Episode 4 - Music and Entheogens: The Perfect Couple

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Welcome back this is episode four of the MUstaSH ROOM podcast.

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I'm your host David Ben.

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Thanks for tuning in.

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Whether it's your first time or your end time.

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Thank you, we really are.

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Get it trying to spread the the word about mushrooms mush.

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Love is the phrase that they use in the industry.

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I don't know I'm qualified to use it, but I will bucket.

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I don't know.

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I'm in neo hippie.

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Here you go, Neo?

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Hippie meaning no Patchouli oil but yes I love just being more in touch with my spiritual self and not being evangelical.

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About mycology, fungee and how that can change your life but.

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The hey those that want to listen here we are.

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That's what the podcast is for on today's episode are the MUstaSH ROOM inside the MUstaSH ROOM.

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We have my good friend will and will is a musician and will actually get paid to perform music and so he's going to tell us or kind of we're going to talk about how music and psychedelics.

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Kind of go hand in hand with some great music and the right mindset and setting menu.

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Can really heighten your senses with some good music, so we'll weighs in on that really cool dude does a good perspective so he's a lot of fun to talk to.

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Will Jill not will but also will likes to use the phrase at will.

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So how?

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How coincidental is that?

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So be on the lookout for out.

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Will wifey, Jill.

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Not wifey.

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Will.

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Wifey Jill joins us to talk about the chaga mushroom, which has some pretty awesome health and medicinal benefits, so check that out.

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That said about the 10 minute mark well.

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With the intro will say the 1213 minute mark. I also have the introduction of a new segment segment where I talk about integration or I've got to kind of go through the integration process with which is post psychedelic experience and just kind of talk about. You know what happened? How I interpreted it, what I resolved it too.

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And it was kind of interesting.

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Jill joined me on that segment and she kind of got a little bit emotional, so it's a powerful piece.

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I tried to keep it light, but it's something that I want to delve into a little bit more and just make sure that you know people can share their thoughts and really just look a little bit deeper into the experience.

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And you know how they can get better meaning from it.

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If that makes sense.

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So that'll be fun, and I do and acknowledge the unofficial sponsors on this podcast.

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Again.

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They have no affiliation.

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They don't know I exist.

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Most likely an I'm just letting you know who I'm a fan of.

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Basically, unofficially today we're going to acknowledge the Home Depot.

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Anything that you need to build a mono tub is most likely at Home Depot.

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Recently they've been out of a lot of Rubbermaid tubs and other things.

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Maybe people are building their own mycology cultivation environment at home, or they're using it just to Patch it out of the garage either way.

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I love Home Depot. Also the Internet, specifically YouTube if you need to learn anything about mushrooms. I learned everything from YouTube from the Internet, just like you can. I can be the Prophet, the proxy for all this stuff I should say, and so I can. You know, I can give you as much as I can, but ultimately.

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If you look under the hood yourself, there's tons of **** online.

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Again, as I mentioned previously in an episode, these are not the most well groomed and aesthetically pleasing individuals that lead the mushroom industry.

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I personally find myself to be a very handsome man.

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That's what my mom tells me all the time, but these guys, they know what they're doing, but they're not going to walk the runway anytime soon.

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With that being said.

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But enjoy, this is the 4th installment of the MUstaSH ROOM.

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Here you go.

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You know my my bigger problem David is that you know the way that my brain works is that I can see the finished product or hear the finished product.

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But I often ignore all the details that are required to reach that end.

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Right measure twice cut once.

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Methodology sounds good.

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Not always attainable, depending on the timeline.

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No, it's measure twice cut 10 times or 10 times.

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OK.

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Yeah, but when you when you have a team behind you, yeah, that's great.

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You can focus on the end result, but you know, doing all this stuff.

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And you know, trying to build a personal brand.

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Sure.

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You, OK?

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I can't skip these details.

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I've gotta take the time to do these things, right?

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Well, Godspeed man.

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Stand up.

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So this this podcast, just since this is the first time you're on, and hopefully this will be the first of many times that you join us on the podcast.

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But since it's your first time we try to gear it around mushrooms, mycology, funghi.

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In some way, but I want to relate it to your sense 'cause you're a musician an you actually get paid to perform music, so you're a professional musician.

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As a musician I know like psychedelics, I call him entheogens the you know the the psychedelic, whatever your flavor is, they really kind of feed into the musicians writing process and creativity process and.

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I guess I wanted to kind of get your perspective as a musician on like how that stuff may influence you or you know you know it influencing others that you admire that you know and just kind of share that with us.

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'cause I think it'd be interesting for me in the listening audience.

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It's it's interesting it it's it's a longstanding relationship.

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Even The Allman Brothers have an album called Mycology From Way back in the day.

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No **** I didn't know that.

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Yeah, and it's it's.

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It's kind of a greatest hits album, but it's it's remakes and.

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I can't remember exactly what's on it, but I I listened to that album constantly years and years ago.

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Very cool.

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But it's you know the.

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The mushroom scene, as far as musicians go, it's it's more of a something that's taken when you're.

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When you're taking in music more as trying to write and put it out.

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OK.

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You know it, it kind of connects you to what's going on on a level that maybe you can't access when when you're drinking or doing other things or or even sober.

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I agree with that for sure.

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But it it certainly I could see how it opens people's minds to different perspectives, different outlets, even even in the performance aspect. You know, how are you presenting your light show? Or, you know, putting together a more broad show that draws people into the music you're playing that?

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Are on that different level with.

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Oh, so you know how to you know that you have access to heightened senses, so it's your responsibility because that's your audience to tap into those heightened senses.

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Correct, and the ones that do it best do it phenomenally.

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Yeah.

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I mean, think about especially the jammier bands or the the rock bands.

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Allman Brothers is one that comes to mind, but widespread panic even Dave Matthews to an extent.

