Episode 18 - Plant-Based Medicine Abroad, Umami, & Luigi's Existential Crisis
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Welcome back to the MUstaSH ROOM. I'm your host, David Ben. We have another great episode of the podcast. We actually get a return visit from Amanda. This time we also talked to our business partner Boris. They're in Spain, getting ready for an 8 day retreat and had an opportunity to chat about ayahuasca and how they use plant based medicine for healing. My cynical sister drops in to talk about Mario and how she feels Luigi was marginalized throughout the entire Mario Brothers saga. Also, the role of mushrooms and how the mushrooms in the game actually mimic some real life mushrooms and effects, which is kind of cool. Also, what happens when your contractor turns out to be a white supremacist?
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I have some first hand experience. We also get a visit from my lovely wife Jill who educates us on umami and how it correlate. Stew magic, mushroom powder and last but not least, we debuted the newest song about our questionably behaved cat. Don't eat that, Mook.
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This is episode 18 of the MUstaSH ROOM podcast. I am your host David Ben hope you enjoy here Amanda, how are you?
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Hi.
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Thanks for having us, yeah.
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Of course, thanks for being here. Where are you in Spain right now?
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Uh, in the South in Marbella? So really far South and our retreat is about 15 minutes away. Even further. From here we're in the we went hiking today in the mountains, which was really nice.
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Fantastic.
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OK.
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And our shaman arrived yesterday from Ecuador, so he's here, which is good.
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Fantastic.
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It's really good, it's great.
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How big is your group?
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Uhm, the first Group 9 and then the next one is well, 12.
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OK.
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Yeah, we keep it.
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Pretty small, our groups are pretty.
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Pretty intimate well.
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Yeah, I saw I saw on the website that 12 was the Max.
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Yeah, yeah, we've learned we've had some more before, but we were spread thin, so we've learned that that's like our sweet spot and then everybody gets some care.
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Sure.
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Especially for newbies, because most of people who come to us.
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I try and I've asked for the very first time and we don't know yet how to navigate your experience. You really need the car from from the chairman and facilitators and the Chairman is also human. If you can't navigate certain people at once. Everyone has its own intention, so that's why it's important to keep it simple and small.
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Sure.
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Yeah, I can appreciate that the the the more the more intimate attention you can have from whomever is kind of helping you through the experience I I can appreciate that so that.
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Exactly.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's true because you know sometimes people are coming and then they think that on the very first ceremony they're gonna get all the answers. But I was yeah, it's a process you need to go slowly but surely the well, sometimes only after four days you can see that a person can open up and finally get into the projects and.
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Sure.
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What is, I think, the most important, but the person can connect, feel the connection with Alaska because in the end of the day, it's all about the connection between you and the plan and to to achieve it. A very special type of setting and atmosphere is needed.
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Absolutely.
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Now with with your retreats, how many?
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Different ceremonies will you actually go through with your group before everything said.
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I'm done.
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Well, you know, by the way we are really excited right now because we're going to have a longer retreat and these two groups will host for eight days each. And usually we were doing it only for six days and through the six days we had St ceremonies with I waska and one session.
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OK.
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This combo and also we mix it with the work with different math.
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For plans, what I mean is that Alaska is not everything, it's just the top of the iceberg. You know there is a pad beneath water, so for example, after the second ceremony we are drinking a specialty that is made out of several plants up to five different plants. You drink like 3 liters.
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Sure.
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And then you puke. And yeah it is incredible because you know sometimes after the ceremony, you still feel like you have something inside and you'd want to release it and.
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I was talking about this last encouraged team, but.
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Yeah.
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I've asked ceremony is always about Persian about releasing uh, oh, that's why this combination can work incredibly. It's important to work with many different plans, not to be only concentrated on ayawaska otherwise. Otherwise we're gonna miss a lot.
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Yeah.
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So you've figured out that combination of plants for the experience, overtime kind of just trial and error, figuring out which ones work best together.
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And like allowing people to what we talk about is surrendering. So like the first couple ceremonies, sometimes people can't surrender to I and they just can't. So that's why more ceremonies and then so now we will have an additional ceremony and then we will do a tea drinking ceremony that will really allow them to purge on.
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With Camboa as well. So this is going to be interesting. It's we're going to add that on because.
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Sure.
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Because it seems people really like it and at the originally we were doing it after Anaya ceremony. So I a would be five or six hours and then we do the T Purge and that could be a long day very long. So now we're just going to kind of give it its own ceremony and see how it is. But yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Rather answering your question so we do it this way on our previous retreats, but now we're going to have a longer program in days, and through this eight base we will have four ceremonies without vascular like regular ceremonies. But also we will have one ceremony in Ecuador, they call it not a mum.
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OK.
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In Peru they call it poor Guasca. What does it mean? It means that you can drink. I've asked and not only the way everyone knows, you can only the first part. They've been stroboscopy wine and in truth I call it like I've asked. See it's a low concentrated I was combined.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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That contains merise inhibitor monoamine oxidase, and you can drink it in large quantity.
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OK.
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This and it it is also really healing ceremony. It's it's very beneficial because it will. It can walk us until that person. It can detox your body. It can bring a lot of insights and it doesn't contain any plant that that bring DMT into the broom.
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Beneficial for your health.
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Ah.
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So this is a different type of.
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Walk, sometimes even a deeper type because you're kind of getting connected with the plant without any external push, yeah.
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Interesting.
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So this is like after what we talked about micro dosing for a while. You can connect and have the same I visions.
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So.
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Yeah.
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With just be copy with what he's talking about, like you find that you kind of find that wave and then you're able to work with it. So we are going to do a night with just to be copy.
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My I'm saying that go to kind of show.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And if show people doesn't see how they are and see how it goes. So without the psychedelic element at all with no DMT so.
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Wow.
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Well it can.
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It can still bring illusions and the ultimate state of consciousness. I was combining even pure Vasco. Brian is a very powerful plan.
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Oh yeah.
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Sometimes worst kind of underestimate the power of you. I was quiet.
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So the so you said it's it's a different part of the the root, a different part of the plant that's not DMT containing.
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Yeah, both.
