Episode 5 - All Hail Meditation and Decontamination Techniques
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Welcome back to yet another episode of the MUstaSH ROOM.
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I am your host, David Ben.
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I'm really excited about the guest that we have on today.
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One of them is a repeat that will be wifey, Jill.
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She has an update for you on a new mushroom.
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Really interesting stuff so I'm glad to have her back and also my good friend Andy.
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He joins.
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Resume I'm starting to get the hang of the zoom thing in the audio.
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Actually sounds pretty good, so I'm going to keep rolling with that for whoever dared not enter the podcast studio, which, considering the climate and the pandemic, and probably not a good idea to enter the studio right now, so will will air on the side of caution and try to zoom this thing out.
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So yeah, on the podcast, Andy and I kind of go into.
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A lot of detail regarding psychedelic experiences, meditation mindset setting just.
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You know?
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Of.
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Notes from the field.
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For those of us that have headed down those paths, and he's a really interesting guy and musician and really very cerebral with the way he approaches life.
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So we're good buddies.
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I'm really excited for you guys to hear what he has to say.
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My Cleveland Browns.
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You'll constantly hear me refer to them.
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They're in the playoffs for the first time in 18 years.
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As a Cleveland sports fan, that's amazing, so my mood may or may not change.
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We'll see when they play when I record.
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If you notice a difference, I apologize in advance.
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So with all that out of the way, enjoy Episode 5.
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My wife probably has a better refined palette for.
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Different types of mushrooms, but I just kind of go with what she likes, right since she does most of the cooking.
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Like you know, yeah.
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Yeah.
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But as long as it doesn't taste like an anchovy and.
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Unless you're an anchovy fan, which I haven't found, that many of them.
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But now a mushrooms are fantastic.
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Jill actually does a segment on this podcast and again this is fresh and we're still trying to cultivate an audience, but she does a little segment on a different type of mushroom that provides either culinary or medicinal value.
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Yes.
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Each segment so I don't know which one she's going to do this time.
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But you know, we're trying to.
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The psychedelic element is cool, but I want to give funky just a little bit more props and so we're trying to hit it from the different facets.
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Like you know, how can this be better for your overall mental health or physical health or cardiovascular health or whatever the case may be so?
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Sure, yeah.
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I mean, I think that they're generally underrated in terms of.
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Yeah.
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You know, just even like the kingdoms of life on Earth, you know what I mean.
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They are the thing responsible for eating the rot and eating the decomposing stuff and helping to decompose an recycle it back into the environment as something that's usable.
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I love that so much, so that's so amazing.
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Yeah, I mean.
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Yeah, it's pretty.
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It's pretty remarkable, you know.
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And I mean there are definitely.
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I've seen some pretty crazy things.
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You know all along the the different kind of like series.
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I think BBC did one that was kind of like a planet Earth where they had where there was like an Ant colony and there's a specific strain of fungus that basically penetrates their brain and kind of.
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Takes over and they become like.
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Kind of a drone to this thing.
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Which kind of.
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Begs the question of, you know.
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Is there any sort of sentence behind this thing that we may not give it credit for?
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If it as a mechanism that can basically make a zombie Ant do its own bidding?
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It's you know, I mean, the power of this stuff and the fact that it has it, you know, kind of replicates some of the patterns of the neural networks and you know other things in nature that are super powerful.
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You're right, there's a lot more that's been exposed so far.
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I think it's definitely worth researching.
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Largest.
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Largest Organism on the planet is actually a giant mass of mycelium in Oregon.
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That it's in Oregon.
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I've heard that that's the case, but didn't know where it was.
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In Oregon, I mean, it's yeah the largest single Organism on the planet.
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I'm shocked.
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I'm not exactly sure of the size, but pretty staggering, you know, like.
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Dude, if it's if it's a *** **** contest.
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I mean that's the biggest right.
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So you gotta pay homage.
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That is, that's.
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Well, good way to go Oregon.
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Oregon is just chock full of progressiveness and and you know, the forefront of everything regarding psychedelics or questionable Subs.
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This is.
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Do you want to do something that's not yet approved in your town?
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Go to Oregon.
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They'll let you do it there.
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Especially as of late.
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All right?
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But yeah dude, so I appreciate you being here.
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I appreciate your thoughts.
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I appreciate your perspective and I've only really been delving into psychedelics myself since.
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I had my ayawaska trip, so it's probably been about five years that I've really been interested in.
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Psychedelics and more than just like a hey, let's go to a concert and feel the music kind of capacity.
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You know, a therapeutic sense, a mental growth sense just to kind of, you know, bettering myself.
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And so I know you've had kind of similar journeys and so I.
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I respect you being here, and I do respect your.
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You know your perspective on this stuff.
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It's a man, of course.
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I think it's you know.
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It's I think it's.
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A journey that I would love for everyone to have, but I also recognize that it's not quite for everyone.
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But you know, I do like to squeegee my third eye every now and again.
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You know, kind of re calibrate where we're going.
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You know where we're spending our time and energy.
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Yeah man, it's it's kind of stupid.