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Make sure that the show you're taking in while the music is phenomenal.

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There's a lot more going on visually.

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That that makes it a holistic experience.

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When you go to see these fans live.

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Very cool, so like the the fish is of the world the Grateful Dead.

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The Pink Floyd's Dave found a way one way or another to tap into those heightened senses with the visual light shows and that kind of stuff that accompany them. They've kind of found their little niche.

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Sure, and it probably wasn't Dave himself, but someone on his team certainly knew what they were doing.

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Hell yeah.

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And when you talk about the dead of and Pink Floyd and those guys, while I'm sure there there were a lot of mushrooms going around, they they were kind of The Pioneers of LSD, an acid.

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So yeah.

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A much different but along the same vein, I suppose, yeah.

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Still an entheogen still a psychedelic.

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I personally you know I don't know how to manufacture LSD.

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So for me if I can grow it, then at least I'll I'll entertain the consumption at this point.

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That's kind of where I'm at.

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I'm a graduate to that an I don't discount it.

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But yeah, LSD for me, I still haven't fully tamed the beast.

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I did it as a kid and it was like recreational, but I've never done it therapeutically.

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So I'd be interested to head down that path at some point.

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It's a it.

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It.

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You know it.

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It's not for me.

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Yes.

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Yes, it's a little too all encompassing and intense.

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It is very.

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Very intense from what I remember.

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And I have the tendency even even if it's just drinking or smoking cigarettes to overdo things.

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Sure.

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Yeah, I tend to stay away from things that are very intense.

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Yeah?

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Sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.

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Here we go.

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Thank you wifey gel.

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Thank you happy to be here as always.

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How big is our baby right now?

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The size of a pear, you know?

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The size of a pair.

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Our baby girl size repair.

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I I should find a mushroom that it compares to every week.

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Yeah, like this week.

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Although at a certain point.

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It's a Lions mane kind of runs rampid, but like Portobello or.

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That's true.

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I do like that that's very, very in line with the theme of this podcast.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So brought you back.

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Thank you so much for taking time out of your puzzle assembly process.

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A painting actually.

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OK, so at one point you were doing a puzzle.

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I know I love puzzles.

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How many pieces was that puzzle?

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They're usually 1000 plus.

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All right, right so?

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I mean no, no silly games for me.

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Sorry, sorry, so when like when I read a book in the book is like 50 pages and I'm still overwhelmed though to touchen to think we'll just move right past that.

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You read a book.

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Article may be.

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Alright, so wifey Jill with furry son Brody on her.

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Lap and our future daughter in her belly.

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Please tell us which mushroom is being profiled today in your segment.

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We're going to be talking about chaga kwago mushrooms.

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Yeah.

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Bantilan, we verified the pronunciation.

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We did not shoga.

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It's definitely chaga.

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No.

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Who?

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Oh shabba, I love that song ASAP Rocky.

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Jugger ranks.

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Is that it maybe?

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No jabbering.

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Anyway, go ahead.

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Alright, we're talking about Chaga, so if anyone hasn't heard of it or seen it, I would imagine that you know over the past year or so, chaga has been, you know, more popularized with different extracts that are being sold on the market, mushroom coffees, mushroom teas.

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It is one of those super foods, highly nutrient dense mushrooms that are out there that has a significant amount of.

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Benefits you know that you can ingest and you know really get some some good out of.

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But I have to say you have to Google this mushroom if you've never seen it before and David just looked at it and his face is cringing.

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Need it.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it just looks like some burnt bark.

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Or like or like dried like bare turd, you know like it it looks like a piece of liquid turd that was set on fire and it's got like this.

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Yeah.

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Dark like black bark.

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Yeah.

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It looks nothing like a mushroom.

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The flesh actually within it is orange.

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Just to give you a little bit more of a distinction.

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Wait, let's let's pull that up here.

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'cause I have to see an orange flesh.

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Yeah, so so yeah, it's I.

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I can't say that I've confirmed whether these are readable.

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Or not, but definitely the benefits from it that can be extracted into tieszen mushroom, mushroom powder, mushroom coffees.

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So you're not sure if you can eat it and it's raw scent.

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So I would say yeah, if it like let's say you wanted to cut this mushroom off the tree 'cause these are found in northern Northern America on there mostly grown on Birch tree.

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Is so that is the substrate that you're looking at.

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Birch is also where umanita mascara are commonly found, yeah.

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OK.

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Yeah, and it looks like these are grown on live trees, not necessarily like a dead log or something that you would you know, particularly Bury like some other forms.

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Yeah I have a picture pulled up here.

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It looks like burnt sweet potatoes.

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Oh, that's a good like a like thrown in the campfire, burnt, charred sweet potatoes.

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Yeah, these are not attractive mushrooms. They're not trying to lure you in with their beauty. This this is far from the Eminem's. If the Omni mascara is like the most beautiful mushroom on the Birch tree.

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No man.

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No no no no.

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This is the.

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Least beautiful mushroom on that same tree.

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It is the ugly duckling of the family to say the least.

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However, from a medicinal standpoint, yeah, I think Folgers has a chaga variation now.

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So yeah, go when you say it's gaining steam medicinally and just for health values, I totally agree.

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Yeah, and so they're very ugly, but they're they pack a punch when it comes to you know lots of benefits that you can.

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And Octane obtained from these.

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So some of them.

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It is a nutrient dense superfood of rich by a wide variety of vitamins, minerals including B vitamins, vitamin D, potassium, amino acids, fiber, manganese, calcium, it has.

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The effect of slowing down the aging process that can be brought on from oxidative stress so that could be like exposure to sun or pollution that our body is the free radicals that we're trying to neutralize and maintain our.

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Health it's been shown to lower cholesterol, also preventing and fighting against cancer.