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For those who don't know why Voskuhl usually contains 2 plants, a simple voice profile was 'cause the first one is. I was combine in Astropy, scalping that blocks the enzymes and our bodies that breaking down DMT and other neurotransmitters and as well by paramin. So this is the first part. I was quiet and the second part of the blue is usually the empty container.
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OK.
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Plant like Chickun and true or it would be a chilly panga in Ecuador or remotes in Brazil, but even without the second part.
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OK.
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I was still can be very powerful and extremely healing.
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Fantastic.
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But that other like these leaves or something to bring in the DMT element. So like, let's say I went to drink Ayawaska most of the time. They're meaning the combination of both of these things. But very few, yeah.
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OK.
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Understood.
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Very few people are like, oh, I just drank straight ayawaska out there.
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They're meaning the combination of those two.
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OK.
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Has an interesting moment. You know that usually people saying that Amazonian killers and the Shermans were drinking the same. I've asked as we do right now for thousands of years.
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But in reality, there is no evidence for this because rainforest is just vanishing all the evidence. So you can say for sure how they were preparing the blue. But what we do know for sure is that local healers and shamans and Amazon they were using pure ministro Piscotty for thousands of years.
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Yeah, unfortunately.
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Fantastic.
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Uh, even not only in the Amazon, by the way, also in Chile in believe.
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Yeah, you can see that in some caves they can find mummies with some ceremonial tools and disrobe scorpions. They can also make analysis with their hair and find when they were using the stroboscopy. So this is like the real traditional way of using Nebraska for sure. For 100%. The way how Amazon they're doing it for thousands of years.
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Very cool, yeah.
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What was the what was the component again that was purged? The purge? T What was that called?
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Again, is it just purged too?
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So this is what?
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It is I want to wine how it's only known or the scientific name is that.
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OK.
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Just say it's slow 'cause it's like.
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I fell out.
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I was combining and the scientific name as being a stropus, denistry opsis copy, that's why.
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OK, I'll probably never.
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On the website we have be copy, I just say not be. That's the shorter way to say it and that's hopefully Microsoft. But we also sell, so it's be copy. It's just Grapevine. Yeah, it's a very difficult word even when.
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Varia
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Way easier.
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OK.
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You know when you don't have the language.
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Yeah, I'll never be able to say that never I have.
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I guess would be.
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Guess would be.
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The last time I didn't either, I was like I'm not going to butcher this. I should do it.
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Now, Amanda, you had mentioned that you you run purgeable, you're the never Purge, which makes you an anomaly.
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Uhm?
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I'm worried about this actually because the chaumet he arrived yesterday and he looks under my eyes and he's like.
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I brought something like 30 of like no, he goes just get ready. I was like I'm afraid if it unblocks it's gonna be all night so they're all gonna have to be up with me 'cause it's just gonna be years of whatever I have.
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Wow, so that's got to be difficult though too. Like I personally I loathe vomiting. It's just the the pain in my stomach. It's it's a. It's a really painful experience. So how do you get people in the right mindset, knowing that they're absolutely going to purge? That's the whole goal of the experience.
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It seems very intimidate.
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Think.
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Yeah, that's I.
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Think that's the biggest fear that everybody has, like right before 'cause I'm normally checking in, and what I do tell them is the next day you will laugh that that was even a concern because it ends up becoming like such a normal part of it. But you know it's going in this together. I we remind them.
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OK.
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That this is like a part of it, so you should kind of be excited if you're purging because she's getting ready to work with you like this is, you know so this moment, and you can feel better afterwards.
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OK.
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Also with purging, I found personally and with some others that you feel you know sometimes you can get into that really quickly into the eye space and you can feel alone. But sometimes if somebody purges next to you or make some noise, you remember that like you are a part of this group like you're all together and so it can be very comforting.
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OK.
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Or it sounds like the jungle. We've had a shaman say so it can be like a jagwire is like walking in like water. Things like that so.
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Yeah, I think a lot of women are worried about that or the bathroom or things, but you know, after the first night it's just a part of it. It it becomes, you know, it becomes nothing, you know.
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Yeah.
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And you'd get back, sorry.
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Yeah no. That's why in my experience I just know that preparation is key for great results.
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And nowadays a lot of people have contacted me and they they feel confused after ceremonies. They don't know if something went wrong. Was their experience normal or not? And it's happening only because they didn't have enough preparation before they stepped into the fire and drink ayawaska.
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Yeah.
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That's like two sides of the ceremony that sometimes we do not consider the preparation and integration.
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So if you prepare people in the right way, everything gonna be great. So what I ask is doing and I will ask, is reorganizing our physical body our meant our mind and our spirit but to to to do this organization you have to purify yourself 1st and once you're able to release.
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Then
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Stuff when you are able to purify yourself, then you can make this organization so.
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Virgin is a part of the process without without purging. It's very difficult to feel purified overly things, so this is just a emotional, physical and spiritual porch.
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That makes sense.
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OK.
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And there are two types of purging, so it's the traditionalist throwing up, but you can also purge.
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Out the other end, there's there's sweat purging so some people like that. I'm one of these people that I will just start dripping and sweat like it's it's coming out. So there are different.
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OK.
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Types, but yeah, this is a. It's a big part of it and people are afraid of it like nobody wants to sit there. You get very few people that are like yeah, I can't wait to throw up, but the better your diet is before it like the more gentle it can be and the more more ready that you are for this. So like.
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Ah.
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If you really follow it.
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Your stomach is clean, your body is clean. You've shown respect to the to the medicine. Then it can really help quite a bit.
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It's in the way the same is when you're entering the temple. You know in some religious before you enter the tape, that Temple you have to wash your feet. It's end of the same desire guasca before you enter the world of Oscar, you have to wash.
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OK.
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Yourself, you have to purify it, and purging is exactly the part of this process.
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Understood.
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I love that.
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Yourself physically and will not bring your own sheet into their work if I want.
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I love it now Amanda. People that listen to the last episode they're familiar with you. Please introduce yourself.
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Yep.
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I don't have a Coca Cola.
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Yeah, yeah, please introduce yourself here, yeah?
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Yeah, my name is Boris, so I'm found them facilitator for a pH mining join, us retreats and I started my journey was I was in 2014 when I first came to Peru and through those years we were.