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It's naive not to these days, you know it's.
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The the research I think they're you know they're regaining traction in terms of research and experimentation and whatnot, but knowing that it's not fully formed and hasn't been given the consideration that it should have.
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I mean, that's gotta peak.
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Everybody's interest, you know there's so much more to be discovered there.
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Oh sure, yeah.
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So I have I just have a little list of things that I wanted to talk about.
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My buddy will you haven't met will he's musician friend of mine.
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He was on the podcast last week and we had a good conversation regarding like music and it's almost symbiotic nature or relationship with psychedelics.
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And, you know, it's so amazing how when you introduce music to a psychedelic experience, it just.
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It's.
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You know takes that one.
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Audio sends in just amplifies it a million times, and just that that relationship is super cool and I know you as a musician as a I know you do the drums and also the didgeridoo and God only knows what else you have mastered.
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But as a musician I was kind of curious about the way you feel about that relationship between those two things.
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Yeah, there is an incredible synergy that can happen.
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But I also, do you have a friend who, once he hits his peak, you know he kind of falls apart and he has no idea what to do with his instrument really?
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Yeah, even though he's an incredible bassist.
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But for me, kind of you can kind of like tap out whatever fidgety enerji you've got.
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And kind of go with it.
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So I mean in terms of, you know.
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Like a lot of improv improv.
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It's been pretty incredible, you know.
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Like it definitely opens those proverbial doors to different like areas where you wouldn't have otherwise explored or even known that there was something to be explored, you know?
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Awesome.
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And.
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And yeah, that's honestly I think my favorite pastime.
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My favorite thing to do.
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Of all is to have a good.
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A good trip and just an off the cuff jam with some people.
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Who are, you know, on the same level and who can hang and.
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You know it's a, you know the experience of music itself.
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It becomes so much more rich.
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You know when when certain filters are disabled in your, you know sensory pathways.
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No doubt.
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You know it's kind of tickles the brain in a different way, you know.
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You know, yeah, no, I just love.
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I love being able to just look at things with fresh perspective man.
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Yeah, yeah it was pretty remarkable.
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One thing that I I found during my last experience which was I've been trying to do one a week with the.
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With the kovid with the lockdown and stuff, I'm not seeing a whole lot of people, so you know the least I can do is give my brain a little bit of candy to to play with.
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So been trying to do one a week and the wife has been cool with that so it's been, you know, therapeutic.
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And I've I've learned a lot about myself, but one of the things that I found recently.
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I don't know if you have the same.
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View of it is meditation is such an awesome preparatory tool for the psychedelic experience.
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And just allowing you to negotiate thoughts and just kind of like that battle of just dealing with things that pop up in your head and acknowledging them and reconciling them.
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And and for me, I found that there was a really cool correlation, and I've been better prepared for the experience because of all my meditation and I I I know you have experiment, experimented in meditation.
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I was curious your thoughts on that.
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The same subject.
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Yeah, I think my first.
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I honestly credit.
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Some of my first sight, my actual first psychedelic experience to my first spiritual experience.
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What do you mean by that?
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Uhm?
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The first time I took mushrooms was the most genuine spiritual experience I had had in my life up to that point, and to me that has kind of it's got a special place in my heart, you know, and it's a place I can visit when I.
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Wow.
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When I have the time to, you know, to be able to tune out the world and look deep within and.
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And as a as a new dad that's been, I'm sure, tough lately.
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Yeah, so that's like you know I. I think it's great that you're able to kind of, you know, enjoy it here in there and I'd say get your filled. Let's you know, once your baby's here man that's gonna be put on the shelf for a little while.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Get your fill.
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Yeah, I guess.
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Yeah, I can see you grinning there, you know, as as I talk about what I'm doing now and knowing that you would like the ghost of Christmas future.
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Right?
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Oh yeah, man.
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Hey I'm a little envious I'm like oh you've got some freedom you what I would do if I had just a little bit of extra time but I mean it's it's been a rewarding journey you know so far it's it's a lot I mean really life.
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I won't fly it, man.
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Cool.
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It's just immense and this is kind of.
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Another monumental chapter in it.
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So hell yeah onward.
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Congrats and good for you dude.
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Config environment, as Greg Berman would say, cadima.
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Onward man yes.
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Mazal tov Greg.
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But yeah, I mean in terms of like my own experience with meditation, I'd say that I never really successfully meditated until my first dose of LSD, and it just kind of was one of those things where you had to submit to it.
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OK.
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To the power of it, and you know.
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Uh, I just remember laying on the floor and just.
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Just being fully present, you know and not having my mind drift into you know thoughts of the past or things of ego, but just kind of being open and letting.
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All the sensory information pour in.
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And just kind of feeling the present moment, you know.
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An I look at, you know psychedelics like mushrooms and others you know as basically like a wormhole to get to the other side of meditation.
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Like it's almost like entering a cheat code where you go straight to the front of the line with less of the work.
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That's a good way to put it.
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But there have also been experiences.
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It's probably a 5050 kind of thing. You know in terms of.
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Sometimes.
