would say on average.
00:31:04
Are you breaking the ounce threshold?
00:31:07
I don't think so now now if I have a really active substrate, maybe, but I'd have to come back with some facts.
00:31:08
OK.
00:31:13
I haven't done my due diligence to measure.
00:31:15
That **** out.
00:31:16
So.
00:31:16
So for my pods at home, Jack Herrer would be the easiest strain to grow.
00:31:21
That would provide the biggest yield.
00:31:23
At the most cost effective.
00:31:26
Price point, what would be the equivalent to a Jack herrer in the mushroom world?
00:31:30
For those people that are trying to start growing stuff and good question, be something that's easy to grow that will provide a **** ton.
00:31:36
Of stuff to eat?
00:31:37
That's Andrew is actually a good test case there we've.
00:31:40
I've started with the same strains Golden Teacher an B plus are your standard like starter?
00:31:47
Reliable quickly for like they just give you everything.
00:31:51
They're not gonna be your most potent, but they are going to be definitely potent enough to get you where you need to be.
00:31:56
So I mean they're not going to be like rocket ship to the moon, but they're going to be like, you know, good solid solid silver.
00:32:01
I've been trip so I would say Golden teacher an B plus and enter.
00:32:05
You had one other one you stumbled across.
00:32:07
Yeah, I it was Fiji Island and from what I understand it's it's just a little bit more productive than a B plus, but it's equally easy to grow and I buy mine from a lab that is quality spores.
00:32:21
They grow all sorts of sports.
00:32:22
It's a very interesting market out there for psilocybin spores.
00:32:26
What and we don't have any affiliation?
00:32:28
What?
00:32:28
Who do you use?
00:32:29
I use qualitysports.com.
00:32:31
Quality sports dot new unofficial sponsor.
00:32:32
Do you want it?
00:32:33
The podcast.
00:32:34
Awesome well yeah, so hopefully that jargon didn't just overload your brain.
00:32:39
If it did, go take some mushrooms and wind it down, I'm.
00:32:44
Here to dump **** down for you folks.
00:32:46
Dude, I was able to perform an appendectomy at age 14.
00:32:50
I think I can handle a couple mushrooms.
00:32:53
It's not just the TV show.
00:32:54
Jesus Christ, did you see that you know?
00:32:58
Born, its horn was so shiny.
00:33:01
And are you had a New Year's New Year's Eve experience with some psilocybin an I appreciate you coming here to talk about it.
00:33:10
Go tell us.
00:33:11
Yeah.
00:33:11
Well, it was the product of your hard work so that that is something special and I remember on on your first episodes talking about, you know, giving away meat that you may have haunted and giving away shrooms that you grow.
00:33:20
That's a pretty cool.
00:33:22
Pretty cool way to share it so you know.
00:33:23
So.
00:33:25
And I I've also heard you talk a lot about the set in setting, you know, and I couldn't agree anymore.
00:33:30
So the four of us were all really close friends.
00:33:32
We know each other well.
00:33:34
One of them is my fiance.
00:33:35
Obviously we're we're close and we had a cool cabin up in the mountains.
00:33:40
It was for New Years Eve and it was one of those cabins that we rented in the absolute middle of nowhere.
00:33:45
You know you have to pass through a code gate, then a cattle gate.
00:33:48
You know it's just completely remote and it's one of those cabins that people, the owners must pour their heart and soul into.
00:33:54
So there.
00:33:54
Is detailed everywhere that you look.
00:33:56
You know every single part of the cabin is is designed, oriented and so you know we did a little bit.
00:33:59
Very cool.
00:34:02
Different style, it wasn't necessarily, you know, single trips more of just a social environment, so I mean, I think we all took five different doses. My average dose was probably between 1.8 and 2.5 grams.
00:34:15
OK.
00:34:17
Drinking some clause smoking some weed, Yep, and we would. I think for the most part do 2A day except for the first night that we got there. So wake up trip at noon, come down, smoke some weed, have some clause and then do it again and it's just it was a cool environment. Very social. Being able to look around at all the detail in the cab.
00:34:18
Beautiful.
00:34:39
It was more about spending time together and less about an, you know, a specific trip that you know you may have had some kind of unique experience, more so the social environment.
00:34:47
Sure, now let me ask you real quick.
00:34:49
I know Felix has a question to you, said you dosed multiple times throughout the day.
00:34:53
Was there any sort of strategy as to like when you, re dosed or was it just like hey let's let's redose?