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Kind of obsessed with the idea of using this traditional knowledge to show that there is a way to connect with plans and to feel through this connection. Find happiness, health, balance, harmony and well when I came back from Peru I didn't start retreats right away. I had a company in my home country but.
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OK.
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Eventually, you know we were just me and my partner, my business partner. We were so magnified by the miracles that this miraculous changes that I've Oscar was doing for people around us before, because a lot of people after we came back.
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Also came to Peru and the brother Sherman to our home country so we will always you always connected with the tradition and we were visiting proof for many times and 1st we started with ceremonies but West then we started to pass Shimanek masterplan dieting's with sacred plants with teacher plans.
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Ah.
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And we could just see how huge enormously huge this tradition is and how much knowledge these people this local.
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Killers have from thousands of generations before them and eventually we were thinking about opening the Retreat Place in Peru. But because of some things that was postponing postponing and one day we just saw that in Europe, some places started to pop up. You know, with your opinions, offering.
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OK.
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Boston.
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But to be honest, he always kind of shocked us in the beginning because the way they were hosting ceremonies this way was so far from the traditional ways of Peruvian and Nico. Door and shamans people are just drinking or Glasgow with lights on with music for speakers without Shermans without guides.
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Yeah.
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And for that, for us, it was kind of a disrespect to the medicine because we were grown up into the into this traditional way of solving ivaska. When a Sherman is has to pass a really long time.
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An educational process before being able to offer, I've asked to others his connection with the medicine cuts has to be perfect as to be pure, otherwise you can just not get any positive results out of the ceremony. So we were kind of confused and you saw that. Well, you know if you think that this is.
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Oh yeah.
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Not the best way. Maybe we can offer something else to show people that it's possible to use our task as a sacred medicine with a great respect with a lot of trust face accept.
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So that's how IPL began from the idea. From the idea that by using traditional knowledge and combine knowledge and combining it with modern understanding from Scientifical community, we can create something beautiful. Something that will help. Enormous amount of people.
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Oh man.
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I love it.
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And I I think that's what the biggest difference is. 'cause there are so many popping up and people will be like OK, what is your difference? And I asked them what?
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First, what are they looking for and what have they done? And then also, you know, do they want it to be more of like a really light vibe where they it's going to be like a light show? Because that's not who we are like. We definitely are still fun. We like activities and we sit around and talk. We have that, but when it comes to healing we take it very serious because it's.
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A very sophisticated medicine. We're dealing with your brain. We're dealing with your past and your future and.
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Your present, so we take that part. We start together, we finish together. You know we do those things and then everything else that follows along with kambo and integration. Will we require that from them? But they also require us to be on top of our game, so some people that are looking for like an ayawaska weekend.
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It's we're not the the people to cope for, and that's OK. So that's what sets us kind of. Apart from that, because yeah, there's something for everybody. And with this medicine you know it's a very delicate work buttom
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Is beautiful, so we just kind of go with the traditional route. We always have somebody that's close or from there and then obviously.
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With like modern amenities and you know you're like a really comfortable bed and like a chef and having everything else.
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Sure.
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I.
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So now the host retreats in Spain and Mexico, but also we have a very rustic and traditional and authentic place in Peru where people can go to pass. For example, the yet.
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Does that feature?
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Yeah.
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So the initial idea was to create a place in Europe, a very comfortable place where people might not be worried about their recommendation and the you know, the rainforest everything but preserve the traditional ways of Amazonian curanderismo, Amazonian healing tradition, and to work only this German school.
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Leaf and Amazon.
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Constantly, because for the chairman it's so important to be constantly connected, connected with plant spirits, entities with the rainforest itself. So that's why we bring chairmans only from the Amazon. They guide our ceremonies, but at the same time now we combinated with the work with Western psychotherapist and that's why we offer preparation and.
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Integration with therapists. When people can form right intentions, right mindset.
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And then integrate it afterwards. Because integration and preparation is the key, it's not only.
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Integrated after.
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Yeah, not.
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Paranoia, it's the most.
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Part yeah, we spoke about that last time.
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I love I love that you know this people trivialize these plant medicines and the the work associated with them. But it's absolutely akin to professional medicine that people are accustomed to. You know, mainstream medicine and having to have a prescription for the medicine and have to provide feedback and accounts of.
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You know how?
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So how you perceive the medicine and this is people need to treat this with the same level of respect that they provide for mainstream medicine. So you guys trying to stay in line with the authenticity of the way it's supposed to be governed? The right mindset. The right participants that legitimizes the work, and that, for me is is awesome. And I, really, I respect the fact that you guys.
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People.
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Take that approach.
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Thank you, it's.
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Thank you Wayne.
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Good, we really keep in touch with people after all, so we have certain cases or you know people with come.
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Mental difficulties or bipolar? There are some we don't treat because we're not capable, but we do keep in touch. We are keeping like a log so maybe one day when all of these people start to come together, we have that data and we can say look, you know we've worked with people with PTSD and over the course of five years they haven't had any relapse or a lot.
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With addiction we have a lot of people coming up.
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Of of addiction because our other integration therapist is a addiction specialist, will send us a lot of people like the day before they will use because you can. Up on I you can do that. So we've had a lot of great work with that. I think maybe one or two relapses, but like it's it is absolutely incredible.
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OK.
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How many people are able to just sever that bond?
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That's so cool and hopefully at some point society will get to the point worldwide where you just look at which.
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Therapy or which medicine is appropriate for somebody and not which one pads the pockets of big Pharma or something like that so that.
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This is from the Earth. Yeah, this is.
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Yeah.
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Earth like it's incredible and there are so many other things. But with Maya I mean for your life also it has been like painting and I love well when you get into it like when you.
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Absolutely.
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First, not taste this, but when you kind of get on this wave how everything starts to open up like you meet people on the same track and like you introduce it to other people and it's like you're not shy about it, you just open up. It's really a.
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This.
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Beautiful thing so.
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Yeah, not having secrets and being transparent is a freeing world to live in for sure.
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It's super key.
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That's true, yeah, I think that if I've asked teachers as one thing it would be balanced.