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You know, during your trip you look within so much and you get kind of wrapped up in.
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You know things that had happened and over analyzing what other people may have perceived and on and on.
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And it's sure that we're.
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Feedback loops.
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Weird.
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Feeling of like being on stage and feeling like eyes are on you and in all reality people aren't really paying that kind of attention to you because they're kind of going through the same thing themselves.
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Right, like when you're.
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More self conscious about themselves, you know.
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Yeah.
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Like when you're when you're younger and you go out in public high like it's the same kind of like you know there's that that angst.
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They know.
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No, they know right.
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They know it's funny that you say that you mentioned meditation that way and its relationship with psychedelics for me.
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I haven't found that my meditation has got me to any similar places as what I've got with psychedelics, by the way, by the way.
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When I say it prepares me for for psychedelics I more mean like.
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With meditation everyday you know I have to battle those thoughts.
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They pop up constantly.
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I'm battling them an my head is you know, less cluttered once I'm done and I can also learn to not freak out when those things enter and don't leave my head immediately.
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So for me, like meditation has been awesome just to kind of defrag in the mornings and get going.
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But I really haven't gone to any.
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Like I don't know, super powerful experiences in meditation.
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It's been more of like a moderate benefit for me until I realized what it could do for me when I really go.
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You know, under the hood, with the psychedelic experience.
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Oh yeah, I mean.
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Yeah, once you've kind of combined the two, it's a.
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Yeah.
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It's a completely different experience.
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Right?
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I mean, in terms of like.
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You know a lot of, like the Buddhist kind of ideals of like non attachment and just being present and so forth.
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They're really esoteric and really hard to attain.
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You know, in your normal waking life.
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But you know, having a practice such as yours like a daily meditation thing?
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Yeah, yeah, you're probably getting a some percentage of the way there, you know. But once you've kind of combined the two, it's almost like everything aligns and you're 100%. You know you can be. You know it's not always. It's not always a guarantee and that's kind of the one thing that I do respect about.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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The substances that I still get nervous even after you know.
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I'd say I've been.
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Yeah, I've had psychedelics for more than half of my life.
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I think my first experience was when I was 16.
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Yeah.
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OK, and even to this day you know, 20 years later I'm still.
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A bit nervous, you know, when when it's time when you're waiting to see where it's gonna take you.
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And and I think a lot of it honestly.
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Is.
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Learning how to submit and let go of control and go with it sure like.
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People who end up with a bad trip.
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Get a little freaked out and they try to fight it an wish, themselves sober or wish themselves into a different place and that starts its own whole host of.
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Yep.
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It's like a chain reaction of, you know fear and powerlessness.
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And I mean those are honestly a lot of the kind of.
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Emotions that can plague people.
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In normal life, but you know.
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We tend to.
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We tend to tune him out or we tend to distract ourselves and sometimes when there are no distractions and you've got to face what it is, that is really deep within.
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Yep.
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You know, learning how to tame the mind is really powerful in terms of having more fruitful kind of experiences.
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Right I.
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I definitely would encourage you know, like.
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You know a meditative practice.
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Before going into it, or you know, just at least having the right mindset and maybe.
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Maybe like a loose agenda.
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Maybe some things that you could do if you find yourself in a.
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In maybe like a negative loop of thoughts you know to be able to.
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Have some other outlet you know or that distraction that takes you out of the rumination and kind of places you more into present moment.
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Yeah which is you know essentially what meditation is all about.
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I mean I find myself.
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In a deep meditation when I'm playing music, you know because.
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You know you're.
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You and you you can enter like a flow state right where.
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You know you're.
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Yeah.
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You're juggling this stuff without thinking it without thinking about it, and you're just enjoying the juggling of it.
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And whatever kind of.
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Different kind of variations that you can add to it and.
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And that's the dream.
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Like if you can get the flow state.
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I mean everybody, that's when that's when LeBron puts up 60.
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You know?
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I mean, when he's in his flow state.
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So I, I totally agree.
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Yeah.
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I mean and and the I.
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Yeah.
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I definitely experienced that while sober playing drums, but I'll honestly, you know, I may get a little bit more in my head in terms of.
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Thinking about don't do this, don't screw up or.
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Are you keeping up with this and like you know you get some sort of inner dialogue that you end up focusing on while you're kind of juggling, and I find that most most of that all that inner dialogue and all that internal talk just kind of disappears if I'm playing.
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Yeah, I talked with will.
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While you know, on mushrooms or.
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And.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think the set and setting.
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I mean you know that's for me.
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It's like if I go in in a public setting, like a bar, that's not the right setting for me to get therapy for mushrooms like that's.
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I don't know.
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Oh
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I mean, I I might have to interact kind of setting like a so to me that if you get the right mindset in the right setting, which you know those two, they have to be given the.
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The same level of respect, but the right set and right setting and the two rules that I always tell new.
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Newcomers to psychedelics is nobody is ever died from this, and it's not going to last forever. Just remember those two. There's MC by the way. I don't know if you can hear he's trying to make an appearance. That's that's my cat. If you're if you've never listened before, he appears to be nice. He's nice for approximately 93 seconds and then he turns into to a mean little ******** so.
