Episode 17 - Healing Through Ayahuasca & The Death-Cap Mushroom
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Welcome back to the MUstaSH ROOM.
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I'm your host David Ben.
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This is probably my favorite podcast episode to date.
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We have a conversation with Amanda.
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She's a certified psychedelic counselor integrationist and recovery coach.
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She's a war veteran and has basically dedicated her life to traveling around the world and using plant based medicine.
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To help others find.
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Belief and improve their overall being a fascinating woman fascinating conversation.
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We also get a visit from Wifey Gill, who educates us on the most poisonous mushroom deadliest mushroom known to man the death cap mushroom and we debuted the newest song about our questionably behaved cat puffy tail.
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MC just a reminder that we are sponsored by MUstaSH brands.
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MUstaSHbrands.com at MUstaSH brands great company check him out online and check us out online at MUstaSH ROOM also MUstaSHroom.com enjoy this episode. Thank you so much for being here, Amanda again. Thank you so much for for being a guest on the MUstaSH ROOM. I really appreciate it.
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You're welcome, thank you for having me.
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Of course, so I was, I was looking at some of the projects that you're working on and I'm super impressed by the work that you do first you talked about Chris Chris Young and the Church of Mother Earth and Orla.
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Yeah.
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Window and that was my first experience with Iowa.
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Uh.
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My only experience with Ayawaska and it was super amazing and transformative.
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How did you?
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How did you link up with curls like?
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How are you familiar with his his work?
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I really loved the legal side of what he set up so because I've been trying to do that.
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In the States and I want to set up a shot like that, a little bit higher end and more for like dieta, so people can come and experience.
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What uh dieta is and then also have ceremonies you know twice a week.
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Now Dietter that's a That's a term I'm not familiar with.
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Dieta is the next step.
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After I when you start to really practice.
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You go into the jungle.
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I've done one in Peru with Gray shaman and you go into a Hut normally that doesn't have walls or just very thin walls and you drink a medicine.
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OK.
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That's specific to your ailment so if it's depression.
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Or sometimes women problems cancer.
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There's something for everything.
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It's summer psychotropic and some are not so the one that I did is ucho sinangag.
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OK, OK.
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It's a very strong one.
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So you do drink.
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It you drink it in the morning.
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You have no contact with anybody, not even the shaman.
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For 2 weeks up to a month and you bathe in the River and then there will be ceremonies throughout as well.
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So you will go down to the Maloca and then have a ceremony and go back but you are by yourself and so this is for your body to cleanse mentally.
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It's incredible.
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It's one of the scariest things.
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I've ever done, but for some people you need this push and especially if like addiction is a reoccuring all the time or like they can't get out of a lot with depression, major depression so.
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Wow, wow.
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Maestro 's that that are really shamans they do these for years, so that's what you're looking for when you really want to have a good shaman.
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You have Iowa Skaros, like Chris Yeah, that can do that.
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OK.
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And then the ones he brings in but really the shamans that I work with go into the jungle for for their whole life.
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So they might live a life, not going in to the jungle deep, but then they'll decide they'll be like no.
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I need to go and they'll drink a plant and go in and they go into just the tent in the middle of the jungle and we've actually had a shaman a couple months ago.
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Wow.
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We planned a retreat and you know with covid it's very difficult.
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Yeah, and we said, OK, your plane ticket is this you have to be very direct with them.
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And he wrote us back and he's like no no tell the people to wait.
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I need to go on a?
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Diet to like no you.
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Can't do that, we like finally have enough people that can make it, you are not allowed to go.
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We have a schedule.
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He's scheduled to them, he's.
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Like no just push it back like I'll get back when I get.
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Back so it's wild but.
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Uh.
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It was one of the most scariest moments of my life and I've been to war like if this for me was just insane.
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So I want to do that on a little softer scale in Florida.
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Yeah, I offered them year round so if somebody comes with a reoccurring illness. Or they just need to, like unplugged from their phone. I will have small huts built and you can do that there and the plants grow. Some you can grow in the US so some you're able to grow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I remember Chris explained that the the.
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The medicine the Alaskan Medicine, the roots.
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It took 7 years to cultivate and so he had the space and was doing.
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The farming and I thought that was really impressive and one of the things that I I really.
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It is.
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I I took away from my experience with Chris is just the nurturing component that he added to the experience and just send it like.
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Everything is really well thought out and so the safety element.
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You know the the setting was just so easy to establish for him.
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That's good, yeah, I think he does what he he does love what he does and when you meet him. When I I had emailed with him and then I met him at the World IA Conference and it was very typical IA moment 'cause. We had just come from a retreat. I'm standing there in like the garden. It was the greeting center and first. I thought that world higher conference.
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Umm.
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Would be a bunch of hippies?
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I was like I'm gonna walk into like this hippie place.
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But you learn? Yeah.
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But you learn.
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Yeah, that's what I thought but it is was full of doctors and lawyers for the ayawaska defense fund there were like.
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Big professors, they're giving speeches they had 4 halls every day that I just had something different for the spiritual side to the legal side to what's going on, you know from the medical side and proof and I was standing at the bar.
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And this guy came up.
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And I was like.
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Are you Chris it was the first person?
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I ran into and then he he and one other guy?
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I wanted to meet and he's like.
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Yeah, I said, You're the only person I came here for honestly.
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I was like I just want to sit down and talk with you to see how you do things and the next day.
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He pulled me aside and we had like a really in depth chat about how he got.
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Started his belief system and he shared some really good tips for me to start uh pretreat.
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He didn't feel like I was coming in 'cause.
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He knows that I'm majority work in Spain, Portugal and Mexico.
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OK.
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So we have legal entities set up there.
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But we shared a lot of the things with like trust.
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And the medicine and someone you're doing, it with because you can have like very worried episodes when you're in a ceremony and be like who am I with here.
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Sure.