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The the field balance balance between our perception of reality and the reality around us, and I think the balance is also important between traditional approach, traditional knowledge and the scientifical discoveries because as Westerns we are now rediscovering, I've ask. I mean from the site of scientific communities here.
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Only 7% of all plants in the Amazon world categorize, cut, cut, cut, catalogued carefully.
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Wow, just 7%.
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That's why when you're there, you feel like there's a whole hospital like every.
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Disease hasn't cure there. When we were on the boat. I'm like, it's insane, yeah.
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That's insane.
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So that's why you know if you're going to run this made the traditional approach and knowledge from traditional sharmans, I think that we will miss and lose such an important, vital part of the whole process. But on the other hand, if you're not going to count on scientific research.
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Also, going to miss a lot, so I think that's all about balance and the future of ask I believe is not in pharmahuasca or only traditional Amazonian approach. It's about maintaining the balance and find their way between these two to aspects and.
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Then it will be the medicine for the whole world. I've got some need like more logical understanding of ask more pharmaceutical view on it and others need more like spiritual approach to go deeper. And the combination of those two factors I think will create just an amazing way for people to discover.
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Awesome.
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Thus, for example, our Chairman and they they know of him for many, many many years and he is all the same that I respect doctors.
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So much, I think, is that I respect their work and I also read research and I I'm interested in it. But doctors are mostly researching physical aspects of plants and media Sherman. I'm researching the spiritual aspect of plans, so the combination of these two factors is the key to results.
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M.
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So success.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, and it's it's tough because you can't. It's harder to quantify the spiritual aspect of healing. It's easy to quantify the physical and you know the things you can see under a microscope.
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Dope, so it's there's. It's hard to really garner the trust that those guys really have a a tough time. I'm sure really getting the trust of everybody but man, that is a I, I love it. That's that's so cool.
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You know, I, I think that it's not that difficult.
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No.
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Because for example, shamans would say I've asked brings happiness and well, that's true because scientists would say that I must. I've asked contains MAOI's and MRI's was the very first antidepressants that was introduced to the world.
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Millimeter.
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Millimeter.
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Oh, OK.
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Around 50 years ago so.
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Yeah, inhibiters.
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I'll ask about bring happiness.
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Because it works the percent of.
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Yeah.
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I just think it's the word when we start using the word spiritual. Even for me like I am spiritual. But before I ask in all of this when I would start using the word spiritual, I would think with like yogis and all of this, you know, happy with exactly what I am now. But that's what I would think of. So I think that's.
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Yeah.
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Where people are like Oh no, I'm agnostic, I'm atheist. That's I is also for you because spirituality is just like.
00:26:56
It's only worth.
00:26:58
Believing and you know yourself, and having that faith, which is what I love. So yeah, I think it's like branding is important and how we do it and all of this is a big part. But you know, for people thinking about drinking, there are certain things that they need to look at. You know, set and setting and what they've heard.
00:27:19
Problem in in those kind of things.
00:27:19
Of course.
00:27:21
So I think it's important not to be too much concentrated on specific words. You know, because shamans would tell you about spirits, and scientists would tell you about, uh, compounds in hourglass, comma in the end of the day, it's all the same, like shamans would tell you that I've asked, will liberate liberate. You will set you free.
00:27:33
Yeah.
00:27:42
And scientists would say that Vaska brings neuroplasticity, you know, but it's it's. It's all about the same thing.
00:27:49
Yeah.
00:27:49
So just different people in different approach.
00:27:52
And data the data is speaks for itself, right? If you like, you said, the more data you have surrounding that type of work, and that the concrete accounts of what happened. You can't refute that. So you know spirituality and things like that. They're they're a little bit broad and vague sometimes, and people misconstrue them with religion.
00:28:12
And you know that's certainly a different space. But yeah, the more data you have to substantiate the work it speaks for itself.
00:28:20
Yeah, and that's what we can do I guess.
00:28:20
So, and I think that you are doing a great a great walk. Yeah, it's such a great impact because you know I was is is not something that you can do occasionally on your Saturday day.
00:28:33
Right, right?
00:28:35
You need to educate people about and that's very important to know something about the tradition or something about a scientifical part. Know something about physical but spiritual part before partaking in the ceremony and when you are aware of what's going on with you. And then you can navigate your experience much better and get better results.
00:28:56
So that's why.
00:28:58
All the podcasts, all the research, everything that community is doing right now. It's it's so important because now I've ask is becoming more and more accessible. Most both element was always know in the human history and by it it comes with pros and cons, right? So? On one hand, we're going to have a huge amount of data.
00:29:06
Sure.
00:29:18
So.
00:29:18
Soon.
00:29:19
And so many people are going to be able to participate in ceremonies, but on the other hand, I can see so many ceremonies that have just conducted. Yeah, in a way that would be considered like a pure madness. In the Amazon, you know. So I think it brings a lot of challenges. But that's why it's so important to educate people.
00:29:26
It felt wrong, yeah?
00:29:26
It felt wrong.
00:29:39
It's all about education.
00:29:41
Yeah, and and you guys with the work that you do and the the diligence, the due diligence that you do. You guys are clearly going to rise to the top. You know people that they're just doing this stuff to make money. Like you said, having 50 people at A at a retreat that is just not manageable. You know those people are going to to wash away and you guys are going to rise.
00:30:01
Up with the way you handle your business.
00:30:03
Thank you, that's as I said, you know it's all about balance.
00:30:04
Yeah.
00:30:08
Of course it's about money. And of course it's about helping people. The problem is when you are breaking the balance and you are just leaning on one side. Without financial assets you can do your work and without good intentions you can help people. So if you are really offering evasco, you need to know a single true about the balance.
00:30:27
Sure, sure.
00:30:28
Cheaper.
00:30:29
And it's really like, you know you get one or two bad ceremonies.
00:30:34
That's it, you know. People speak. It's very, it's underground. But you know you have to do this so we have to make sure the group is right and we make sure the feeling is good. And then we still like the whole time. Keep it together. But I mean, if you're able to do this work or even like have a foot in it is so.
00:30:52
Fulfilling and like I love it. I know that we're about to be nonstop for eight days, 24 hours a day. But we're all like so excited and we start vibrating. Like once the shaman comes and he start making tea like.