00:34:57
Let's go for it.
00:34:58
OK so there was no like I'm gonna wait in this amount of time and.
00:35:01
I mean, I think generally speaking I I've.
00:35:04
I peek at about 2 hours, I think for the most part the whole group did after about 3 hours is when we would smoke and I love those two combinations and right at that point coming down kind of like reinvigorates the mushroom high.
00:35:16
Definitely.
00:35:16
Yeah, and then from there we just kind of relax.
00:35:18
You know when you come down you kind of gotta take a minute to reflect a little and then.
00:35:22
We look around and we say are you guys ready for some more?
00:35:24
I love it.
00:35:25
So was this mushroom taking?
00:35:27
Was this throughout the course of one day, or was this several days?
00:35:30
It was 2 1/2 days so we got there on December 30th. We had our first trip then kind of test out the shrooms. Obviously David's got some pretty potent strains that you provide.
00:35:40
This we want to get familiar with it first and then you know New Year's Eve.
00:35:43
It was morning and night and then New Year's Day, morning and evening.
00:35:47
Did you guys have to increase the amount of mushrooms you took per dose in order to maintain the potency of the trip each time you took it?
00:35:54
It works.
00:35:54
Or how did that work?
00:35:55
I mean, to me it felt like almost the opposite.
00:35:57
But one question I had for David, something that we all kind of recognized was, you know, if we took 2 grams at.
00:36:03
Soon it was a different trip and it might have been because it was light and maybe the visuals just weren't so intense, but when we took it at night it was. It was definitely stronger actually. So you know a 2 gram in the morning and then add on maybe one 1.5 at night. It would still get me to a pretty good place.
00:36:20
Yeah, the I think that's more about setting like I've noticed that when I did ayawaska I had three three ayawaska experiences.
00:36:27
I had two at night and one during the day, and the one that I had during the day was by far the most profound and the most.
00:36:35
The one that affected me the most.
00:36:37
I just had different visuals.
00:36:38
The setting was just a lot more warm and comforting and I think it was setting based so I don't know if that's the biggest factor contributing, but for me when I take it during the day versus at night, the day trips are just so much better and just so much more free.
00:36:55
Whereas the night ones, like in the back of my mind, I know at some point I want to go to bed and I just think that creeps in and causes a.
00:37:00
Little bit of friction.
00:37:01
That's just my the way I see it.
00:37:02
So with Ayawaska as well as with mushrooms, at least for me.
00:37:06
There's a lot of pre work to do before you actually consume this stuff, or you do you guys fast before mushrooms?
00:37:14
And did you do the two weeks prior, two weeks after each time you ate ayawaska?
00:37:19
That's a really good question.
00:37:20
So the three experiences were all in one weekend, but before I went they were very strict about what you consume.
00:37:26
What your your stomach composition would look like?
00:37:29
Go into the into the experience your headspace.
00:37:32
They were really trying to cleanse you and bring you to a good baseline.
00:37:35
Now afterwards, I have to admit I just went and smoke weed almost immediately, but they wanted you to wind up.
00:37:40
Same.
00:37:43
They they wanted you to wind down and kind of like let the effects linger and just see what else comes out of it like post meditative kind of thing but no.
00:37:52
I afterwards I went right back to it I ate a burger almost instantly but going in I did do the prep.
00:37:58
Didn't fast from smoking weed quite that much but in terms of what I ate I was pretty meticulous about it going in.
00:38:04
What about now?
00:38:05
Wagon it.
00:38:06
No wagon it that wasn't on the literature, so so I was whacking it continually going on, yeah?
00:38:09
Indeed.
00:38:11
I've been had.
00:38:12
I was told no sexual experiences of any kind with a partner by yourself, wow.
00:38:18
Yeah, I.
00:38:18
The partner is pretty easy for Felix.
00:38:20
I don't get that much either way, but like what little I get I need.
00:38:21
Yeah, I mean I'm married.
00:38:24
So that's what makes it hard for me that like the pre prep part, is just that's a lot of commitment.
00:38:29
Dude, I did not hear bout that now maybe my experience would have been a lot more rich and vivid if I had abstained, abstained from from that, but nobody told me.
00:38:38
So.
00:38:38
I was whacking it, I think on the bus out.
00:38:40
Yeah.
00:38:41
So.
00:38:41
As you should know.
00:38:42
Yeah, sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
00:38:48
Here we go.
00:38:48
We go and.
00:38:49
We're back yet again with the health segment from wifey.