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Yeah.
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Even though he's my son, I can't speak highly of him beyond that initial 93 seconds.
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Yeah, not for the course, you know.
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I think.
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I think my father in law says it best to his own children.
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He says, you know, you're my children.
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I love you, but I don't have to library.
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You gotta earn something.
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So that's move that smoke hopefully.
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Yeah, you know, I think.
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Hopefully it doesn't enter the podcast too often.
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Right, right, yeah?
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But yeah, that.
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And we're kind of we're going through a similar thing with our cat right now, where it's, you know, Roxy is a family member and although we kind of fantasize about.
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You know?
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Letting her go to some adoptive family or letting her roam the outside world and enjoy that bit of freedom, right?
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We recognize that she's still family and we gotta take care of her.
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Is she declawed?
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No.
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OK, all right so she could survive out there if she needed to.
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If.
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It's less the clawing well.
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Yeah, she could survive, but she's honestly a small cat.
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So OK, there are bigger cats in the neighborhood that would definitely beat her up pretty badly, but you know.
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All right?
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We don't wish them ill.
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We don't wish the cats will.
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Sometimes it would be nicer if they could maybe do a little bit of psychedelic therapy themselves and and tone it down a lot.
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A lot of feedback loops.
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The strange strange thing is I feel like they're permanently on that wavelength.
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What's that?
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So sporadic and spontaneous.
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You know tonight.
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That could be part of the problem.
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You know too much of a good thing.
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Wow.
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That would be amazing if they determined that that was really the root cause of cats being just all over the place.
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What?
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It's just constant psychedelic state.
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Oh yeah, sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
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Here we go.
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Wifey, Jill.
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Thank you very much for joining us again on the podcast.
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Yeah hi everyone.
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I love I love.
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I'm sure they said hi back this is this is not a duplex podcast.
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But yeah, thank you for being here.
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I love looking at you and being close to you and our baby.
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Oh thanks.
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Our baby is growing by the 2nd.
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Yeah, I hear these next few weeks.
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He's going to be like doubling in size and I'll be doubling in size with it.
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Oh
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What was that joke on on Hall Pass where he's like?
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I ask you, are you from Ireland?
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'cause when I when I see you my ***** be Dublin?
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Oh
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My ***** feet.
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Like guys
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And then he messed it up 'cause he got too drunk.
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That's a.
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That's a tough one.
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You really have to nail that one or else it just doesn't make a whole lot of great movie anyways.
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That movie is so funny.
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So yes, anything with Owen Wilson and Jason today Kiss an JB Smoove.
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Dear God, great movie.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah, alright so today's mushroom.
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We have a new one.
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Every segment I'm excited about.
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This week we learned exactly how it's supposed to be pronounced.
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Wifey, Jill.
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What is this segments mushroom?
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Reshi
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Reshi not Rishi.
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Not Rishi, not Rati Rati.
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Race.
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Racing racing.
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The reshi mushroom. So yeah, so this is another one that I would consider a superfood heavy hitting mushroom that is again just nutrient dense and has a plethora of positive effects on one's health and.
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You know a lot of the mushroom coffee is mushroom teas that are already powdered, ready for you to just add to your hot beverage.
00:22:44
You know contain reshi.
00:22:46
I keep wanting to say right?
00:22:47
She, along with some other variants as well.
00:22:47
Yeah.
00:22:52
But Ray, she is our topic today so we'll highlight some of the benefits of them.
00:22:56
Fantastic.
00:22:58
So yeah, so I can confirm that even though this is mostly consumed in a powder form, it can be consumed fresh, so reshi grows on trees if I'm not mistaken, correct?
00:23:11
It grows on bark.
00:23:12
Yep, and then it looks like like a Turkey tail.
00:23:17
It's kind of got this.
00:23:18
Ann
00:23:20
This it's almost like a step.
00:23:21
It kind of grows out a step and it.
00:23:24
It looks like a leathery, like a like a Brown patent leather.
00:23:26
Like I love.
00:23:27
Yes, it looks very tough, which we have not really seen it in person or even you know in the wild.
00:23:34
So I would be curious to touch it.
00:23:37
Feel it is it easily broken?
00:23:39
Is it tough?
00:23:41
So yeah, I would be more interested in working with this mushroom.
00:23:45
Well the guys at fresh from the farm Fun guy over at the Cherry Creek market.
00:23:51
Gary, one of my favorite dudes.
00:23:53
Yeah.
00:23:53
Myco freak like myself, they actually grow them out of the mushroom bag so they had some some ratio we there and they weren't growing in like the Turkey tail pattern they were growing in like.
00:23:59
Interesting.
00:24:03
OK.
00:24:05
Cylindrical almost you know like stalagmites come in from the the base of the bag and it was really cool.
00:24:11
OK.
00:24:13
They were like a combination of cream color and then.
00:24:16
At patent leather Brown, so I guess they can grow in more than just the the traditional sense out of the tree, but I think he had to do some massaging to get them to grow out of the bag like that.