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It is weird well, respecting the medicine and where it came from because we want to give back and also just be thankful for this and then surrender.
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Came to the process so once you decide to work in this field or walk with enia you really have to just surrender to it.
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You cannot try to steer it along it will push back twice as hard so this is yeah.
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This is something that it's only after you drink sometimes when I say that to people.
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I'm like the men and I decided that this was the work.
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This was it for me like with veterans and going into the mental.
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Right.
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It flowed and it continuously flowed even with Covid where we haven't been able to have as many retreats.
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I was picking up clients that just needed help to get through this period.
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It's it's beautiful, but you want you have to you decide that it's really amazing.
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Yeah, that's awesome man just the way you talk.
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It's just I.
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I just love.
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The compassion and just the nurturing element around the type of work that you do and I'm really impressed that you found that space and that you've really embraced it to that level.
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I do want to talk, the dieta I guess I.
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I don't fully understand and I find that fascinating is it a particular suite of medicines that you choose from.
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To to kind of tailor the dieta to like the needs of the consumer.
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You study them, but mostly at the shaman will pick it the treatment.
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OK.
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So you'll have a ceremony with your shaman.
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You'll tell him what your issues are and for mine I was having a?
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Some issues with breast cancer and also just kind of getting out of this like not feeling sorry for myself.
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Wow.
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But like a funk.
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I wasn't worried about dying.
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It was just like OK.
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This happens again like it's a reoccurring thing and so we were at a ceremony in the next day, he said.
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Amanda you're going to drink guecho.
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I'm like OK and my partners went with me and.
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Or like
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That is extremely strong like we haven't even drank that and I go OK, then why is this happening like I want to make sure these shadows are human too.
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Yeah.
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They're also people it's sometimes they get a little mystical and think that and we went.
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They went with me to prove as like.
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My 2 guardians, which I think for a woman is Great 'cause.
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There are a lot of things.
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Happened around I always sexual assault and you have to be careful.
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Sure.
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You just it is.
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You're vulnerable.
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It is part of tendering and trusting and if you don't trust where you are then you're not going to have a great experience.
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So we all went and did a different data and yeah, so there are plants that you have no.
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So psychotropic effect you will just feel warm and cuddly and that part of the journey is like you focusing because you have no cell phone.
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You can write you can't really read anything like any altering books.
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There are some spiritual books.
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They allow you to read you have to stay out of the sunlight, you only go to bathe in the River and go to the bathroom.
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OK.
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Down there when the shaman comes in you get one meal a day.
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It's a special fish that comes from the Amazon and it probably contains I'm not lying 2000 bones.
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So you half of your brain is.
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You have to eat around that.
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Like trying to get.
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This and sometimes you think you're like, I'm on like some quest to be like a ninja because like?
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Sitting there with your hands you get one plant pain by the end, you're not even hungry so I'm pretty much like screw up.
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Just more labor than anything else.
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Yeah, exactly but it it's all like mental work.
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So you sit there and then if you.
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He checks on you, every day.
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But if you have a dream that you need to talk about 'cause that comes out.
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When you start daydreaming which can be really scary if you never done this like vivid daydreams.
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Wow.
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There's a documentary called the last shaman that did an excellent job on a dieta and he was a young kid and you actually can see some really famous shamans in there, but he went to a village.
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OK.
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It was there, I think 3 months or so just kept saying and he video.
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So.
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Take the whole thing so you saw his beard grow.
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You saw him like freaking out and he explains.
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How one vision a guy ripped out his heart and wanted to give him a new one and people have it like you know at night.
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I don't like to give so much away 'cause.
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It was an experience but at night.
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I I had little electric candles.
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On my 2 doors.
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It just to make me feel better.
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I don't know, and I was laying there, one night.
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In the door.
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Open.
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And then closed can I hear it?
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And that your room is completely.
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You can't see and you have a mosquito net so you can't get out.
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OK.
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So it's very like a creepy moving time frame.
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You're deep in the jungle kind of thing.
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You're thinking.
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The Jungle Yeah.
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Nobody was behind me.
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My 2 partners were way in front and the jungle.
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I couldn't see them.
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And so I'm sitting there and I remember my chairman.
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Also in a ceremony.
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It's not ignoring and pushing it aside.
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It's just not giving it attention like these bots these bad things, the sound.
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Everything is amplified in the jungle so like it could be a bird or somebody walked in, but it it walked right to the edge of my bed.
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And just sat there.
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I was frozen, the whole night.
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I mean, I I still travel with like a big knife from the military like parachute leg and I was holding that and I'm just sitting there and the next morning when I told the shaman.
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He's like he came to play with you.
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You have to think they're like children.
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Wow.
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You know they want to be like?
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What are you doing here what?
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Is she serious about this diet because some of the spirits?
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Are like grandfather types very strict grandfather and you can know by the name of the plant in summer like mother, Ayawaska and summer children that are mischievous, so they kind of want to poke and play at you they're not going to injure you but it's still there.
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Yeah, that's
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So Yeah Dieta, we, we tell people and we will offer once a year to go with them to kind of manage it.
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But they can go anytime because we always have one shaman in Peru, but it is an excellent thing to reconnect with yourself to find like a new purpose or if you had a I ceremony and you feel like.
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OK.
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There's something else like there's just a little bit more.
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If someone finds the time, like the minimum is 5 days and that's normally what I tell people to start with it.
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Minimum wow.
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Yeah, and then you go for 2 or 3 weeks.
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But 5 days is enough to get this whole experience and to understand and then yeah, yeah, it's a big in your flying to prove.
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That's a commitment for sure.
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It's it's exotic but not the exotic that you think it is like they're still crocodiles and Dolphins and snakes and you're living in a Hut.
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Wow.
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You're living in like a Hut, but I love that.
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And then with micro dosing I think it's really good where you don't microdose with the.
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Yeah, the DMT element just to be combined so that's something that I do regularly wow.