00:38:51
Jill, what do you got for us this week?
00:38:54
We're going to highlight the Turkey tail.
00:38:57
Now come on.
00:38:58
Come on go.
00:38:58
I was hoping you do that.
00:39:01
Oh, yours is much better than mine.
00:39:04
Jerrod Waters in Tampa have a joke about turkeys bickering like back and forth like old wife and.
00:39:10
And has been yeah.
00:39:10
And husband, yeah.
00:39:11
So bad.
00:39:12
So good alright?
00:39:13
Anyway Turkey tail what?
00:39:14
What is the Turkey tail tell us?
00:39:15
So the Turkey tail got its name from its appearance an A lot of mushrooms get their names from that.
00:39:24
It quite literally looks like Turkey tail.
00:39:27
There is an array of color.
00:39:28
There's it's in that like Half Moon shaped pattern.
00:39:34
So again Google this one.
00:39:36
Check out what the images are, but traditionally they're ingested and pills or in like an extract type form.
00:39:44
So you don't just take a bite out.
00:39:45
Of a Turkey tail I.
00:39:46
I'm.
00:39:46
Mean you probably could, but.
00:39:50
I don't know that if you so like tasty these, these almost look and again, we've not held a Turkey tail before, but they almost look more woodsy where it might be.
00:39:50
We talked about Richie.
00:40:02
Indigestible.
00:40:03
You know if you're just eating it raw or uncooked and it's best to use as an extract.
00:40:08
Yeah, for those of you that are listening again, you can't see this.
00:40:10
I apologize.
00:40:11
But basically Jill what she was saying is it kind of looks.
00:40:15
It's like when you see little like Half Moon things growing out of tree log on the ground.
00:40:22
These are kind of like moldy looking mushrooms, kind of thin if you see it, it makes sense, but.
00:40:29
Yeah, it's not something that you'd see it and be like.
00:40:30
Ooh, that looks delicious.
00:40:31
It kind of looks like a moldy kind of growth, so that's why you probably don't see it in its fullest form.
00:40:38
More of just an extract or something that's.
00:40:40
Anything?
00:40:41
Yeah, exactly so the Turkey tail is mostly popularized when it comes to treating and aiding in cancer.
00:40:49
Sir.
00:40:51
You know the.
00:40:53
What am I trying to say with chemoradiation?
00:40:56
It helps support on the immune system.
00:40:59
It's a big time immune booster, so anyone with a decreased immune system would greatly benefit from the Turkey tail.
00:41:08
It's packed with a ton of antioxidants.
00:41:11
It also is a prebiotic.
00:41:13
Like so it helps improve the gut health.
00:41:17
Good.
00:41:17
Yeah, and just so you know the difference between prebiotic and probiotic.
00:41:23
So the probiotics are the bacteria found in your gut and prebiotics are the food for that bacteria.
00:41:31
Ehm
00:41:31
So they kind of work together.
00:41:33
So the Turkey tail.
00:41:35
If you're looking to improve gut health, you know, yeah, and just even kind of time back to the medison and keep treating Cam.
00:41:38
Good.
00:41:43
Answer Any if you have any type of prescription, whether it's or to treat something to treat an infection, an antibiotic, it pretty much wipes out your gut health.
00:41:53
I love that.
00:41:54
I just like saying gut and speaking to gut the baby is getting bigger.
00:41:57
Hey, not a gut.
00:41:58
Hey, it's it could be.
00:42:01
Misconstrued as a get?
00:42:02
Well again, Brian Regan said, you never, ever you never guess at that ever so.
00:42:03
2nd.
00:42:06
It could be a gut.
00:42:07
Could be pregnancy, but you don't ever want to guess.
00:42:09
You don't want to hear that answer if it's the wrong thing.
00:42:10
I don't think any expecting Mother wants it to be referred to as a gut, so you failed in that capacity.
00:42:17
Alright, well all I know is your gut is healthy as **** I should say healthy baby grown in the gut and we'll move past that.
00:42:24
So what else about the Turkey tail should we should we know?
00:42:28
Yeah, so as far as some of the immune boosting contents that it has so it can contains polysaccharide peptides which are protein bound Poly saccharides, and there are two of them in particular that are found in Turkey tails. So Creston, also known as PSK and then.
00:42:49
Polysaccharide peptide which is PSP on both of these possess powerful immune boosting properties.
00:42:55
Yeah, lots of syllables too.