00:24:18
Yeah.
00:24:26
Yeah, I wonder if it was like like sawdust particles from the tree or what the substrate was was created from but but yeah, I would definitely imagine that the shape of whatever substrate you're working with, whether it be a tree or bag.
00:24:31
Could be.
00:24:35
Good question.
00:24:44
That would definitely affect the shape.
00:24:46
And I think I watched some videos from Fresh Cap, another one of my favorite people.
00:24:51
I forget the guys name, but I think his name is Andy but the fresh cap guy, the Canadian.
00:24:55
Guy, he showed me his reshi farm at their mushroom farm and the spores were just as important as the actual ratio bark, so I don't know the the way that each of those two things is used.
00:25:05
No.
00:25:10
And you know, if they're the same or or different, but there's more than just the mushroom itself.
00:25:14
The spores are actually useful.
00:25:16
In more than just propagating additional speed.
00:25:20
See.
00:25:20
Yeah, that actually brings up a good point with this is this isn't like a traditional mushroom where it open has a cap and then it has the gills, at least not from the pictures that I've seen.
00:25:31
It truly does look like a bark, where maybe the spores are contained from within and broken apart that way.
00:25:39
Well, actually we can pull up.
00:25:41
Let me see if I can find that video.
00:25:43
But yeah, it's just a different way of harvesting.
00:25:45
And again, I don't know whether the spores offer different benefits than the mushroom itself.
00:25:51
But if we look at fresh cap, love these guys.
00:25:54
Yeah, and while you do, that will highlight some of the benefits of it so immune system is one of the most important effects of reishi mushrooms that it can provide to you.
00:26:06
So there have been studies that found that the white blood cells it does increase the activity of the white blood cells in your body.
00:26:14
To help fight any inflammation, any foreign substances has anti cancer properties. In fact, one study of over 4000 breast cancer survivors found that 59% of them consumed reshi mush.
00:26:30
Rooms you know we can move on to fighting, fatigue and depression so you don't necessarily, you know, need to consume these if you're.
00:26:31
Wow.
00:26:39
If you have a an existing illness or condition, this is a mushroom that can boost your mood.
00:26:46
You know, fight fatigue, give you some enerji, and then additional benefits include you know.
00:26:52
Increasing the good cholesterol within your heart, so promoting a healthy heart blood sugar control and then again antioxidant status is.
00:27:02
Fantastic, it's amazing that.
00:27:04
There's so much of that packed into these.
00:27:06
These little buggy, it's.
00:27:07
Yeah, they're all in it, all overlaps right?
00:27:09
I mean, this isn't, you know the you know some of these benefits or pretty much spread across all the mushrooms we've talked of.
00:27:16
So you know, don't just think you have to find this in one mushroom to get any sort of benefits just by adding any type of mushroom into your daily diet weekly.
00:27:27
With Variety is really going to pack the punch.
00:27:30
Fantastic, that's great info.
00:27:32
I found a video here.
00:27:33
Let me see if they show so you can see what I'm talking about.
00:27:36
Yeah.
00:27:37
Do do do fresh cap mushrooms love you?
00:27:40
Tony?
00:27:41
Tony is his name Tony Shields.
00:27:44
Health benefits.
00:27:53
Yeah, you can see here, not you listening, but a wifey Jill.
00:27:57
See the spores are kind of on top.
00:27:57
OK.
00:28:00
Oh, the little like the black specks.
00:28:01
Well, the see how it looks like a like a sawdust, almost like a dust well so the spores are harvested differently with the reshi, so again I'd have to watch that video and find it to really say specifically how that's done, but it's definitely different than your traditional harvesting of just.
00:28:05
Yeah.
00:28:14
Typically.
00:28:20
A normal mushroom.
00:28:21
Yeah, let's see.
00:28:22
They let they let the spores fall, and then they harvest those differently.
00:28:26
So I am also pulling up some pictures.
00:28:29
The underside of a reshi mushroom is white.
00:28:33
Ah.
00:28:34
So I mean it's like pure white, maybe a few pores, but the top is is interesting.
00:28:42
So yeah.
00:28:43
Yeah.
00:28:44
Again Google that image and kind of see what these look like.
00:28:48
We'll do a follow up.
00:28:50
I follow up and add more info, but that's really cool.
00:28:50
Yeah.
00:28:53
Yeah, the spores?
00:28:54
They just get released differently so it just changes the type of farm and the conditions that they have to get.
00:29:00
You know, all the goodness out of each of those mushrooms, yeah?
00:29:03
Well, wifey Jill as always I love having you on here.
00:29:08
It's always very informative and hopefully the listeners feel the same way and any parting words for the listening audience.
00:29:15
I'm gonna go make myself a Cup of mushroom coffee.
00:29:19
Boom and on that note were.
00:29:21
Out alright bye.
00:29:22
Nobody ever died from this.
00:29:24
It doesn't last forever and just have those two things running as just a constant background theme that's been helpful, but I mean there it's just reps too.
00:29:34
It's like anything else, you want to be able to dribble basketball.