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Chaga mushrooms can also work.

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They work well with a lot of medicines out there that a sensually.

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Provide significant side effects so the chaga mushroom can help lessen some of those side effects.

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So for instance, chemotherapy chaga would be, you know, a great addition to your therapy there.

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Yes, I see here it says that.

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To.

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When in 2010 it found it could slow the growth of long breast and cervical cancer cells, that's amazing.

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Uh-huh Yep Yep that lowers blood sugar.

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It can fight inflammation, which right now I just I feel like inflammation is a hot topic when it comes to health.

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Overall lowering blood pressure, supporting the immune system, which is always important.

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So yeah, not.

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Just, you know, just a few experts on this, but studies like you had mentioned that will actually detail some of the benefits and can support the research.

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That's awesome, and the fact that you can get it so easily like in a powder form or some sort of you know readable format aside from having to eat the burnt looking sweet potatoes, that's a nice option.

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I like the fact that they've bundled him pretty easy so you can take him just like any other pill.

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Yeah, an I am looking it up so it does look like extracting it is is the way to go to get the most bang for your Buck again.

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I cannot confirm if it's poisonous by any means if you ate it raw or you know what other side effects.

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If you were to just eat it up the tree, but so if you do find it in the wilderness.

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Props to you.

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We have not come across those and it would be interesting, you know to keep our eyes out for them.

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Yeah, so definitely you know there's it's readily available with you know, many different companies and products, so I would suggest starting that route.

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We've actually used.

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We have some mushroom tea and some mushroom coffee.

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It's got a blend of mushrooms so I know that Chagas present in.

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And most of those and very faint taste it.

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I mean, usually it's got some cinnamon or cocoa to kind of offset it, but the taste is is pretty good.

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Awesome.

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Ah.

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And I looking at the pictures of this of the Chocolate Mushroom online.

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There are couple cool apps that I found.

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I haven't used him extensively as I haven't really been forging since Kovit has been kind of keeping me in the house, but there's one of them is called mushroom ify.

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Me.

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That's SHROOMIFY and it has the ability to identify fun. Guy has the ability to kind of learn about different strains and deadly and poisonous, funky and all kinds of stuff. So if you are out foraging and you see something that looks.

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Like Chaga looks kind of gross, but piques your interest.

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Try one of these apps, leaving a confirmation at least.

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Give yourself a little bit more confidence that you know you're harvesting what you think you're harvesting.

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So you take the pit a picture of it, and then it'll.

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It will display back with what it is or is it sent to experts?

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Good question, so there's an identify funky portion of the app where you can look at characteristics and kind of match them up.

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That way you can also search by name.

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OK.

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And then I don't think this one has where you can take a picture and have it resolve it to a strand, but there's another one in here that I found that I think does that and that one is called.

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I think it has a name here.

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This one was maybe on the sketchy side, but there are some where it'll actually take a photo and try to resolve it to a strand of mushroom.

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Yeah.

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So couple things to have in your toolbox, just in case you're out there and you know you're stranded and hungry and God only knows you.

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Yeah.

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Make the wrong decision.

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With a mushroom, it could go really.

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Early.

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Yeah, foraging I feel like is taking offen and people need to be aware of the correct and proper ways to forage.

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You know to keep the to keep the.

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The species alive and keep it going 'cause you know they will reproduce and they will grow back if you handle them correctly.

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That's a really good point.

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Yeah, if they've you know if they've already opened their veils and spread the spores, you know organic propagation of the species.

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And if you don't disrupt the mycelium to where you're preventing future growth of the mushroom, so that's a really good point.

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So.

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Jill, I think that's a good way to segue out.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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Thanks for having me.

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And hopefully everybody that listen to this segment learned a lot more about the chaga mushroom, and we love you and continue listening.

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And thank you so much.

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See yeah dude, I was able to perform an appendectomy at age 14.

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Yeah.

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I think I can handle a couple mushrooms.

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It's not just a TV show.

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Best.

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Did you see that Unicorn?

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Its horn was so shiny.

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This is the first installment of a new segment that I want to introduce where I talk about integration both well, let me first start off by saying.

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By explaining integration integration.

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Basically when you do a psychedelic experience or when you experience.

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Some sort of entheogen?

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It's my new word for psychedelics.

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When you experience in entheogen and that experience, the best way to kind of dissolve it, I should say resolve it to some sort of meaning to make sure that it gives you the most value is to do an integration session afterward.

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Now, it's actually been a little bit over a week since my.

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Last experience so.

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There's a little bit of time that's lapsed.

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Ultimately, I'd like to have no time, you know.

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Just jump right into it and be able to regurgitate.

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That's everything that's fresh, but I think I still have enough in my head and it was significant enough to wear a week passing.

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Won't compromise the the replay, so new segment bear with me as we make this rock solid, but.

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To help me with the experience I have wifey, Jill.

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She was with me actually.

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The unwillingly got brought into the situation and was awesome and helped me through it and really kind of helped make it as meaningful as possible.

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So wifey, Jill, thank you for being here.

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Yeah hi.

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Hi and she's a little bit, I hope you don't mind me explaining you're not super comfortable doing this.

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It's you know you saw me in a very vulnerable state and so I definitely don't want to have you feel like you know, pulling really kind of pulling things out of you if something makes sense.

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If something if you want to talk about something cool.

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Otherwise just thanks for being here.

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Uh huh.

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So I did announce on the last podcast.

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We are having a baby girl and I'm super stoked about that because it's just.

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I mean I feel like it's going to be a great addition to our family and I'm just really, really excited about the future and and you know, adding another member to this little family.

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But I learned that news.

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I learned that it's going to be a girl.

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Right before I took mushrooms, I should say before I took psilocybin last Saturday, I took about four and a half grams of ***** envy.

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Yeah.