00:42:57
Lots of syllables of the tongue Twister, so yeah, if you want to exercise your your mouth and your tongue out there, feel free to to repeat those.
00:43:07
But just for instance, in test tube studies the PSP, the polysaccharide peptide has increased the monocytes which are the type of white blood cells that fight infection and boost immunity.
00:43:21
Awesome.
00:43:21
So there's a lot of scientific data behind Turkey tail and its benefits.
00:43:27
Even so much you can treat your pets, you know if your pets are on certain medicines, you can give them a Turkey tail supplement and conjecture to whatever else they're taking.
00:43:38
And actually a coworker of mine is doing that now.
00:43:40
I love it, I love.
00:43:41
But it sounds like a really good additive or addition to anybody's normal diet. Like, you know. I mean it, it sounds like it has qualities where, maybe if you were, you know undergoing cancer treatment or you were more vulnerable to certain illnesses. Maybe it's good, you know, after you figure that out. But it sounds like something that just proactively just could be just an addition to your diet, right?
00:44:03
Yeah, I mean Turkey tail you.
00:44:05
Can you find it at GNC you find it at the Vitamin Shoppe.
00:44:08
It's not hard to find at all.
00:44:10
It's at our local grocery store.
00:44:12
Or so it is something that you know anyone can really obtain.
00:44:16
So if you you know you're feeling like your immune system is down and you want to kind of give it a boost, there's no really harm.
00:44:24
Just make sure you take the recommended dosage and then what was that movie we just watched?
00:44:29
Yeah, well, that's going to be the next thing I wanted to talk about. If you read Michael Pollan's book, How to Change your Mind, or if you watched fantastic fantastic fun guy, he refers a lot to Paul Stamets. So, Paul stamets.
00:44:43
The master mushroom guy, the master mycologist.
00:44:47
If you're an astrophysicist, he would be your Neil deGrasse Tyson, right?
00:44:52
So he's that, yeah.
00:44:53
Yeah, he literally looks like Oregon as a person.
00:44:57
Yeah, so here's a hat that's made out of mushrooms or mycelium or something out of the fun guy.
00:45:01
Well, if you have a clothes made out of it, what did you send me the other day?
00:45:04
Like you know, like leather, mushroom leather is a thing.
00:45:06
Yeah.
00:45:08
Adidas has a new line or there's some at least experimentation with.
00:45:12
Mushroom based leather so mycelium has been proven as a robust substitute to building materials and other things so it's gaining a lot of momentum, especially with the ability to consume compost and trash and other things that make it a cleanup agent.
00:45:28
It's really got a lot of momentum behind using it in all different facets of industrialism.
00:45:34
Yeah, and I would highlight again.
00:45:36
I'm sure you've discussed this on the on the podcast, but fantastic Funky is one of the best movies we've seen.
00:45:43
Absolutely number one in regard to this topic.
00:45:46
We got the kids running around.
00:45:47
Yeah, if you hear like little skidding, those are nails skidding on the ground.
00:45:49
Tink, Tink, tink.
00:45:53
Brodian muktuk going at it, so thanks guys for the background noise.
00:45:56
Yeah, but Paul Stamets, he he has a Ted talk on on the Turkey tail and the benefits and how his mother had cancer.
00:46:05
And I'm not sure which type of cancer, but it ate it and it going into remission.
00:46:10
It was just really really.
00:46:12
Eye opening and is really encouraging when it comes to you know, medicinal benefits of these mushrooms.
00:46:18
Yeah, it's awesome and you can find that Ted talk online if you just look up also.
00:46:22
It's STMETSI believe if you just look him up, you'll find that it's really cool. I mean, you know this is not you're not trying to be a witch doctor by promoting these things. I'm not saying that you should do this instead of traditional means of cancer therapy or anything at all, but it's nice to know that there are alternative ways to just help boost your mood.
00:46:43
System and make yourself a you know a lower percentage of of getting sick.
00:46:48
I guess.
00:46:48
Yeah, absolutely.
00:46:48
I don't know there's not.
00:46:49
A better way?
00:46:49
To say that, well, the kids are going crazy, so apparently this is time to wrap this up.
00:46:55
Jill, thanks so much for being here.
00:46:57
I've learned a lot about Turkey tail.
00:46:58
Hopefully the listeners did as well and until next time I love you.
00:47:02
I love you and don't ever call it a gut again.
00:47:03
Never gonna call it.
00:47:04
Good, alright?
00:47:06
See you later, bye.