00:29:36
You just need to dribble it, you.
00:29:37
Know, I mean you can't.
00:29:38
Sure, yeah.
00:29:39
Have you gone the full heroic dose yourself?
00:29:42
5.
00:29:43
Yeah yeah, yeah.
00:29:43
Yeah.
00:29:44
I've done 5 now four different times.
00:29:49
That yeah, that.
00:29:51
It it humbling would very very humbling you know.
00:29:57
Again, it's not for everyone.
00:29:58
For everyone no.
00:30:00
Well, you know five.
00:30:01
It wasn't the first dosage I've ever taken, so you know a couple of years ago.
00:30:06
So.
00:30:07
I had taken no more than like 1 1/2 grams so you know I've just kind of steadily worked my way up to a point where I felt like I was.
00:30:14
Relaxed enough in like accustomed to like what to expect enough to really, you know, go in that space.
00:30:22
Sure, and I think it's it's a door worth peering through, you know?
00:30:26
But.
00:30:28
My personal take is, you know, I've been there enough times and it's something that is resonated with me deeply.
00:30:35
And I mean, I don't necessarily feel the need to go back there because it's an experience that I can still recall vividly and.
00:30:45
Sounds awesome, that's fantastic man.
00:30:47
An you know.
00:30:48
I mean, I think you take the lessons with you and that's what's important is, you know, not necessarily doing it for the sense of.
00:30:56
Of partying, but you know, if you're doing it for your own kind of mental or emotional well, being sure.
00:31:06
You know, sometimes you.
00:31:08
Push the boundaries and literally like.
00:31:09
Break that door down and you know you go all the way in.
00:31:13
But I feel like I've.
00:31:17
Definitely gleamed a lot of the knowledge from it from those you know, heavy experiences that have served me and I don't.
00:31:25
You know I'm in no rush to go back, but I wouldn't, you know I will be back.
00:31:30
Yeah, well, I mean like I said, you're a new dad, so I mean there's a lot going on in your life.
00:31:35
You definitely don't want to venture into a psychedelic experience when there's like a lot of stuff.
00:31:41
And you know responsibilities and you don't want that stuff floating in your head.
00:31:45
You really can't really relax enough to let it do its due diligence.
00:31:50
Yeah, I mean I'll find out I got a friend when we went.
00:31:54
You know, I do.
00:31:55
My annual Mens psychedelic retreat.
00:31:58
Yeah.
00:31:59
Which I'd like to go on that if I can at some point that sounds amazing.
00:31:59
And then we.
00:32:02
And yeah, you know, once yeah, once were vaccinated, you know and.
00:32:05
Yes, yes.
00:32:08
We're all a bit more comfortable with the some of those things.
00:32:12
Yeah, definitely, but a friend of mine that I had brought on the trip, you know we've been friends for many years and he's got two boys.
00:32:19
They're about like 8 and 10 years old and.
00:32:23
Yeah, he he would only take psychedelics when he's out camping like where he can't.
00:32:30
You know, the responsibility to his children does doesn't exist right now.
00:32:34
Like this?
00:32:35
He says that when he's you know in town, you know.
00:32:41
He can't fathom the idea.
00:32:43
Of not being 100% cognitively there in the event that he gets a phone call that you know some **** has happened and he needs to handle it and deal with it, you know, so he.
00:32:49
Yep.
00:32:53
That's smart, man, that set in mindset, you know.
00:32:56
Yeah, you know, I mean everything in moderation and that's kind of where he's founded is, you know, he's he's content.
00:33:03
He doesn't need to go there, but he's open to it though when the opportunity presents itself, but it's gotta be the right setting setting for him as.
00:33:11
Well, well I like.
00:33:12
I like I respect anybody that's found that balance and you know.
00:33:16
What knows what works for them, you know and.
00:33:20
You know, when you figure that out, then you can get in the right, you know, set your intentions and get in the right mindset and have a good time.
00:33:25
Sure, yeah, I think it takes a bit of maturity and you know the experience to.
00:33:31
To know when you've had your fill and you know you can pass on different courses as they come along, and you know and nibble at him whenever you want, you know.
00:33:32
Bad.
00:33:40
Yeah.
00:33:42
One thing I this is totally unrelated to anything on this podcast up the mushroom variety or mycology I watched.
00:33:49
I don't know if my my Cleveland Browns won this weekend and I know you're not a big NFL guy but my Cleveland Browns.
00:33:56
This podcast is not dedicated to me and my love of Cleveland Sports or anything like that, but.
00:34:00
You will like say, are definitely an informal unofficial sponsor of this podcast.
00:34:01
They sponsor it though.
00:34:06
You will hear me from time to time talk about my love of the Cleveland Browns and they've been playing really well.
00:34:11
They have ten wins and our archrival, the Cross state.
00:34:16
Pittsburgh Steelers loss last night and as I was watching the game, I was rooting so hard for the Steelers to lose 'cause I hate them as an arch rival so much I don't wish them ill in a physical, literal sense.
00:34:28
But I do hate everything they stand stand for with a passion.