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Sure.
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And I wanted to so first of all establishing establishing a comfortable safe setting when there's crocodiles and other Amazonian creatures.
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It's really excellent.
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I mean that's that's going to be a challenge in itself.
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Yeah.
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It's funny because when you when you address that with the shaman and the things are built on stilts but we still jumped in the River where there are crocodiles and in the shop would jump in before us and he'd be like it's fine.
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It's pretty bold.
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It's fine and I would take a breath I'd be like OK.
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I came this far.
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I guess if something happens, like it's a great story for me.
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Right right somebody else can tell about you.
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Yeah, but they say.
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Yeah, but they say to you and it comes into your mind.
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They'll be like the medicine protects you and if we believe in this medicine and we really believe it all.
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Yeah.
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Well, that that's kind of true like you know it's protecting me within that space.
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This is where the medicine has come from this is where all of that is so if you're doing, it with this trust respect and surrender you know that's and I don't know anybody personally that has been injured from anything.
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Yeah.
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I do know that somebody there are very strict diet.
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Requirements like not interacting and not eating different food and I know somebody that, like left his diet and went into the town.
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Sure.
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He was eating like fried chicken, and did all this stuff and he altered his brain permanently.
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He now thinks that people are following him he sees shadows.
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And so that's why I tell people how important it is with this diet at and and really making sure you're checking in with your brain but he has complete paranoia.
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He thought that the jungle was listening to him with birds and that it was going back to the consulate and and it flow like that.
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Wow, so it it's not not like normal entheogens.
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I mean, it actually resonated.
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Wow, yeah, and
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That's dangerous.
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It when you're out there for a month and you're doing that and then you start to get you know a little paranoid or schizophrenic 'cause.
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It can break that down.
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You can get to such a deep place, but trusting it and drinking this and and eating the right thing.
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It pulls you back out.
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It's like rock bottom you're hitting rock bottom sometimes it.
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Not every time for that, but he really was like.
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Like also you know, so he was eating and he had sex with a couple local people, which is no no on a diet you can really kill yourself.
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Yeah, I remember no human contact during the Alaska ceremony.
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Artist weekend and that for the reasons with the eye is a little bit different.
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But with a dieta because you're you're just ingesting a medicine and a small amount of food your heart is working very hard to like keep blood fresh and your body and your mind able to think and work so if you go and then do a high impact or high energetic.
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Experience this can really make it bad so through his interaction with others and like eating those greasy food.
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Good he started to become and he knew he wasn't doing something right.
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Paranoid I don't know if schizophrenic is acceptable term, but he started to become paranoid and then I guess when he got home.
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He told our friends that if he's in a room with a woman.
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There are like 2 shadows just standing there and yeah.
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Uhm.
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I I have been like scared for my I've had situations where you know, there's I might be scared to go in a room.
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Yeah.
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For some reason and I I just listen to that and I go away.
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Yeah, it.
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It's a very serious thing, so we when somebody is going on a diet with us.
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We talk with them and prepare them because it's dumb.
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It's not like and there's no way to get out of it.
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There's no wiggle room.
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There's no like Hilton that's right down 'cause you had.
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A goal.
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You know you're signing his island and then you're on a 4 and a half hour boat ride inland to the Amazon.
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Sparkle up.
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Yeah, so you were it's not like you decide you have to arrange like the bike ride back to the boat, the boat going over there.
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Man.
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I I really thought it was cool that you personified the different medicines.
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Like one guy was a grandfather and is that is that pretty customary like with the whole diet kind of methodology OK.
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So parents also mine was like a like an uncle.
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But a serious uncle, so he challenged me a lot on why I was there like what I wanted to achieve.
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And he was the strong presence.
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I would see him and there's another one that.
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It's like a mother that's holding you and I remember I saw my partner.
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He did this and when I would like see him out of the corner might 'cause you have to.
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Have a hat on that.
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Look he just felt incredible.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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He told me so I'm over here, like sweating and shaking and having like these dreams.
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I don't want to deal with, but that's my personality that I need that heart healing.
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Yeah, and Sasha is like I felt so love like I was with my mother and she was holding me so I was like I want that next time exactly what I want and then I did one more which is like a protection.
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It's a short one, it was a very short one and.
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I believe it was 2 chassis and it was like for me.
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Somebody was playing with us.
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I asked to sleep in the cabin with my partner just for 2 nights to feel 'cause.
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I was getting really amped up after my last diet really startled me so we slept like in the anterior room.
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OK.
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That we had a ceremony and then we walked back and that night.
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Somebody was running around our Hut.
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We both heard it.
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I even was trying to put my earplugs in saying our names like tap tap tap tap tap tap and my partner got up and walked out and looked around, and he's very cool.
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He's done this.
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He's done some for months and he's helping.
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OK.
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You know, we, we only Could write to each other.
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He's like that's the medicine.
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Wow.
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He picked Take Me Out of here.
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So the same experience for both of you.
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Yeah, we've had it's hard.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, the jungle is like for me the most spiritual place.
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So when you have a ceremony there.
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It's much different.
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It's not any better it's just like you're.
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It's like watching.
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A home game somewhere in their home state home feeling you know everything is alive and you do have the element of like being careful when you walk out of your Hut.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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And you you go to these toilets, but.
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It.
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It's just really alive, you know.
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Do you do?
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Do do.
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You speak Spanish, Portuguese, like to communicate with the Shamans.
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Like with Spanish, I can, but we are lucky.
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Very lucky that on two of our Shaman speak English one.
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Ah.
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It was a naturalist and I love that because and he loves to talk to people.
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So for me and there's sometimes some views that they will say and when I go he goes down a track.
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I'm like, OK, we're not going to share that.
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That idea 'cause it?
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Oh.
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Especially when your mind before I yeah, I don't want to put too much stuff in too many things, but we have a whole lesson on our retreats about the.