00:31:05
We start to really get excited so it works.
00:31:07
I could see it in your face so I could see it in your face right now.
00:31:10
No, I mean I just I flew in one a day ago, so I have jet lag. But I'm like, Nope.
00:31:14
This goes really good.
00:31:16
Oh man.
00:31:16
And and put a break, you know, because of the kovit and everything. So now when we see the terrorism starts to open up a little bit and we have this opportunity to walk again.
00:31:26
Then it just makes us so happy. Yeah, that's all we need.
00:31:28
Yeah.
00:31:28
00:31:30
That's awesome, well Boris, it was so nice meeting you. And and both. You guys are so fascinating and I've learned so much in the two conversations we've had Amanda just for the listeners. It's APL journeys. Is the website.
00:31:44
It's a PM journeys.com. It's our website and also you can find us on Instagram. They're trying to create a real educational plot platform from our Instagram, so it's not about it's not only about pictures, but it's also about content.
00:32:00
Because you know the final things that I'm going to say. Yeah, for those never tried. I've asked and won't want to experience what it is. Don't don't go to the place where it's going to be only one ceremony, and on the next day you're gonna leave because it's all about communication, integration, learning, preparation. Choose a place where people will take.
00:32:20
Care of you not only during the ceremony, but they will help you to integrate the experience to understand what happened because so many different magical, sometimes confusing things can happen during the ceremony and when you are completely old by yourself after this experience, it may create only more confusion inside so.
00:32:39
So please guys if you if you think of doing the ceremonial train ayawaska take some time. Yeah, take some time, it's it's it's. It's not just one time thing that's the path that you are stepping in. It's a very serious decisions that can bring a lot of changes into your life. So take time.
00:32:46
Do your diligence, yeah.
00:32:46
Do your diligence.
00:32:59
So prepare take time for ceremonies, take time to integrate the experience and then results will be great.
00:33:05
Great advice, great advice. Well guys, enjoy your eight days, enjoy your time and I'll talk to you soon.
00:33:07
Ben
00:33:13
There's the sunrise things.
00:33:14
Alright guys bye bye.
00:33:16
They'll open for you alright, thanks.
00:33:18
More.
00:33:20
And now a segment where I chat with my sister Abby about random ******** She's a bit cynical, so I refer to her as Abby Neeser
00:33:26
He's my sister.
00:33:29
Or four of the same stuff.
00:33:31
I have to tell you about this experience with our contractor, so the basement was unfinished when we bought our home and so with the baby coming. We want to set up the spare room.
00:33:42
Woman make that the nursery in the baby room and kind of shift all that stuff downstairs. If somebody wants to come visit blah blah blah. So we hired a contractor to work on the project and they came a little bit cheaper than some of the competition which you know sometimes that's OK. In this case not OK so.
00:34:02
We got to go on with the project and.
00:34:06
The main guy hurt his hand and was like out of Commission for weeks and apparently nobody else can work in his company when his hand hurts. So we last time there the timeline that they set aside was completely off. They just basically threw it away and then I had to kind of like bribe them with pizza and other **** to to get them to work.
00:34:25
Search
00:34:26
And and hustle, and you know, really be nice. But the worst thing was this guy. This guy that I hired. I won't mention the company or anything 'cause I don't need to slander any.
00:34:36
Buddy, but the guy was working outside and he was painting some piece of wood and took his shirt off and it looked and he had he had on his side a tattoo that said white pride.
00:34:51
Yeah, Brody likes that too.
00:34:53
White pride right there on the side, and I think there's some guns underneath it, you know?
00:35:00
Oh, that's awesome.
00:35:00
Yeah, and he had learned some other like Sturgis Bike rally shirts and other things and I found it mildly offensive that he had a white pride tattoo. And yeah, mildly. So I said, hey man, first of all.
00:35:11
Mildly.
00:35:15
Put your shirt back on. 'cause, uh, I don't need to advertise that you're with me in any way. Second of all, I'm kind of sensitive about that stuff. My grandma is a Holocaust survivor and it just is completely inappropriate and I said I realized that some may deem white pride not as severe as ***** ***** but they're kind of synonymous with one another, so.
00:35:35
White nationalism is white nationalism and.
00:35:38
So he said, kind of said what the Fluck in his head and was like. OK put his shirt back on and for the rest of that time I just couldn't respect this dude knowing that he was somehow affiliated with Neo, Nazism.
00:35:50
I mean the lack of work ethic combined with the white pry. I mean, it's just not a respectable combination.
00:35:53
Sure.
00:35:57
No, no, and I could just picture him.
00:36:00
You know with bear spray and a a Trump flag in front of the Capitol.
00:36:06
So the end result is that is the basement finished, or is that stuff?
00:36:10
Oh yeah, so back to that right? So I spent about 25 grand 26 grand on the project with this contractor and they to be honest you know they did a good job with framing and you know the overall construct, but they basically left the drywall without any sort of mud or any any.
00:36:29
Sort of finishing. They would allow it to be.
00:36:31
Painted so I had to bring somebody else in and pay them about $4500 to do all the texturizing finish the drywall, paint and all that stuff so it's almost done.
00:36:41
So what kind of review does this guy get on Thumbtack or whatever it is?
00:36:45
That's a good question. Well, I decided not to review. Yeah, I did. I decided not to leave a review. What's that old old tale? If you don't have something nice to say, better not to say anything at all. I'm going to take that.
00:36:47
You watching the light side?
00:36:58
Right ergic, tattoo it on yourself.
00:37:00
Wait, I mean?
00:37:01
I prefer to have a, uh, murder free environment for my child, and I'm not sure that this guy would be super nice if somebody tried to slander his business online, even though it might be justified. And in this case, absolutely justified. I don't want to be the one I don't want to be the Hannibal Buress ousting Bill Cosby in this particular scenario.
00:37:20
That's true, so anybody who comes after you is gonna get the white pride guy. I mean, there's really nothing you can do to stop.
00:37:27
This at this.
00:37:27
Point, yeah, well, my neighbors that may have seen this gentleman. Nobody saw the white pride tattoo, so at no point did anybody just associate me with the Klu Klux Klan, which is good.