00:47:07
You know, I know, neither of you are big drinkers, but have you you know, taking shrooms while you're also drinking and how have you notice those two interact?
00:47:15
For me, alcohol is is the common denominator and me becoming an ******* So I just try to avoid it, specially on psychedelics.
00:47:20
Full
00:47:26
Just 'cause I get turned into like a frat boy ****** ***
00:47:30
The second I start drinking, I'm like let's ******* burns it.
00:47:33
Let's ******* freedom law and it's like like a Hispanic version of Stiffler from American Pie and like that that the world doesn't need that.
00:47:42
So I just try not to.
00:47:44
I agree, the world doesn't need that, but now it's good that you know who you are like.
00:47:48
That's for me man.
00:47:49
I drink two things I drink.
00:47:51
****** beer.
00:47:51
Not ****** but very inexpensive beer.
00:47:53
Miller highlife preferred preferably.
00:47:56
Coors banquet like that or really nice scac.
00:48:00
Neither one of those to me like plays well with mushrooms.
00:48:03
You know when I drink it's, you know have a glass of scac at the end of the day or out of dinner.
00:48:08
Or I drink, you know, during a football game with some cheap beer.
00:48:11
But for me like drinking is more of just you know what else I'm doing.
00:48:16
That I I can, you know, it's not like the core of me like having the experience.
00:48:20
So if I do drink it's just kind of happenstance.
00:48:23
It's not something I plan to do going into it.
00:48:24
And that's kind of how we wrote over the weekend, you know?
00:48:27
You're waiting an hour and we're all getting antsy for the trip to start alright. Will have one or two claws. And then when you're high on mushrooms I don't think you have any. I don't anyway have any desire to be drinking. You know I'm just so content with how I feel that it's really not until I come down at the end of MOK cracking up.
00:48:42
The problem with drinking on mushrooms is you don't realize how progress it's like drinking a very frozen, sugary, delicious draw.
00:48:51
But it's like the drink is in your mind is the trip.
00:48:53
So you keep drinking and you don't realize and like you could really should face really fast because you have no concept of time so you don't know when you had the last drink.
00:49:04
Also, like things just taste different to you.
00:49:06
So like you're drinking it and like you're processing differently how it tastes in your pallets, how it's like.
00:49:10
How the phase of a white claw, for example?
00:49:12
Which would you like to drink will be hitting you in the back of the throat, the claw.
00:49:14
Sorry Clock, you have to go to Clock off.
00:49:17
So yeah, like like you really have no concept of time and it's just a different experience like sensory, like how you perceive the alcohol, not just what it's doing to you, but it's like tasting everything else now.
00:49:27
So like you just want more of it 'cause you want to like process more of it in your mind and like at least in my experience, I've gotten really, really ******** alcohol wise on mushrooms before just 'cause I lose track of how much and how fast I'm drinking, yeah?
00:49:40
And I think also too.
00:49:41
For me, no, it's not disrespectful to drink on mushrooms or get ******** drunk on mushrooms, but.
00:49:47
For me it's like I kind of respect the mushroom experience too much.
00:49:49
I don't know.
00:49:50
I don't want.
00:49:51
I don't want to ruin an opportunity to see what comes out of it, you know?
00:49:54
So for me, it's more of just like interference.
00:49:57
So if I drink it 'cause like I'm having a beer and having fun, it's not something I plan to do, so be it.
00:50:02
But I can't see myself like doing keg stands and ship washrooms.
00:50:06
Yeah, I like pairing mushrooms with other substances, just not alcohol, yeah?
00:50:10
And that's what I meant to ask next, because Felix obviously, you know, I have smoked together a few times before class after class, on hikes after hikes, pretty much anywhere.
00:50:20
Sorry.
00:50:20
Professor if you're listening, so that's all ********
00:50:22
All ******** but whatever.
00:50:25
So do you smoke when you're on shrooms?
00:50:27
Constantly I chain smoke my God, I'm horrible.
00:50:32
I love it.
00:50:32
I love it.
00:50:34
I'm gonna try to wind this down 'cause I think I at least have to do it so I don't know if you guys are going but you guys are awesome and this is not the last time I'm going to request your presence on this podcast.
00:50:43
Hopefully I'll get feedback from my listeners when I allow them to give me that feedback.
00:50:47
That can corroborates that, but you guys are awesome.
00:50:50
This was fun so much.
00:50:51
Fun, thank you for having me man.
00:50:53
I'm down always.
00:50:54
Absolutely thank you.