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Mysticism and some cool little stories about about the jungle that are really interesting.
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And all the stories Avaya even as they come from Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia.
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You know Brazil.
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They're all based with the same like two people, so it's interesting and 'cause who would come up with?
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Us to drink this like.
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Yeah, genius tribesmen.
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Right.
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Also with kambo like the venom of this frog and that came that came from hunting so I'm always like I I always wonder about this the origin but I have now listened to enough stories where I realized that they're all something is based in truth around this man and woman like they were healers and when they died.
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They were buried together and one was the tree and the other one was divine.
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So it's I loved it.
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So there's lineages.
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Yeah, it's very cool because I don't see people from thousands of years ago walking through it being like that and that put that into teeth and go rock over.
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Sure.
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Some amazing accident that happened along the way.
00:21:25
You know it's a yeah, but the jungle is magical.
00:21:29
It's a our summer refers to it as the world biggest hospital and it is like when you when you go through there on a boat tour.
00:21:36
Because I did a couple tours.
00:21:38
I just looked there and I was like there are so many undiscovered medicines and like treatments that we don't have to even synthesize into a medicine.
00:21:46
Here like you know, and there aren't doctors there.
00:21:48
You'll see them working, but they funding goes down, you know.
00:21:52
But Amazon is just.
00:21:54
It's it's incredible what they're able to treat, and so now with this coronavirus, it's very hard because I know our shamans are trying to find something and they don't respect the government much because they've been screwed over.
00:22:03
Yeah.
00:22:08
Like these very indigenous tribes so they won't even take a shot at all.
00:22:12
We're trying to talk to them.
00:22:14
Like this is good, but I respect their their point of view.
00:22:17
So I think you know in these countries it may never go away like they're also saying in India with covid I think.
00:22:25
This is this is going to be something that we have to learn to kind of live with and.
00:22:28
Adjust to
00:22:29
Yeah, now there's always going to be those barriers.
00:22:31
You know different demographics that have had bad experiences along the way and governments and mistrust.
00:22:38
Yeah, good luck with that and it's cool that you're trying and trying to educate.
00:22:42
I did want to ask you.
00:22:43
Yeah.
00:22:44
You keep you mentioned military experience and wielding a knife?
00:22:47
What branch of service are you in.
00:22:49
Uh, I was in the Air Force.
00:22:51
All right, I was, I was army at a high school.
00:22:54
Ah, thank you for your service.
00:22:55
Also, I went to the Air National Guard right out of high school and my dad was a helicopter pilot so I knew.
00:23:00
Awesome.
00:23:01
But he said to me, you're you're only allowed to join the Air Force.
00:23:04
He goes, you know, I watch how they live and he's arming through and through and loves it.
00:23:09
Yeah.
00:23:09
He's like you will be Air Force and I was glad that he kind of jockeyed that.
00:23:15
But yeah, I did while I was in University, I went and I did a tour in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:23:20
Wow.
00:23:21
So they were almost.
00:23:22
Thank you for your service.
00:23:25
Oh, so you said.
00:23:25
I thought.
00:23:25
You said trauma I said.
00:23:27
Yeah.
00:23:27
Thank you for your service that's that's 2 tours, my goodness.
00:23:31
No, it was a lot.
00:23:32
It was.
00:23:33
There were definitely some some things that I didn't even deal with.
00:23:36
'cause I was, you know, in that position like you're just like that doesn't matter like we're here for a purpose.
00:23:42
And I really believed in a purpose at that time.
00:23:44
So I was just going.
00:23:46
But when I got back I still it was delayed reaction.
00:23:50
So it was only like my late 20s.
00:23:51
Did I start to understand that they were like it was creating difficulty in relationship and like my point of view, I was living in incredible life.
00:24:00
Yeah, I was started to meditate and then I went on I.
00:24:04
Yeah.
00:24:05
And then it just blew.
00:24:07
The top open and I didn't research it at all, so I'm one of these opposite people that I was like oh, somebody talked about this spiritualty made for that.
00:24:15
All in.
00:24:16
Yeah, they said oh it's not for everybody.
00:24:19
I had never tried any narcotic at that time because after I made it through the military, I was like why am I going to start?
00:24:25
I don't know like I drink wine, but so I went into the retreat and I'm asking people, oh like what have you done and everybody like LSD and acid and MDMA?
00:24:34
And I'm I'm thinking like I am not prepared for this like I don't like it.
00:24:37
Yeah, Super.
00:24:39
Intimidating.
00:24:40
And after the first night I looked at the Sky and I was like.
00:24:44
Yeah.
00:24:44
He's what is it?
00:24:45
What is it compared to and he's like never try anything again.
00:24:48
He's like, don't try anything.
00:24:50
This is it for you.
00:24:51
He's like there's no reason to do it.
00:24:53
Wow.
00:24:54
But it was.
00:24:55
It was beautiful for me.
00:24:56
And then I I dealt with things that I didn't even know.
00:24:59
As you understand, like things come up that we had suppressed, or that we thought we were OK with, or something in our subconscious that.
00:25:09
Needed to be addressed and that.
00:25:10
Yeah.
00:25:11
So, your your purge was probably pretty significant right if you hadn't really done anything up to that point.
00:25:17
Here's the crazy thing about my purging, and it's like a joke among.
00:25:23
Everybody we work with.
00:25:24
Yeah.
00:25:25
I have never purged wow Congrats.
00:25:28
Tried and it's not great when I'm telling people about purging and they're looking at me, but I even I've had Shaman seen special purge valve purge T and they had a different.
00:25:37
You gotta be kidding me there's a bird song.
00:25:40
There's a purge saw and as purged T and I have like sat and tried.
00:25:41
Yeah.
00:25:45
I've done this and.
00:25:46
I will purge out the end after the ceremony you know, or I sweat a lot, which I don't love to sweat, but I have never done it.
00:25:49
Right.