00:37:39
But it's just hard to look a guy straight in the face after you see that tattoo. And you would think, hey, just FYI, I'm going to take off my shirt and I might offend 99% of the population. You might want to just like put throw a little warning flag out there didn't happen just abruptly through that, right in the face.
00:37:56
Yeah, so no review in this case is, I think the best scenario for my well being and safety.
00:38:02
I mean, at this point you could just turn the basement into a panic room, just in case.
00:38:09
I didn't. I didn't say it was free of panic, 'cause dear God.
00:38:14
It is essential. It's figuratively a panic room at this point. So I we needed to talk because we had a real quick discussion, a casual discussion over text about Super Mario Brothers. We both are very passionate about Nintendo. From our childhood all the way through Turbo Graphics 16 and other.
00:38:34
Mutations of video game consoles, but Mario is pretty near and dear to our heart and you had some really deep thoughts on the Mario.
00:38:42
So Saga, if you will, and I wanted to kind of bring you on it and just discuss that with you to just get it off your chest.
00:38:48
There's some I mean, where do you begin? You know they've?
00:38:51
Take your time. Take your time.
00:38:51
Got these bugs.
00:38:53
Uhm, you know I did a lot of thinking about Mario and Luigi's dynamic.
00:38:58
But I mean I, I know you wanted to talk more about the mushrooms, so because this is a mushroom based podcast.
00:39:01
No no no.
00:39:03
Just consider it in the mushroom realm.
00:39:06
Alright, so let's start off with the UM, the whole Mario Brothers dynamic, because I was thinking one day I was playing Super Mario World.
00:39:15
And I just realized I'm like this game is called Super Mario Brothers, and there's a Mario and Luigi.
00:39:24
Where's Luigi in there? Like who came?
00:39:27
Up with this wasn't Mario.
00:39:29
Clearly it was a little bit of narcissism there.
00:39:33
And then I started thinking about like who is Mario? Is he? He's the type of Brother who's like? Yeah, Luigi could be the second player, but you don't often get to play because it's usually one player. Unless you have that second controller, Luigi doesn't even get to play.
00:39:48
It's not in the name.
00:39:49
Luigi clearly was unplanned and unplanned pregnancy.
00:39:54
His parents didn't even consider Luigi, I mean his. His clothes are basically Mario's hand me downs painted green.
00:40:01
I mean, I guess.
00:40:01
That's all he gets.
00:40:03
You know?
00:40:03
You know, I I, I don't want to get too deep here, but I felt a bit of a.
00:40:03
00:40:06
Kinship with Luigi, you know.
00:40:08
Oh, I see where you're going with this.
00:40:10
You know, I, I don't want to get ugly here, but you know, I think we both know what the dynamic was in our family. You were clearly the Mario.
00:40:20
First of all, you're welcome because it inspired this conversation.
00:40:27
Yeah, I mean, I think Luigi ultimately feels left behind. He they never really, he's never showcased. But you know, every Batman has his Robin and sometimes Robin is OK with that role. So I mean, do you know?
00:40:41
Luigi deep down, maybe he's OK being in the sidecar.
00:40:45
I feel like Luigi is coming to terms with it.
00:40:47
Well, I mean Luigi clearly has more therapy tomorrow. Mario has done a lot of soul searching in like celebrity retreats. But Luigi has done some deep deep dive therapy.
00:41:00
Me.
00:41:00
With local therapist.
00:41:00
Yeah.
00:41:02
Yeah, uhm, but you never want to go to one together. I mean, maybe we could talk about this form, but.
00:41:04
And what about Yoshi?
00:41:08
Well, let's let's, let's talk about Yoshi for a second. Now is Yoshi is he, is he a shared pet you know? Is he the family pet that? Does he have an affinity for Mario? Much like everybody else?
00:41:19
Well, he spends more time with Mario because Luigi hardly ever gets the.
00:41:25
So he doesn't even recognize Mario sometimes, yeah.
00:41:27
I think he like he'll hang out with Luigi when he has to.
00:41:31
But there are different colors of Yoshi and I really feel like I need to talk about that.
00:41:37
Are they driven by emotions at Yoshi's emotions at the emotions, Yoshi's Emotion?
00:41:44
Oh man.
00:41:46
I mean I, I don't know, this is just a personal opinion. Could be hotly contested, but I believe that the Blue Yoshi is the superior Yoshi.
00:41:56
OK, as opposed to what's the normal? Is it green?
00:41:59
There are a.
00:42:00
Couple of others that are just pointless. I mean the yellow one, it stomps down and then I guess it kills stuff when it stomps and then the red one breathes fire and then the green one is just your standard Yoshi, but the blue one.
00:42:13
Right, the default de facto Yoshi.
00:42:16
Yeah, I try to get the blue Yoshi.
00:42:18
As soon as as quickly as possible in Super Mario World.
00:42:21
OK, so it's it's like the pink starburst. If it was all pink starburst. If it was all blue Yoshi, we'd all be happy.
00:42:28
Basically, I mean anything he swallows, he can fly.
00:42:29
OK.
00:42:32
So I guess at this point the only real way to fix this would be to have a Luigi Luigi feature game, right? He has to feature in a game, and somehow a spinoff Mario Can like Co produce or something, but he cannot have the limelight in this particular feature film or game.
00:42:43
Astana.
00:42:50
Honestly, hasn't Mario done enough I mean.
00:42:55
Can't we just let Luigi have his moment?
00:42:58
2.
00:42:58
OK.
00:42:59
Duchaine
00:42:59
So back to back to the mushroom conversation. I have been doing a little bit of research because I was I was thinking I'm like how many mushrooms are there in the whole Super Mario franchise?
00:43:11
I'm only familiar with the aminatou mascara, the standard like Santa Claus mushroom.
00:43:18
Is that what it's called?
00:43:19
Yeah, the you like that. It's called the fly agaric amanita mascara and it's it's that red and white or red mushroom with the white circles on it.
00:43:19
That was like a fancy.
00:43:29
OK, so yes and that's.
00:43:30
What I was reading about and I'm I'm on a page on BuzzFeed right now that says that the mushrooms from the Mario Brothers games are based on a real mushroom, which must be left.
00:43:31
OK.