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It was dried ***** envy. It didn't. You know, wasn't a phallic experience by any means, but yeah, it took 4.5 grams of dried ***** envy and I decided to do more of a therapeutic session as opposed to just hey, let's see. Fun colors and watch cool movies. So I put on a mask and I blocked out all the light and I put on my headphones.

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I listen to rising Appalachia, who is my recent favorite group for psychedelic experiences.

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I love their voices.

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And their instruments and whatnot.

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So I put myself in a really comfortable state laid on a bean bag and just kind of got into the zone.

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And it took awhile for me to actually really fully just fall into the experience.

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But once I did.

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I started to to really internalize what's about to happen.

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You know, the fact that I'm going to be a dad all my life.

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I wasn't sure whether I was capable, whether I was worthy.

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Whether I could lead another human when I basically thought I couldn't leave myself so all those circles of doubt.

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Those feedback loops those things that have been keeping me from from really embracing the opportunity to have a child.

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They all kind of came to me at once and it was.

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Hey to confront them and I had to deal with the fact that whether I like it or not, it's happening and I can't really explain all the in's and outs of it. But I was able to really make sense at the time of what was happening. An Angela you were there. I mean physically I was crying and I was convulsing at times and but what did you see just on the outside?

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Just being there with.

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Me.

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Well, I didn't see you until like an hour and 45 minutes had gone by.

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Uhm, you had come down and.

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I mean, I looked at the Clock and I knew that it was like still full fledged like it was still going and.

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I mean, you were just laying there and I was trying to comfort you and.

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Ann

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Yeah, convulsing is is accurate to describe.

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You looked extremely uncomfortable.

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And.

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I I did not.

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I did not like it.

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Yeah.

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And going back, if I could go back in time, I think it was I wasn't being respectful by by just doing it without running it by you first.

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I just thought, hey, I'm going to do this.

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It's going to be from my own introspection and therapy, and it's not going to involve.

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You, but ultimately there's always the possibility that a sherm experience can really go way outside.

00:23:53

I should say in anything entheogen experience can go way outside of the expectations, so you're setting your set your intentions.

00:24:00

All those things are super important, and I didn't do a good job of establishing that, so I do want to apologize if and when this happens again.

00:24:08

I absolutely want to make sure that it's a mutual understanding and approval going into the process.

00:24:14

Well, you had taken that amount before and it wasn't.

00:24:19

It was by no means this experience, so you know, knowing that you were doing it.

00:24:24

I was completely fine.

00:24:25

Like you know I was going to do my own thing.

00:24:29

You were going to watch movies and listen to music and just have fun and it just turned out to be a more serious experience like experience that then you've ever had, yeah.

00:24:43

You know the 1st 10:15 minutes of having the whole Jew.

00:24:47

An you being vulnerable was, you know, really it really warmed my heart that you know you trusted me to be that person.

00:24:55

But then I am not a shaman.

00:24:58

I don't know how to handle those situations and I did not like it.

00:25:02

Yeah, and I could tell that I tried to allay your concerns and say, hey, this is positive and you know this isn't negatively impacting me, but.

00:25:10

And I knew it was fine for you.

00:25:12

I just don't think you knew it, but for me.

00:25:14

Right?

00:25:16

And again, I apologize, and if I could go back I would you know, definitely get buy in for me to do that.

00:25:23

So if you're listening and you want to head down that path, definitely make sure you have a conversation with whoever is going to be around you.

00:25:30

Right, otherwise it'll turn out to be something that more than you bargained for.

00:25:35

But it was really cool.

00:25:36

I mean I, I don't know that I've talked about my grandpa on the podcast before, but my grandpa was really important to me.

00:25:43

I really appreciated him later on in life and he had three girls.

00:25:47

He never had a chance to have a boy.

00:25:49

I was his first grandson and.

00:25:52

You know I was his first boy essentially, so we really had a special bond and we didn't always live in the same city.

00:25:59

And so I moved away.

00:26:01

And, you know, there's always a little bit of uncertainty from his perspective, you know, am I doing OK because I don't live nearby?

00:26:07

And also with my mom and just some of the things that have happened, but I had to face.

00:26:12

All that stuff and I had to really.

00:26:14

Kind of deal with it man.

00:26:17

It was awesome and it was great and I feel so much more prepared to be a dad and I feel like there's so much more love underneath the covers in my soul because of just kind of channeling my grandpa.

00:26:30

Good old pot.

00:26:31

So I told my mom about that and she was just smitten by the fact that I could somehow channel his energy because.

00:26:38

It was such a positive force in infant influence in her life.

00:26:41

But yeah, having a girl, I had three girls.

00:26:44

There's a theme, but she's going to be a little ******

00:26:48

And so ultimately, the reason I wanted to have this experience and again thanks Jill, for being here.

00:26:53

I think every dad you need to look themselves in the mirror.

00:26:56

Every perspective Dad I did that.

00:26:58

I looked myself in the mirror.

00:26:59

I felt all the the push back all the angst, all that stuff and I really just had to kind of deal with it.

00:27:05

Powerful, hard, difficult, but really worthwhile.

00:27:09

So I just wanted to get that out.

00:27:10

I highly recommend anybody that's going to have that same, you know, be a father for the first time.

00:27:15

Explore some way to just kind of, you know, look yourself in the mirror, whether it be under the influence of a psychedelic or otherwise.

00:27:22

I really found it to be beneficial.

00:27:24

So I'll leave it at that again, regular segment hopefully to to give you on a perpetual basis to keep you informed as to how this stuff should go.

00:27:32

How it does go, and how to avoid some pitfalls.

00:27:35

I.

00:27:35

I personally have been listening to rising Appalachia.

00:27:38

It's like this folk music, they're a band that I've really taken to that genre for me.

00:27:44

Like if I'm in that headspace.