00:25:54
And even with Kambo, it's never how I pass out.
00:25:57
I don't.
00:25:58
I don't purge and I've had so many people like oh we'll make this so I last retreat.
00:26:02
Our shaman is really a master of all plants.
00:26:06
It's like a.
00:26:07
Pharmacist, so we do a special thing with after ceremony we go have them drink this tea.
00:26:13
You drink five goals of it and it's, uh, urging tea.
00:26:17
And so some people are still in Iowa and it's so beautiful like you're out on the lawn and you just hear what when the stars and you'll see somebody talking like smiling.
00:26:26
And then they just.
00:26:27
Go over and it it helps them go to bed 'cause it gets out.
00:26:30
That last residue.
00:26:31
Yeah.
00:26:32
I drank it and I was like I trust you.
00:26:35
I'm gonna do this and.
00:26:36
I couldn't get it and he's like Amanda, you need to purge this is poison.
00:26:41
Like gets the full clean out and I'm like I can't you put it behind me.
00:26:41
I can't.
00:26:45
You can do whatever you want and he's like we've got to get it out of you 'cause you won't sleep now 'cause that it's like hot running through your body and so he realized at that time like.
00:26:53
I just killed her.
00:26:55
It's a blessing it, I mean?
00:26:57
I I purged once I purged once during one of my experiences and I mean, it wasn't great and I don't think like it was necessary for for the for my healing.
00:27:07
But if you're not uh perjure and for people that are listening that don't know what that means vomiting feces.
00:27:13
Yeah.
00:27:14
Whatever that's great that's a That is something.
00:27:17
To Behold,
00:27:18
But it's one of those things where you know.
00:27:21
I also realize when people do purge, and that's when their ceremony starts and they feel incredible.
00:27:25
Sometimes they're like I got it out.
00:27:27
Not, and so there every ceremony still for me there's a moment where I'm like come.
00:27:32
On I don't like her, but let's go.
00:27:34
Let's do it and then my head will be in the bucket.
00:27:36
But nothings coming.
00:27:37
My partners know it.
00:27:38
They laugh.
00:27:39
They're like when I start coughing like you're faking it, you're not gonna purge like.
00:27:43
Everybody is envious just just know that.
00:27:43
So I've
00:27:44
Already.
00:27:45
It's not great when we do the first tax, and I'm like I've never heard so that can happen knowing that that's very rare for people because everybody is normally purging a little bit, but.
00:27:51
Yeah.
00:27:54
Uh so we mentioned that the is it Campo or cambot with the frog.
00:27:58
Yeah.
00:27:58
Cambodia.
00:27:59
And is that the one that they burn it into like your shoulder.
00:28:02
Yeah I have. I have pretty gnarly scar getting other people's car much better so I don't show people my scars become mine was were done right like jungle so they burn. So in some traditions they'll do like five or six very small Mike.
00:28:04
OK, I see that.
00:28:12
Yeah.
00:28:19
Or dots based on the medicine, or they'll do 1/2 big ones and you can do them on your shoulder on the back of your neck or your ankle so the shoulder is good. It's pretty quick to the heart and in the back of your neck. If we have somebody that has any kind of conditions, or they might be a little bit older, we do it on the ankle so the feeling radiates slowly.
00:28:23
OK.
00:28:40
And Campbell is actually practiced legally here in New York.
00:28:44
They have weekend cambos every weekend.
00:28:46
Really?
00:28:47
Because of the UM, for your immune system, like right now during Kovid is great, but it's also for people with HIV or immune depressed because it honestly boosts your immune system.
00:29:01
It has so many different peptides and I I can speak personally.
00:29:02
Interesting.
00:29:05
Before I had my surgery.
00:29:08
For my breasts I was on a retreat and I told the guys I wanted to do cambot twice.
00:29:13
So I had all of my paper how my blood cell white and red blood cell was.
00:29:18
We did cambot.
00:29:19
I flew back to the USA and I went and had another test and the doctor was like what did you do while you were away and I said Campbell like I'm very open and I retreat and he goes.
00:29:31
What is this camo and I explained it and he goes.
00:29:33
Because your levels are up like good, you were ready for surgery because they were worried with me flying back and forth to Europe could be a problem, but they were.
00:29:44
Absolutely amazing.
00:29:45
So now these two doctors at Miami are like emailing me about it like they might recommend it to people.
00:29:51
Wow.
00:29:51
So it's pretty exciting.
00:29:52
Yeah, and it there's a lot of places if you put like Cambo retreat and most people will just be like in a room, they'll do the two dots and then you purge and then you can leave.
00:30:02
Now, one thing I'm curious about I heard that at the Church of Mother Earth in Orlando.
00:30:02
Sorry.
00:30:09
They had an experience with somebody with some Cambo and.
00:30:12
I think they died, yeah, and I trust that place and I trust their practices and their intent wholeheartedly, but is that is that something that's a known issue with that medicine like it has those side effects.
00:30:12
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:12
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:24
Baby, very scary, so that's why we make people do really a full checkup and understand what they're taking for their heart and their blood pressure.
00:30:33
And with medicinal use like cocaine or something, something that weakens their heart.
00:30:38
Yeah, may so the way that it happened.
00:30:41
That's kind of why I reached out to Chris because it was handled so well with the authorities and he was able to operate.
00:30:47
Nobody even came to investigate like it was.
00:30:49
He showed that he was dehydrated and he may have taken another substance.
00:30:52
Sure.
00:30:53
And you know this happened.
00:30:55
So for me it it's very scared we're always.
00:30:58
Very nervous before Campbell with Iowa.
00:31:01
We have it down, but, uh, we had somebody.
00:31:06
Who passed out or was out for about 3 seconds?
00:31:11
3 or 4 seconds and we had to.
00:31:13
I had to do a chest compression on his heart and he came to and we decided that we were going to tell him of course.