00:43:39
And my name is Sarah, yeah.
00:43:40
With psychedelic effects.
00:43:43
Not not the psychedelic effects I boast about, but supposedly I actually have some that I haven't boiled down and tried.
00:43:50
Well, it says.
00:43:51
The effects make it feel as though you are growing in size when you consume it.
00:43:55
Well, now I'm intrigued.
00:44:00
So they called out.
00:44:00
They called out.
00:44:00
So it's not a good rendition.
00:44:01
The Super mushroom in Mario and it's got red and white one, so it's based on a real.
00:44:04
OK.
00:44:08
Last year, I mean, I'll send you some flag. Eric, if you want to grow.
00:44:12
Well, I mean, I could use a little.
00:44:13
Height so it fits.
00:44:16
Well, since we'll send some to the Chocolate Factory for all the employees.
00:44:16
I'll take it.
00:44:22
Cool, well that's it's. I'm glad you were doing your research. By the way, I mean anybody that wants to talk Mario franchise. They need to have their **** together. You need to come prepared with facts, obviously.
00:44:25
It's important.
00:44:33
I think so. I mean, the other mushroom that we're familiar with is the other one up.
00:44:38
Green mushroom, I don't know if that is based on anything.
00:44:42
It it kind of it.
00:44:43
Resembles the red mushroom though right?
00:44:46
Right?
00:44:46
00:44:46
Right, so I mean it might just be Luigi. Like again, we need one more of these, so let's just get it.
00:44:53
In a different color.
00:44:55
Luigi.
00:44:56
Screen, it's not easy being green.
00:44:59
It is certainly not.
00:45:01
Oh, poor Luigi.
00:45:02
Well, the power is that.
00:45:04
It gives you an extra light, so is there a mushroom that makes you feel invincible?
00:45:09
Well, I think psilocybin to an extent.
00:45:12
That's that's one of the things it makes you feel like you've reborn with new ideas and new perspectives. So that is psilocybin, it's not as pretty. You're not going to find a psilocybin mushroom that's attractive in any way. They're very unattractive, but they do give you that kind of rebirth feeling one of these days I'll bring you over it.
00:45:27
2.
00:45:32
I'll get you get you to tribe.
00:45:34
Sweet, maybe it would help me get in touch with my inner Luigi. Maybe break through some of that stuff.
00:45:40
You never know what's going to come out.
00:45:42
Well, Ava, I really.
00:45:43
Appreciate seeing your face and this has been super fun.
00:45:46
Thank you awesome.
00:45:47
I love it.
00:45:48
Well, it's good to see you and.
00:45:49
Yeah.
00:45:51
Good luck with the rest of the.
00:45:52
Basement I'll see ya.
00:45:52
I love you alright bye.
00:45:55
And now it's time for some education as my lovely wife Jill joins us to talk about mushrooms and health.
00:45:55
Second, very wise woman.
00:46:01
You want my wisdom.
00:46:04
2nd.
00:46:04
00:46:06
What is up bouette back in the MUstaSH ROOM?
00:46:09
You know what's up is these feet in my ribs.
00:46:13
Oh yeah, what's up is down in terms of the baby's orientation in your belly.
00:46:17
Oh yeah, she's oh that's.
00:46:19
Look at this look at this.
00:46:20
Look at this kick right here.
00:46:23
But for the listening.
00:46:23
They can't, they can't see it.
00:46:24
Yeah, the listening audience. It was beautiful. It was glorious.
00:46:26
Yeah, she's 35 weeks today.
00:46:29
Man, it's getting so close, so so close.
00:46:31
Close my body is aching.
00:46:35
And we have been continuing the theme of singing songs to try to keep her her mood up and transition well to the real world. And we've come up with another song to not celebrate, but describe our cat Mook and the title of this song.
00:46:54
Now let me leave it.
00:46:54
Or this verse we should say.
00:46:56
I should say this first you had all rolled up into the same theme, but we should give you a little background.
00:47:00
So our cat. I'm sure if you have a cat I don't know the percentage. We haven't done our homework. I don't know the the studies, but cats have an affinity for eating plastic. I know a lot of cats do and it's because they.
00:47:12
Yeah, there is something with like animal fat or being found in it.
00:47:15
Yeah, they they use animal fat in the making of certain plastics, so it's appealing. It's a it's a delicacy for our cat at least, and when he eats the plastic it could be tape off of a packaging.
00:47:27
She loves tape.
00:47:29
It could be.
00:47:29
Just a plastic bag container, zip lock, any of that. Anything that resolves to plastic.
00:47:35
He's all over it, but when he eats it, the prob.
00:47:37
Thing is, he then throws up and.
00:47:39
It's not like that. Plastic eating mushroom.
00:47:42
No, it's not helping anybody or the environment, especially it's hurting our abode. And so yeah, he eats it. He throws up and then you just have to find it. And hopefully it's in an area that you can discover it before you step on it or something of that nature.
00:47:56
Or before Brody eats it.
00:47:57
Or before Brodie eats lots of bad things can happen. Stumbling upon it without physically coming in contact. That's the best case scenario.
00:48:05
Yeah, and you know what? It's it's always a crapshoot.
00:48:07
It's amazing.
00:48:07
Amazing.
00:48:09
But because it? It looks like diarrhea we.
00:48:12
Don't have to go. Let's not get it.
00:48:13
It's like Brown, but then it has a piece of plastic floating in the middle so we know it's vomit point.
00:48:19
That's a good point.
00:48:19
That's a good.
00:48:19
Yeah, regardless of its consistency, there's always there's always a piece of plastic. There's evidence right there, so he's not even trying to hide it. This forensics very easy. So the title of this one is called Don't Eat that move.
00:48:32
Why are you eating plastic? Don't eat that mook. You're about to get your *** kicked. Don't eat that mook. Wow.
00:48:46
You always eat plastic move.
00:48:48
Look, you know they always match up. You guys who cleans it up, not you.
00:48:55
Don't, either mook.
00:48:58
Or your people.
00:48:59
Oh help you.
00:49:01
So that's donate that move. Thank you, thank you and there will be more to come. I can always hit the falsetto but we'll try.
00:49:01
BB.