00:27:46

I've taken psychedelics or you know, I just want to be in some sort of like relaxed, isolated headspace.

00:27:52

They've been really cool.

00:27:53

They use a lot of you know, the South American instruments, the didgeridoos and those kinds of things, and their vocals are fantastic.

00:28:02

Interesting, that's that's not what I'm.

00:28:03

How about you?

00:28:04

I'm in awe, but I'll give him a listen.

00:28:06

Yeah, it's 2.

00:28:07

Two girls.

00:28:07

I think they went their separate ways, their sisters and just really do a good job meshing everything together.

00:28:13

You got anybody in particular that heightens your senses when you're you're under the knife, so to speak.

00:28:20

I don't know my my head all the time is like a kaleidoscope of different music spinning around so you know I've today just working in the garage.

00:28:31

I've gone from Bob Dylan over to Dave Matthews, Chris Stapleton.

00:28:37

It and I just jump when it when I feel like jumping I go Tyler Childers is a constant go to I I really kind of.

00:28:38

That sound ideas?

00:28:42

Who's Chris Stapleton?

00:28:48

Veer Tord the melancholy.

00:28:49

All the time and or acoustic stripped down.

00:28:50

OK.

00:28:53

I think there's a lot more feeling to that, or at least it it feels that way to me.

00:28:56

That's the way I experience it so.

00:28:59

When when I'm heightened I always kind of try and strip down those those extra trappings to get to kind of the reality and and like the.

00:29:05

Gotcha.

00:29:08

Is meaning of these songs right?

00:29:11

Very cool and I like when you can.

00:29:12

Actually when you can get into the right mindset where you can just get absorbed completely into that music and then everything else.

00:29:19

It just dissipates almost like a like inaudible version of a flow tank, just, you know, just completely at peace.

00:29:25

That's a beautiful state of being.

00:29:28

And with with music that's hard for me to get to.

00:29:31

And when I really want to get to that space.

00:29:33

It's it's almost silence, or you know something that because when I listen to music, whether I like it or not, there's a part of me that's analyzing what I'm hearing.

00:29:35

OK.

00:29:43

Well, 'cause that's your genre of art.

00:29:44

So yeah, I totally get that.

00:29:46

That's gotta be tough for you to fully disconnect.

00:29:46

So you you have.

00:29:47

Winding yourself up, you have more than more than you relax.

00:29:51

Abs.

00:29:51

Absolutely, absolutely well cool man, I I wanted to I've been growing this strain of mushrooms.

00:29:59

I don't know you haven't seen my most recent set up have you?

00:30:02

I have not.

00:30:02

OK, you'll have to stop by at one point and see what I'm working with, but I've been growing cultivating a number of different strains and one that I've been working with recently that's been kind of problematic and just kind of quirky.

00:30:16

Is albino ***** envy?

00:30:19

Yeah, it's the acronym is Ape, so if you see eight mycology or you know ape psilocybin, they're referring to albino ***** envy and the reason they call it albino ***** envy is because it looks pretty phallic, almost like a ***** in its most mature state of mushroom.

00:30:36

So I've been playing with this strain an it's almost impossible to harvest its spores.

00:30:42

Here.

00:30:42

Let me pull up a picture.

00:30:43

I'll share this screen for you.

00:30:46

To to do share the screen?

00:30:50

Is going to be like a row search test or something.

00:30:52

Yeah, well, what do you see in this?

00:30:54

This mushroom

00:30:54

Mushroom Oh no, no like I like black blot art kinda thing.

00:30:58

So yeah, this can you see this?

00:31:01

Yes.

00:31:02

Alright, so aipa very strange. Mushroom is the title of this on magicmikeo.com but.

00:31:08

Albino ***** envy envy you can see here.

00:31:11

These are little qodesh they call that an ape cluster bomb.

00:31:15

If you're listening these look like tiny little ***** qodesh.

00:31:18

I guess that's a redundant term, but you can see.

00:31:20

And it's like the rat King of penises.

00:31:22

Yeah, it's like a try peenis like they if you wanted a foursome with a woman with three.

00:31:28

I don't know.

00:31:28

Yeah, I don't know where.

00:31:29

One dude, one dude with three penises in a lady a.

00:31:30

I was going.

00:31:34

Foursome with only two people?

00:31:36

So you can see here with the gills like there's not much Gil to work with, so harvesting spores from the albino ***** envy is really tough.

00:31:45

It just has like a tiny little veil, almost like it's been circumsized already kind of look to it and so if you want to propagate this species somewhere else, you almost have to take like.

00:31:56

A culture from the flesh of the mushroom, or get it in its liquid culture form.

00:32:02

That's how I got it in its liquid suspended liquid sugary form in a syringe.

00:32:08

We haven't talked about liquid culture on the podcast too much, but that's kind of like the.

00:32:14

Best way to get your mushroom cultivation process started.

00:32:19

Like with this suspended mycelium.

00:32:22

And so, like I said, I'll talk about that more down the road.

00:32:25

But you can see here look, it looks like a big fat little.

00:32:28

Showed.

00:32:29

Huh?

00:32:30

It's just that it just just to see how it feels just for a minute.

00:32:30

Yes.

00:32:31

Yeah.

00:32:34

Just for a second, yeah, so you can see though that it oxidizes this one here is completely white, like through and through mine oxidized really quickly, so when they were exposed to the oxygen they started to turn green.

00:32:48

Let me see if I can find a color example of that.

00:32:53

Yeah, so see here in this picture.

00:32:55

The caps are green.

00:32:57

Yes.

00:32:58

'cause they've oxidized.

00:32:59

They've kind of been exposed to oxygen for a little longer, so it starts to set in well.

00:33:03

Mine like got really, really green and they didn't grow very tall and they were really stubby and short, so I didn't get a great harvest.