00:31:21
So he knows and he went and checked his heart and found out that he had an irregularity.
00:31:27
So in that way it was good because now he knows that you know he needs to watch and he was 25 years old. It wasn't, it wasn't anybody older. So at that point we started to get like, really apprehensive if we wanted to do this if we wanted to offer it to people because the benefits are there, you feel incredible and like going into ceremony.
00:31:35
Oh yeah.
00:31:47
But as a facilitator, we take this very serious.
00:31:50
Sure.
00:31:50
So we have learned to talk to people about it, why they would want to do it, what they know about it, but they know about their heart history and so it used to be.
00:31:59
Everybody would do it.
00:32:00
But now we only have a couple and we're never giving all these.
00:32:01
OK.
00:32:04
We do like a one good bump.
00:32:06
So you know you can have the purge and you can feel this and then the rest of the day your energy is down, but after that it's it was used for hunters in the middle or in the in the jungle.
00:32:18
OK.
00:32:18
After day by day your energy starts to rise, rise, rise.
00:32:22
So it kind of relight that fire inside of you it's.
00:32:26
Interesting.
00:32:26
It's a
00:32:26
Portable and your immune system is good, it's good.
00:32:29
For like different diseases like herpes simplex and things like this or for warts or anything so it can help wash this out of your body.
00:32:36
OK.
00:32:39
Man yeah that was an option when I did my my experience in Orlando and I I opted out because it was super intimidating so yeah, it.
00:32:48
It's it's it's interesting to hear like that is definitely one that you have to tread lightly.
00:32:52
With do you ever with?
00:32:52
Yeah, if you
00:32:54
Visit us in Florida.
00:32:55
We'll give it to you, yeah?
00:32:55
Heck, yeah, do you ever do or require full physicals or anything?
00:33:00
From a doctor before OK.
00:33:01
For some people, yeah.
00:33:02
Or some people for the others come we have.
00:33:05
We do a paperwork with asking for their history.
00:33:08
If there are any checks that I personally have, then I will reach out and talk to them.
00:33:13
We have turned people away.
00:33:15
There are certain mental illnesses that are not good for iron unless it's more like a special supervised care.
00:33:19
I gotcha.
00:33:23
So I'm types of bipolar, you know, but with schizophrenia and things like that, because what I had.
00:33:29
Does is it causes that moment of psychosis for some people like do have extreme lows and highs during a ceremony, so you are experiencing what it would be like to be manic or have bipolar.
00:33:35
Sure.
00:33:44
But for those people that have it, it can trigger it into like a reoccurring thing.
00:33:49
For weeks and months after, and that's not where we want somebody to, because you know, after the retreat you can go through these like small movements because you're realizing.
00:33:58
But the way that you were living your life wasn't ideal.
00:34:01
Like the responses you were giving.
00:34:02
The people were just out of fear.
00:34:04
You know all of these things.
00:34:06
So we we have turned people away.
00:34:08
Also that have come up like some that just come for this party atmosphere.
00:34:12
There are better retreats to go to and like Holland where they just push play and everybody kind of dancing it.
00:34:18
Right right.
00:34:19
We'll talk about it.
00:34:20
I get scared.
00:34:21
I'm like all that's so bad but it's yeah, yeah, we're very disciplined and like you start together we finish together.
00:34:22
Yeah, no therapy that's just all party.
00:34:29
You know we have three facilitators and one shaman.
00:34:31
Like you're getting care and everybody gets pre and post integration.
00:34:35
'cause that's for me is the most important part of this.
00:34:38
Uh, work.
00:34:39
Absolutely.
00:34:39
Like I said, movie is great, but the integration after is paramount.
00:34:44
It it's really hard.
00:34:45
So yeah, we're we're, that's why I like Chris and how he's doing it.
00:34:50
So.
00:34:50
00:34:50
So he's.
00:34:50
He's it's a good place to go to.
00:34:52
Yeah.
00:34:53
Very good.
00:34:54
I want to plug his website to the website is ayawaskachurches.org and if anybody doesn't know how to spell. I nobody knows how to spell I lost AYAHUASCA churches.org yeah, he's really awesome.
00:35:01
Thank you.
00:35:14
And like I said, for.
00:35:15
The I was intimidated you know, I was like you I wasn't a big entheogen.
00:35:20
Embracer, you know, I didn't have a whole lot of background in that stuff.
00:35:24
When I was a kid just a just a little bit that I don't feel was relevant for my adult life so establishing that setting that was safe enough for me to fully like you said surrender full trust.
00:35:35
That that was really impressive and I I would expect nothing less really because it's so important.
00:35:44
Yeah you shouldn't.
00:35:45
I, you know we have a lot of people that go in between to somewhere else or something, or they'll ask me.
00:35:50
And all in Europe and I'm like honestly, I don't.
00:35:54
We've had so many people come to try to heal from the trauma traumatic experience.
00:35:59
So of some of the centers in Costa Rica and there's one in Holland that just got shut down.
00:36:04
Yeah, and it's it's for like either having way too many people like 70 or 80 people with only one or two helpers.
00:36:12
And that's just and then they were like putting.
00:36:15
They did really different medicine or stronger medicine the next day and then this and they were mixing certain things.
00:36:21
We had a guy come that had tested himself.
00:36:24
After 'cause he had done IM many times and.
00:36:26
He knew something was.
00:36:28
Of and he called us and he's like I tested with opioids and cocaine and my audience and they were discussing it and the IO which for me it's like that medicine is strong enough.
00:36:34
Oh no.
00:36:40
If you're and I know that these retreat givers want to like make money and make sure people are satisfied.
00:36:45
But that is so unethical.
00:36:47
It's scary.
00:36:48
It's disrespectful to the medicine, too.
00:36:48
And yeah, it's and it's just to the people, it's the lie.
00:36:53
You're like, not even helping them.
00:36:55
So we've had people come to kind of reset.