00:34:31
So as I was hating and rooting against them, I was thinking to myself like this is kind of sadistic.
00:34:37
And there is a word to describe the way I feel, and I'm not sure everybody knows and is familiar with the German word schadenfreude, yeah.
00:34:45
Not in Freud.
00:34:47
Oh yes.
00:34:47
It's so shaden, Freud.
00:34:50
I first saw it on an episode of Boston Legal awhile back, but that is exactly the way I feel.
00:34:57
Do you ever experience schadenfreude?
00:35:00
And in what sense have you felt it?
00:35:02
100% an I feel no shame about it, I mean but yeah.
00:35:07
Now I feel like so many things are out of your control and life is a tragedy or comedy depending on if you're a thinker or feeler and you know, hey, basking in a little schadenfreude is, you know.
00:35:15
Right?
00:35:19
Yeah, let's get the.
00:35:19
It's it's it being able to laugh it off.
00:35:22
It's being able to.
00:35:24
You know, I guess.
00:35:24
The actual.
00:35:25
You definitely are feeling something, though.
00:35:27
At the same time, but you know.
00:35:27
The actual definition of this German word is the experience.
00:35:32
Harm, joy.
00:35:33
The experience of pleasure, joy or self satisfaction that comes from learning of or witnessing the troubles, failures or humiliation of another.
00:35:41
I love that.
00:35:42
The yeah the the words like the.
00:35:47
The words that compose it are literally harm, joy.
00:35:49
Right, right, it says that right here that is so dark.
00:35:52
******* dark.
00:35:55
But I was dark I.
00:35:56
But I mean, I mean, you know, judging things as dark or light or good or bad.
00:36:00
It's really all relative in a matter of perspective.
00:36:03
You know, I mean.
00:36:04
Yeah.
00:36:05
When it comes to football, man, it's all.
00:36:07
It's all fair game.
00:36:09
So I apologize if you are a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.
00:36:12
Your team has been nosediving.
00:36:14
As of late, but just know that last night I wasn't shedding a tear.
00:36:18
I was full blown shaden Freud.
00:36:21
I'm happy for him.
00:36:22
Thank you, thank you. So the last thing I want to talk about before we balance, I try to keep these like 3035 minutes if I can. Sure I'm going to be building a lemon are flow hood. I don't know if you've used a lemon are flow hood. I know you're familiar with the concept.
00:36:36
Before you do OK, I've got a friend who built one beautiful.
00:36:40
It he doesn't like it, he doesn't use it, and part of it has to deal with the environment in which it is set up and he's struggled with contamination's despite having built one spent the money on it, picked it out to spec. I looked at it and I.
00:36:42
What what?
00:36:53
Yeah.
00:36:57
It's not the same as like what you would see in a laboratory where they may have.
00:37:03
Like a glass shield that comes down right to the bottom, where you can only slip your hands through right?
00:37:08
Is this kind of open and he has like a rack that elevates whatever his working surface is elevated off of, like the tabletop surface.
00:37:19
So it's like it's somewhat centered within.
00:37:19
Yeah, it's like.
00:37:23
The actual.
00:37:26
You know the the whole the opening of.
00:37:29
You know the air that's like coming out, but he has, you know.
00:37:30
OK.
00:37:34
Yeah, he, I think it's the room that he was in was too small and it's kind of there's too much turbulence.
00:37:38
Is he trying to sell it and trying to get rid of it?
00:37:41
Yeah, I mean if you're gonna if you're going to go in to buy one, I can talk to him and he probably let it go at a discount because he doesn't like it.
00:37:43
Yeah.
00:37:48
That would be.
00:37:49
He he honestly prefers a still air box.
00:37:51
He's had more success with.
00:37:53
That as long as it's got the right specs, the.
00:37:55
.3 Micron 99 point.
00:37:57
Oh yeah.
00:37:57
Nine OK, yeah, it is long.
00:37:58
Spared no expense.
00:37:59
I mean, yeah, he spared no expense and he's you know he's pretty well versed.
00:38:05
I'll have to actually connect you to him.
00:38:06
I think he'd be a pretty knowledgeable guest in terms of, you know, kind of do it at home.
00:38:12
Kind of cultivation in terms of his own.
00:38:15
Trials and errors.
00:38:16
You know he.
00:38:18
You know he'll make his own substrate.
00:38:20
He'll buy stuff in bulk.
00:38:21
He's experimented with everything from like manure and straw to Rye berries to different grains to, you know, he probably started with the old school like PF Tek with like Brown rice and vermiculite cakes and so forth.
00:38:33
Yeah man biatec.
00:38:34
You know he?
00:38:35
Done at all, and I've learned a lot from him.
00:38:38
OK, you you did pass me.
00:38:40
And some of.
00:38:40
The stuff I've learned some of you know, honestly, what I've learned is keep it simple, stupid, yes, I mean.
00:38:45
Yep.
00:38:46
You did pass me his info.
00:38:47
I think if I'm not mistaken, 'cause I did bounce some questions you sent me a number an I don't even know if I like jotted down what the name was.