00:33:13

Normally I'll get really plentiful harvest, like I'll show you an example here like.

00:33:18

This sort of harvest, like a bunch of mushrooms all in my tub, but with this albino ***** envy like here's what I was hoping to get.

00:33:27

But mine just didn't make it there.

00:33:29

I don't think I took it actual picture, but I was a little bit disappointed.

00:33:33

But people say that this is a.

00:33:35

It's an extremely potent strain of mushroom.

00:33:37

Like if we go back to this.

00:33:40

This article here let me read this to you.

00:33:44

Among some of the oddest fun guy and I verified that it's funky, not fungi, 'cause I had kind of been pronouncing it both the artist funky to come through the Magic Mike.

00:33:54

Oh lah blah blah blah.

00:33:54

The ape strain albino ***** envy.

00:34:00

To do, it's a hybrid of ***** envy, an albino PF which I'm not familiar with.

00:34:06

Albino PF and is extremely potent.

00:34:08

Change.

00:34:11

So it doesn't produce as well as other strains are.

00:34:15

They tend to be small and plump, so I guess my experience is commensurate with like what's to be expected, like a ******

00:34:22

Harvest.

00:34:24

But I did actually take let me go grab.

00:34:27

I'm going to put this on pause.

00:34:29

I'll just actually if you if you want to talk for a second, I'm going to run over here and grab my dried albino ***** envy.

00:34:36

Sure I.

00:34:37

It's up to you.

00:34:38

You're going to save the podcast.

00:34:41

So I'm taking over hosting duties here, but I have no one to speak to, so that'll be interesting.

00:34:47

It's it's.

00:34:50

You know, most people will probably turn off the podcast at this point.

00:34:53

I hope not.

00:34:55

I I've been told that I have voice for radio.

00:35:00

Which is good because I also have a face for radio, so you know, I, I hope that these these soothing sounds are really drawing you in and and making you wait for David to return.

00:35:14

D.

00:35:14

She said the podcast.

00:35:16

I did, it's it's good now we can just stop here.

00:35:18

It's it's only gonna go downhill.

00:35:20

The podcast has been saved.

00:35:22

Wow, that was clutch man.

00:35:23

You know, whenever you hand over the reins entirely for the podcast, you never know if it's going to be saved.

00:35:28

But thank you for that.

00:35:30

This right here, can you see these dried these dried mushrooms?

00:35:35

Yes.

00:35:36

These are the dried albino ***** envy.

00:35:40

See how small they are like.

00:35:41

These are really small.

00:35:44

So I'm looking at a plastic bag that says albino ***** envy.

00:35:48

So like this is one of the better ones, completely dried up this one.

00:35:52

And that's like like a thumb like the tip of your thumb size maybe.

00:35:56

Yeah, yeah, so that's one.

00:35:58

But then here's a small one.

00:36:02

So like it's just a little chhod.

00:36:05

I like the tip of your pinky finger kind of here.

00:36:06

Exactly so I mean like and that was kind of the the.

00:36:11

The majority of them were just that tiny little little nug this right here is the actual ***** envy, not the albino, but the traditional ***** envy strain.

00:36:20

Now see this one here.

00:36:21

Those were actually much bigger.

00:36:23

A long stemmed.

00:36:24

Yeah, long stem, but they did grow like a ***** I mean, these are phallic looking structures, so you're going to get what you want.

00:36:31

One of them is just going to be a little more.

00:36:35

Unendowed, or a little lacking, if you will.

00:36:38

So what do you think caused that to two underproduce, so to speak?

00:36:42

Yeah, I don't know.

00:36:43

I don't know if they have different requirements for the substrate or maybe lighting or.

00:36:50

Humidity requirements.

00:36:52

I haven't done my due diligence.

00:36:54

We lost will wheels out of the picture.

00:36:58

My job I have to save the podcast.

00:37:00

OK I have to save my own podcast.

00:37:02

Alright so wheels back I just something with the something with the growth environment I think I have seen people online.

00:37:09

They get these crazy.

00:37:10

Did you just take a swig of?

00:37:12

No no.

00:37:14

Wheels on the other end of the podcast, taking swigs of straight, was that Tito's?

00:37:20

I got yeah.

00:37:21

My man musicians you ******* creative *******

00:37:24

Well, it's Friday right.

00:37:26

Yes.

00:37:27

Happy hours started at.

00:37:28

Nine I love.

00:37:29

It so the ape strain of mushrooms.

00:37:32

I'll have to indulge an reply back or get back to you in the audience with like how the experience goes, but supposedly that's the coup de grace.

00:37:41

The psilocybin strains.

00:37:43

Interesting, yeah and like you.

00:37:44

Yeah.

00:37:45

And I have talked about whether it.

00:37:47

It's.

00:37:48

You know art or growing plants or mushrooms?

00:37:52

There's there's a certain amount of failure involved in and experimenting and tweaking your process, and you know, learning from those failures is an important part of the process.

00:37:59

Yeah.

00:38:02

Totally yeah, kind of reading. You know, in your case I'm reading the room or reading your audience, that kind of stuff. In this case, you know, reading nature, getting nature's perspective on things. And yes, it's an iterative process for Sherman.

00:38:16

It is, and there's there's infinite outcomes, right?

00:38:19

There's there's so many inputs into the process of growing anything, really that.

00:38:25

That it it. It becomes once you get very good at it and you can TuneIn then you can kind of direct the process a little bit, but you have to go through that learning period on any new strain. I'm sure to go OK. This is what it likes. This is what it doesn't like, and you introduce any small thing into that process. I'm sure it changes the whole outcome along the way.

00:38:46

I mean, yeah, you're I'm playing not God like I'm not doctor Moreau, but you know I am I'm growing some **** you know I'm making stuff I'm influencing.