00:36:57
That their system and also the ones where they push play and and they're dancing around and you know they come out with a party, but that's not really the point.
00:37:03
Burning Man style.
00:37:07
If there are other drugs to do.
00:37:08
If you want to have that party like psilocybin is great for that.
00:37:12
You know San Pedro is another medicine that I love.
00:37:15
I I work very well with San Pedro.
00:37:18
So you know there aren't that.
00:37:19
It's not all work, but with IA you need to like sit down be like a student and go in and hear what she has to say.
00:37:27
'cause that she's going to show you what you need to see.
00:37:29
But you need to be ready for it because in every.
00:37:33
And every, uh?
00:37:36
Interaction with her.
00:37:37
There's always going to be something you have to give up and people are.
00:37:41
I'm like, yes, you read this life but there's gonna be something either that you live by or how you like that leads your life that you're going to have to give up.
00:37:51
Because if you want to be like a happy or brighter person, you might have to give up.
00:37:56
Let's say even drinking if it's not even.
00:37:57
Alcohol isn't like you might just have to give that up.
00:38:00
'cause that depressant were stronger.
00:38:02
I knew than somebody else, or you're gonna have to give up being the tough guy all the time.
00:38:07
And like be a little bit more empathetic and people don't like I can see their face.
00:38:11
But I'm like in my experience with any type of like emotional.
00:38:16
Killing or trying to revamp your life is you will have to give up something.
00:38:21
Yeah.
00:38:21
We know that it's church.
00:38:23
When we were child, we know that like this is it you gotta share, you gotta give up something at some point.
00:38:29
If you want to gain anything.
00:38:30
Sure, I I I did DMT recently and I know DMT is kind of the core component in Ayawaska, but I did it separately and I have to say there wasn't any therapeutic element to it.
00:38:35
Yeah.
00:38:43
Like I got a lot of therapy, yeah, smoked it from just a glass pipe.
00:38:43
This stuff.
00:38:47
Like a 1515 or 20 minute thing or how long was it for you?
00:38:51
It was about 15 minutes and you know, there was similarities in terms of visuals and some of the sensations from my ayawaska experience, but
00:38:52
Yeah.
00:39:00
You know, I didn't really it didn't.
00:39:02
Take me into any therapeutic realm.
00:39:04
I felt nurtured.
00:39:05
You know, I I felt that same kind of feeling but I I don't see like that is something that can provide me the same level of healing or even.
00:39:13
Fractions at that level of healing.
00:39:14
Yeah, I agree with you.
00:39:16
I know a lot of people that have done it and and the way that they explain it as it's like so quick and by the time that you're in it and you want to navigate a little bit, you're already being pulled back.
00:39:27
Yeah.
00:39:28
And so that's I think for people that might be scared of trying Alaska, it could be interesting, but I even honestly tell my clients to try just be copy buying like this micro dosing before you try.
00:39:43
If you're worried about I'll like you can slowly introduce the Vine into your system.
00:39:48
At night you will dream.
00:39:50
You will start to feel this connection to A and then that'll take away a little bit of this fear.
00:39:55
You know you still want to have respect, but yeah, I think for people that do DMT before they do I.
00:40:01
Yeah, they're not fully like prepared if they think that's what it's going to be.
00:40:05
It'll be different, so I I'm a big believer and, uh, a micro dosing.
00:40:05
Gotcha OK.
00:40:11
I think for people now after they do, I yeah, you know it's not always possible to go to a retreat, you know, once a year or even have an experience we would all would love it.
00:40:20
You know 'cause I look?
00:40:21
But it was like you leave the retreat with a full tank of gas.
00:40:25
Everything is there and then it starts to deplete as like different things start happening in your life and you know real life happen.
00:40:32
So the idea is to use micro dosing so you do a course of five days you die it the same, and kind of refills your tank and gets you set.
00:40:39
Sure.
00:40:43
It's like you know, going back through this.
00:40:46
You know, like regiment and then you can go through and then maybe you'll be able to do one retreat just to top it up, but.
00:40:52
This is this is kind of the best way that it goes and people also do this with psilocybin, but for me in my experience over years it's it's been absolutely amazing because if once you drink I am more you can connect so quickly.
00:41:07
And so even when you drink the the copy you are able to just like ride that wave, you'll find it.
00:41:13
And then you'll just be able to dream.
00:41:15
You can go and sit and meditate and have this conversation with I, you know, sometimes you're lucky enough to be able to like, ask the question to her and she'll respond, and you know those are really beautiful moments.
00:41:23
Awesome.
00:41:25
Wait so you mentioned be copy and I did look at the attendee experience you shot that you.
00:41:31
Online be copy is just the product name for the iowaska Microdose.
00:41:36
Yep, that would be copy is what it's called.
00:41:39
Like a medicinal name for that so I don't have to be the word online, but it's something that we just shortened it.
00:41:41
And so.
00:41:41
And.
00:41:47
So be copy.
00:41:47
Vine is what it is.
00:41:48
D. Copy Vine and the website is andia experience and DEA experience.com. I was looking around on their really cool stuff I.
00:41:59
Is this are you only?
00:42:00
This area.
00:42:00
Area.
00:42:01
Allowed to purchase this in certain states or like are there certain restrictions?
00:42:05
No, as of right now, no, you can.
00:42:07
We we ship it out everywhere all over the world some countries have hold it or will hold it.
00:42:09
Fantastic.
00:42:13
But uh, no we we've had no problem because that is legal.
00:42:16
OK.
00:42:17
Yes, if we tried to put in like the leaves that recruiter leaves or whatever else they're using for that.
00:42:22
So that I'm I'm.
00:42:25
Offering I also will offer kratom soon because I love it.
00:42:29
I know there's a lot of different things to say about it but.