00:38:55
When I was communicating with this guy and asking questions, he was really helpful.
00:38:58
It's probably the same guy.
00:39:00
Oh yeah, he's got a Southern accent.
00:39:00
Uh.
00:39:02
Will have to come up with a good pseudonym for him, you know.
00:39:04
Yeah, well, I'd love to to talk to him and meet him.
00:39:06
'cause yeah, it's just been a couple of texts me asking some basic newbie questions.
00:39:10
You know trying to go into Auger and all these other different realms of cultivation, but I absolutely.
00:39:16
Yeah, he's done.
00:39:17
He's done the auger, you know, I think liquid cultures.
00:39:20
Yes.
00:39:22
He's kind of explored a lot of the things.
00:39:25
You know a lot of the different methods that you can in terms of like you know, home mycology and and he's even, you know, done some just straight up like edible mushrooms that are, you know, just for the hobby of it just to.
00:39:38
Yeah.
00:39:39
You know?
00:39:41
And then yeah, I learned from him is to keep it simple and.
00:39:46
OK.
00:39:48
And you know.
00:39:49
Start start with the basics and follow the rules.
00:39:54
Follow the guidelines for you know sterile work right to the T because you know a lot of people.
00:40:02
Get a little taste of success and then they're like, oh, I got this and then they start.
00:40:07
You know, getting a little sloppy with their work and then you know and then they start losing weeks and months worth of, you know, work to contamination occurs later on down the line and you know.
00:40:18
Yeah, it's it's probably best to just go back to square one and you know start with the basics and you know, follow the structure.
00:40:27
Yeah, that's always it.
00:40:27
But yeah, I'll definitely.
00:40:29
I'll give him a shout and see if he can come on here.
00:40:31
He's definitely.
00:40:33
Uh.
00:40:34
Open to sharing, you know knowledge and helping expand you.
00:40:39
Know common knowledge of it all, even though he's gotten he's derived a lot of his stuff.
00:40:44
From you know different message boards and different sites you know, like such as like the Shroomery and other places online, but.
00:40:49
Right?
00:40:52
Cool.
00:40:53
Yeah, I I'm definitely interested in that flow hood, so follow up with me on that.
00:40:54
Yeah.
00:40:58
For people that are listening, I don't know what the flow hood is.
00:41:00
I have mentioned it in the past.
00:41:02
Basically that's like the coup de grace of ways to prevent contamination in your workspace even though your buddy has had some issues with it like that just seems to be the gold standard for.
00:41:15
Labs in sterile settings where you really need to prevent all contamination particles from being present in the air.
00:41:21
So you basically set up your workspace on like a steel table in front of a highly rated HEPA filter that has.
00:41:31
Clear air coming through it and you point your workspace at the air flow coming from the HEPA filter.
00:41:37
That's where I want to be.
00:41:37
Right so here.
00:41:39
Their calculations in terms of how many cubic feet per second or how many cubic feet per minute need to be flowing through it in order for it to be a field of sterile error.
00:41:39
OK.
00:41:47
From the blower.
00:41:53
Gotcha.
00:41:53
Gotcha an when you have that field of sterile error and you work within it.
00:41:59
You know there should be, you know, no possibility for you.
00:42:03
Know any sort of other spores to land.
00:42:05
And in your workspace, so long as you're not, as long as you're still not bringing your hands above whatever it is that you're working on, right?
00:42:08
Is steel your spawn or whatever you're working on?
00:42:14
Or any of your tools above it, you know, like you're supposed to keep your hands off to the side you know, and never above.
00:42:20
And so I mean, it's.
00:42:20
Right?
00:42:21
But it's basically back to that step one sterile lab work, you know there.
00:42:26
Principles of you know how to do it?
00:42:28
Yeah, and as long as you follow the rules and.
00:42:30
Don't get sloppy I I love you man and it's good to see your face and I'm glad that you're doing well with the family expansion and.
00:42:30
OK.
00:42:40
Yeah, thank you.
00:42:41
Thank you so much for being on the podcast.
00:42:43
Did my pleasure.
00:42:44
It's it's an honor to be here, man, and did.
00:42:46
The feeling is mutual and I'm excited for you and Jill.
00:42:50
You know, it's thank you.
00:42:51
Thanks.
00:42:52
You know I'll also share with you some of the bits that I had found most useful in Early Parenthood and preparing for it and so forth, you know?
00:43:02
And and I have a book you gave me.
00:43:03
You know so.
00:43:03
I still have the book, so I'm working my way through that iteratively.
00:43:05
Sure sure, yeah.
00:43:06
'cause yeah.
00:43:07
I'll recommend a number of things that I found particularly useful that you know.
00:43:11
'cause there's a lot of information out there, but not all of it's great.
00:43:16
OK.
00:43:16
And you know, every baby is different too.
00:43:19
So what may have worked for me may not work for you, but you know you throw everything at the.
00:43:23
Wall and see what sticks.
00:43:24
Hell yeah man.
00:43:25
Well on that note, thank you Andy.
00:43:28
Thank you listening audience and have a great day.