00:49:04
Decker likes it.
00:49:09
You can hit that falsetto.
00:49:09
Mercantile
00:49:12
Sir.
00:49:13
So what are we talking about today?
00:49:16
So we've hit up a lot of different mushrooms, so I wanted to kind of bridge things together in the cooking realm and talk about some seasoning, some all purpose seasoning that can be used from dried mushrooms, and in particular, porcini mushrooms.
00:49:22
OK.
00:49:33
Entirely made of mushrooms.
00:49:35
It's not entirely, but it is going to be the flavor component of the seasoning, so I am borrowing this recipe from Nom nom Paleo, so no MN om Paleo.
00:49:41
Wow.
00:49:48
Yo she's on Instagram. She has recipes. She's a paleo chef. She's got a family and.
00:49:56
So this is a legit source, OK?
00:49:58
Yeah, her name is Michelle Tam. It's something that I've made. I'm still learning how to cook with it because it's very savory, so it doesn't go with like your Italian cooking or your Mexican cooking. But if you're going to like roast stuff and you want that rich, savory, umami flavor, this is, ooh, I like that I do.
00:50:12
Low.
00:50:15
Movies.
00:50:17
You like that, yeah?
00:50:17
You yeah.
00:50:18
Like that this is a great seasoning and you can make it at home. You can make a ton of it. You can package it, you can give it as gifts. It's a dry seat.
00:50:27
Seasoning, so it consists of dried porcini mushrooms, kosher salt, red pepper flakes, dried thyme, and some black pepper so you can look up the ratios online. Again nom nom, Paleo, and she titles this mushroom or magic mushroom powder, but don't be confused.
00:50:47
There's no, the only magic is on your taste buds. There is no magic in the in your mind, uhm?
00:50:53
OK.
00:50:54
But yeah, so you can Google Magic mushroom powder. Find the recipe and essentially it uses as a one to one ratio as salt or other seasonings when you're cooking. Great things to pair it with, or eggs, meat, veggies, chicken wings like a dry rub. Chicken wing would be amazing with this.
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Oh yeah, now you're speaking my language.
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So we actually need to do that. We even made once in a.
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While I like it a lot, we'll provide feedback.
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I like it.
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Like
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Yeah, so porcini mushrooms? I don't know that we've talked about Porcinis.
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Not sure we've done quite a few. It doesn't sound familiar, so let's roll with it.
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Yeah, so just.
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Off, you know, off the cuff, good source of B vitamins. They do have protein minerals such as copper, potassium, zinc and selenium rich and dietary fiber and low. And of course in saturated and unsaturated fat.
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Uhm, so again, just another well rounded mushroom that has a lot of benefits.
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And flavor, apparently.
00:51:51
Flavor apparently.
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And in flavor. So that was kind of my next transition is to going into the umami flavor, which is something that I don't think you know much about until we, you know, started this podcast.
00:52:04
Zero, I know zero about, so please educate me.
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Yeah, so we have receptors on our tongues taste buds and they detect five different types of taste. So if you want to go ahead and take a stab.
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OK.
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OK, sweet sweet is the obvious sweet and I would think salty.
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Sweet.
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Salty.
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Uhm?
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Alright, I need some help up.
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Bitter.
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Bitter is 1.
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OK, bitter.
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Uhm?
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There's two more and sour OK, Sour, and then the last one which was discovered if you will and implement it as of the 5th taste is umami.
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Sour.
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OK.
00:52:46
So umami is often described as a meaty, savory flavor, so when you have like a beef Stew or you have some roasted mushrooms, parmesan cheese, steak, anchovies, I know it's not your favorite seaweed roasted tomatoes. You get this umami flavor.
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Here shot.
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Which essentially it gives you a mouth fullness. It's long lasting flavor, a balanced taste, and it usually causes you to salivate.
00:53:16
Wait, wait, so you tell me.
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Me that Omani is right there in the same category.
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It's one of the fifth designated taste.
00:53:23
Wow, that I.
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The slavery was never like a designation, so umami kind of takes over that savory aspect.
00:53:30
Goodness, and you just don't hear enough about umami.
00:53:34
Yep, so it's, Umm am I Japanese origin?
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I like that.
00:53:37
Like that?
00:53:39
Implemented as the 5th Taste Bud in 2006, but it was first discovered in early Japan in the early 1900s, and it comes from the they've discovered that it comes from the amino acid glutamate, which if you've heard of MSG before, mono sodium glutamate.
00:53:56
Oh yeah.
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The MSG basically when Chinese add the MSG powder. If you will. Well, traditionally it's that's what it's associated with. Essentially it is just it's like a sodium bomb. If you will sodium like a sodium flavor bomb.
00:54:04
Wait, when people make Chinese food.
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OK, gotcha.
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Interesting.
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Uhm so.
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Sodium flavor, so you can get a high amount of salt out of a small amount of MSG.
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Well, salt equals flavor and then you know that you like to salt your food. If it has no flavor, you add salt. It immediately has flavor and then the glutamate is the umami amino acid. That is what you taste is the glutamate. So when you have salt on savory, it's just going to be like a flavor bomb, so.
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Right?
00:54:28
Yeah my God.
00:54:43
Very cool.
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When you eat, for instance Chinese takeout, which has been known to have MSG sprinkled on it. That's why the flavor is so rich it's mouthwatering.
00:54:50
Sure.
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Thank you salivate. You want more? It's a little salty so that's that umami flavor that's packed throughout.
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Interesting, so if you're not allergic to it, then the MSG provides deliciousness like like cashews and peanuts. For those of us that aren't allergic, delicious.
00:55:05
Yes and very.
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Yeah, and and I want to say the the allergy to MSG is very very like mild.
00:55:14
So cool, well, I learned a lot about you Mommy. I had no idea and now I'll be able to spot that. A on jeopardy, which I hope it pops up so I can act smart and be just in a culinary sense. Just be more educated.
00:55:28
Yeah, I'm brought to you by you Mommy.
00:55:31
Mommy knowledge by you Mommy AKA Bouette, AKA wifey.
00:55:36
So that was awesome. Thank you so much for being here and I can't wait until we meet again. I'll see you in a few in a.
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Different room bye.
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Bye