00:38:55

Science and it's I mean science is ******* cool weather.

00:38:59

Whether it's information science like I worked on it or mycology science should is amazing and fascinating.

00:39:09

And that's that's.

00:39:09

Well Luckily we have.

00:39:10

We have people who have come before us, so we don't necessarily have to start from zero, but that reading about something and learning about it and then actually doing it are two very different things.

00:39:21

No doubt man, no doubt I did want to talk about one of the things that came up recently.

00:39:27

I was talking to some guy.

00:39:29

Guy that I that I train jiu jitsu with and he was telling me you know talking about acid and you know the right setting to take acid and we were talking about it and we mentioned somebody was contemplating doing it.

00:39:44

Without telling their wife or telling their significant other kind of like doing it secretly secretively and I was like don't don't do that.

00:39:52

You know don't have that secrett looming when you drop acid and that kind of made me kind of segue in my mind.

00:40:00

And I I really need to to be more evangelical about setting setting when people take psychedelics.

00:40:07

I mean not that I'm the Prophet that's here to, you know.

00:40:10

Send the gods message to responsibly take psychedelics.

00:40:13

But if you take take them in the wrong set mindset or setting like the physical or mental setting, you can really create a bad situation for yourself so.

00:40:22

Right, yeah, there are nothing.

00:40:23

I mean, you can prevent it.

00:40:25

There are enough things going on in my own brain that I don't need to add to that stress, but some people kind of thrive in that high pressure.

00:40:28

Yeah.

00:40:31

Ah.

00:40:36

Kind of negative feedback scenario.

00:40:40

I would not do it that way because that's not why I don't do anything to put additional pressure on myself.

00:40:43

Let's see.

00:40:49

I I have enough of that as it is.

00:40:50

Right, yeah?

00:40:52

Like showing up to court high like don't get high that day.

00:40:55

Go go when you can go to the park and be high not in front.

00:40:58

Right?

00:40:59

It could be.

00:40:59

The judge.

00:41:00

You create this negative feedback loop and it just snowballs to a point where you just want to sit in a corner in the dark and hug a teddy bear or something.

00:41:04

Right?

00:41:09

Right, like if you want to challenge yourself.

00:41:11

I mean you know, go do a Spartan games or something but.

00:41:14

Don't challenge it.

00:41:14

This yourself by taking acid with a bunch of secrets in your head.

00:41:17

They're going to drive you crazy.

00:41:19

Right, I've got enough of those, let's go.

00:41:21

Yeah.

00:41:22

Yeah, there's so many secrets are how do I manage all these secrets, plus another big one that I now have new in my head that I can just completely stress over the next four or five hours.

00:41:30

That sounds awful.

00:41:31

Right and one sideways look just spins it all out.

00:41:34

Oh God Ann.

00:41:35

Oh no, Oh no.

00:41:38

She found out this.

00:41:39

Who did you do, yes.

00:41:41

Thankfully no.

00:41:42

Oh God, and as a kid, I mean I learned it the hard way.

00:41:44

As a kid we would drop acid and then just go just to some random place like no planning, no like.

00:41:52

Are the cops going to be there?

00:41:54

I mean anything that could potentially drive you nuts.

00:41:57

As a kid we didn't seek it out or be proactive in any way about that.

00:42:01

Now I mean, you do your homework, you know you.

00:42:05

You prepare properly.

00:42:06

You can have a good psychedelic experience.

00:42:08

There's a formula to it, for sure.

00:42:11

Right, and I think you know when you're younger, you do it for a number of reasons, but it's certainly different from the reasons you do it now.

00:42:18

Right?

00:42:19

After you've you've kind of grown up a little bit.

00:42:22

Exactly.

00:42:22

And figured out you know you narrow in overtime.

00:42:25

What you enjoy?

00:42:27

You know whether that's art, music, television, movies or you know the.

00:42:32

The drugs you choose to take you kind of figure out.

00:42:37

OK, this is for me.

00:42:38

This is how I like it.

00:42:39

This is how I like to do it.

00:42:41

That's just you mature in in your your taste.

00:42:44

Exactly.

00:42:45

Exactly, yeah, that's and so that kind of just reminded me of times where I wasn't as responsible and I just Willy nilly went into a psychedelic experience and.

00:42:55

If I could go back and do it again, I clearly would have been just a little bit more sensitive to to the setting, and definitely the mindset.

00:43:02

But you live and learn.

00:43:04

Yeah.

00:43:05

I mean, that's that's all you can do is hope you do better the next time, right?

00:43:10

Oh yeah.

00:43:10

So what I guess you know, I hit you up with the music questions.

00:43:15

What you know?

00:43:17

This podcast is for people that are interested in mushroom cultivation or like mushrooms for medicinal use or culinary use or just any mycology or funky related subject matter.

00:43:28

Do you have anything that you want to add or anything that kind of piques your interest that you want to share with the audience?

00:43:34

Before I let you out of here.

00:43:36

So two things and one is very quick is that.

00:43:37

Yes.

00:43:40

Until you and I started talking about this, I had never really considered where mushrooms, magical or not, came from.

00:43:49

Aww

00:43:50

Right?

00:43:50

You know, they they show up in the grocery store or whatever, and I take him home and eat them and enjoy them.

00:43:55

But when you and I started telling him, well, this isn't like corn where I can drive down the highway and see rows and rows.

00:44:02

That going on. So that's just an interesting thought is something that I took for granted and never really considered. Yeah, and I'll have to explain it, you know, explore that a little further, because clearly you know the portobellos on buying at King's Supers are not grown and cultivated the same way as what you're doing.

00:44:21

Exact.

00:44:22

Bye.

00:44:22

Even though the processes may be similar, it's it's just interesting that that's that's an industry of its own.

00:44:29

On a lot of levels, I'm sure.

00:44:30

Their mushroom farmers, like farmers, adjust.

00:44:33

That's all they do is cultivate mushrooms.

00:44:35

Cool.

00:44:36

Yeah, I mean that's unreal like you live in the dark and the **** and you just kind of go for it.

00:44:37

Yeah.

00:44:42

Do you think?

00:44:42

Yeah, I mean you have to have a decent amount of indoor space to work with, so it's not like you can just have like outdoor crops everywhere, so it allows your real estate is a little bit managed a little bit differently. But yeah, people just focus 100% on mushrooms as their farming product.

00:45:00

I mean, that's that's unreal now.

00:45:02

Yeah.

00:45:02

The the other thing, and that that was just kind of that was kind of spun my mind for a minute and I need to wrap my brain around it.

00:45:09

But the other I was reading a book that's basically an excerpt of interviews from the guy who did the four hour workweek.

00:45:17

Yeah, Tim ferriss.

00:45:19

Correct, thank you.

00:45:20

Yeah.

00:45:21

You couldn't think of his name, so I'm glad you came up with it.

00:45:23

But one section of these interviews deals with a lot of high powered executives and very successful people who are very into micro dosing.

00:45:33

It's big out in Silicon Valley, suppose.

00:45:33

Yeah.

00:45:35

Wait?

00:45:36

As a viewed Heitner an and those kinds of things that increasing perception and as as kind of the the thought about things like marijuana and mushrooms across the country changes for for the positive.

00:45:41

Sure.

00:45:49

That's a really interesting thought.

00:45:52

Instead of taking Zoloft or whatever boot enhancer, you need to take is.

00:45:57

Let's try something natural an and kind of.

00:46:01

Unobtrusive first before we really start messing with our brain chemistry.

00:46:06

Do that such an amazing point.

00:46:08

We've discussed that previously on the podcast.

00:46:11

I personally take Lexapro for my anxiety an you know, I've opened about that, but I've done a lot of research in in long term.

00:46:19

They say there really are no negative side effects.

00:46:22

It actually helps mitigate dementia.

00:46:25

But that's that's as much as I'll do pharmaceutical wise other than maybe some Cialis if I have trouble.

00:46:32

You know doing my manly duties here and there but other than that pharmaceutically know man if you could do something naturally.

00:46:38

I mean if you can get pain relief naturally if you can therapeutically heal yourself even a fraction using something that's natural.

00:46:47

Absolutely explore that first.

00:46:49

I mean the fact that I, you know, I used to go to therapy and talk to a therapist with all these reservations and really not get a whole lot out of it just because I was limiting myself and for whatever reason the chemistry wasn't there.

00:47:02

I take some mushrooms and I really look myself in the mirror and and take the time to to allow that to marinate into my soul.

00:47:08

There's no therapy like that that I can pay hourly to get.

00:47:12

I mean, that's that's therapy that is delivered in a mechanism that you just can't replicate with traditional means.

00:47:19

So I mean, if you can get that naturally ******* a man, yeah.

00:47:22

Do that hell yeah.

00:47:24

Yeah, I mean it's nearly impossible to step outside of yourself and look back in you too many preconceptions and things that are tide and ego.

00:47:26

Yeah.

00:47:32

And those kinds of things that are hard to strip away.

00:47:34

Absolutely man.

00:47:35

As long as the pharmaceutical Big Pharma has their hooks into government, you're going to have a lot of resistance to psilocybin.

00:47:42

You're gonna have a lot of resistance to cannabis organizations like Maps that really tried to promote the use of MDMA and other psychedelics or substances to help people with PTSD.

00:47:55

They're not going to get a lot of traction because.

00:47:57

Big Pharma doesn't have their their hands on it, which sucks.

00:48:02

Until until they can figure out how to get it.

00:48:05

It surprises me that you know Phillip Morris and those guys haven't haven't figured out how to break into the marijuana business and.

00:48:12

Yeah, maybe it doesn't want him.

00:48:13

Be that.

00:48:14

Maybe it's just 'cause the marijuana business doesn't want it so nontraditional that maybe Big Pharma is just it's a clash of heads.

00:48:20

I'm hoping that's what it is, but.

00:48:22

It's a mindset thing, certainly yeah.

00:48:24

Yes.

00:48:25

You know a lot of in it.

00:48:29

Maybe this is the wrong word, but you know, marijuana and mushrooms tend to be counterculture anyway, so too I think it would be tough to get a lot of people to buy in to buying those things from a huge Corporation.

00:48:34

Yeah.

00:48:42

Right right?

00:48:42

I mean they'll find a way to, maybe, you know, make some synthetic blend of that and something else to treat.

00:48:49

You know, I know CBD is big for seizures and other things.

00:48:54

They'll find some way to make some synthetic blend and put their stamp on it.

00:48:57

But yeah, I can't see them selling flower at the pharmacy, Walgreens and CVS having like a.

00:49:02

A flower section.

00:49:04

The Marlboro man over there.

00:49:07

It's ******* amazing.

00:49:09

Well, well, I love you man.

00:49:10

Thank you for joining us on the podcast.

00:49:12

I I don't know how many people are waiting for the new episodes of this podcast to drop.

00:49:18

I know I am.

00:49:19

I know if I was a listener I would be but right now the listening base might be limited so feel free to spread the word.

00:49:26

I'm working on the website and all the fluff.

00:49:29

That that I need to get going, but it's just good to have you on and hear your voice.

00:49:32

Man.

00:49:33

Hey my pleasure.

00:49:34

It's a lot of fun and I hope this was worth the wait for your listeners.

00:49:38

It's been what a month since we've been trying to get together.

00:49:41

Next time I promise it won't be as difficult, but hey, man, I will talk to you later and we will have you back.

00:49:47

Sounds good, brother, thank you.

00:49:47

Sounds good.