00:42:34
This honestly saved me from ever having to take pain medicine or fed him kratom. It comes from Bali. I was in Bali last year in Indonesia and Borneo in this area and it's a powdered substance they have. Everybody sells it. You have to be very careful when you buy it in the US because a lot of them will put.
00:42:38
I'm not familiar with, he, said Crowder.
00:42:54
Metals in there and you'll drink it and you'll get like dark eyes so I know it.
00:42:59
I know somebody that doesn't really well who.
00:43:01
I also buy from but it there are different colors of these leaves.
00:43:06
There's red, which is for like pain relieving sleep, anxiety and you.
00:43:12
It's a green and green liquid like a little shot and you take it and with it within 5 minutes you have relief.
00:43:18
Then there's like a white one which would raise.
00:43:21
For energy.
00:43:23
Bring happiness like antidepressant with effects and then green which is.
00:43:28
I don't know if people know Adderall.
00:43:30
Yeah.
00:43:30
That's what this green is so like if you need to be functioning it it will give you like a boost for four or five hours and it's a clean blue so you don't have like you don't have to come down.
00:43:41
We don't feel bad the.
00:43:43
What it's being touted for mostly is because it attaches to the receptors for opioids, so it is like an opioid but without the harmful effect.
00:43:50
Uh.
00:43:54
If you drink it way too much, your liver is gonna have problems and things like this.
00:43:58
Little hard to process.
00:43:58
But yeah, but the beauty of addicts getting off is a lot have been able to do it themselves.
00:44:05
With this with kratom and you can have it as a team.
00:44:08
You can do it but when I had my surgery I really didn't want to take a lot of pain medicine.
00:44:12
Sure.
00:44:13
I tried this.
00:44:14
And dumb it.
00:44:17
It was incredible like I have just kept it in my life so I will do it not before I go on retreats but I will do it in the morning like a small bit to just kind of like wake up and feel good and get it going but I wanna research it a little bit more but I have two great people to buy it from.
00:44:34
It's just incredible.
00:44:35
You can play with it a little bit it's.
00:44:37
It's really good stuff, so yeah, I love this little.
00:44:38
Awesome.
00:44:41
I yeah that wow very.
00:44:41
Yeah that wow very.
00:44:44
Cool stuff, I love the fact that there are.
00:44:47
Legitimate non pharmaceutical alternatives like to help you with pain and other things where people just they go to is over the counter.
00:44:55
Or you know something from your doctor.
00:44:58
Well, I think it really amazing and now I love that it's actually being like people are speaking about it now and I have been lucky enough to travel the world quite a bit.
00:44:58
So cool.
00:45:07
So when I was doing that I went around the world without a plane.
00:45:11
So like really by car and boat and all.
00:45:13
Yeah.
00:45:14
But but I loved like the fitness aspect, how people work out and stay healthy there in every culture. Even when you know they don't have a lot. And then also like their herbal remedies and these things because there are people that are living much longer than us on islands. You know, for like at 107 as a normal age and things like this. So I.
00:45:35
I love to do that and that's why once I decided to create the business, besides working with Ayawaska as my main, like the Oscar of everything, I wanted to have a platform where I could introduce people to other things.
00:45:49
You know, it's give or take.
00:45:51
There are things that I believe in.
00:45:52
I don't put up anything that I don't.
00:45:54
So you know I'm I'm slowly starting to use this space as like a a form for herbal remedies and then talking about my experiences.
00:46:03
And then you know, letting people try it.
00:46:06
I love it.
00:46:07
I love it and you mentioned you had breast cancer and so was that.
00:46:12
Were you already immersed in the world of entheogens and healing when that experience happened?
00:46:17
Or did that kind of propel you to the next level knowing you needed help?
00:46:19
It I I just.
00:46:21
Started yeah, I was, uh, I was in it and my partners were very good because I was like drinking teas from them and all of this.
00:46:28
And there were a lot of things that I didn't have to do because I was doing all of this.
00:46:32
So like there were a lot of really beneficial sides like my numbers were we staying up?
00:46:38
I didn't have to do radiation, you know chemo is not an option.
00:46:42
There's a little bit of a tissue issue.
00:46:45
Well, but we are going to see how it goes with this retreat.
00:46:49
So ideally, if business wasn't finally picking back up, I would go on a diet to I would go there and drink something.
00:46:56
But it's not that dangerous right now.
00:46:58
So if it became for some reason that I would go, that would be the first thing that I would do.
00:47:03
I wouldn't do it like late enough that it could jeopardize.
00:47:07
Working with regular Western medicine, but I would always try that first.
00:47:12
OK, because yeah you believe in it and it works.
00:47:15
I mean we do know people that have survived cancer from this, like very serious types of cancer.
00:47:21
So no chemo, no radiation and you were able to come out on the other side.
00:47:24
Well I had surgery yeah and but I was ready to cut.
00:47:25
Cancer free.
00:47:26
OK.
00:47:28
I was clean like I went to the jungle.
00:47:31
I asked I what I should do and she was like it's a no brainer do this and I went and on that retreat or when I was there.
00:47:39
I also had the idea for the company the name showed me where to like build it and how to do it.
00:47:44
Is that like a?
00:47:46
Trip that I will never forget because it with everything like order by land, where to look.
00:47:51
It was so cool all came together.
00:47:52
It all came together.
00:47:54
Talk about lemons into lemonade.
00:47:56
Man, that is awesome.
00:47:56
I love, I know I feel so lucky to have found it, but she is.
00:47:58
Simple.
00:48:02
Like for me, everything you know.
00:48:05
That's that's so inspiring.
00:48:06
I want to talk about your website.
00:48:09
It is apljourneys.com so if anybody is interested in finding out more about what you do, can you just talk about your the company and like what the journeys entail? Or you know anybody that might be interested in exploring more about that space.
00:48:10
AP.
00:48:25
So I, uh, I own India experience, which is like the platform to buy everything.
00:48:31
And also I work with veterans and offer counseling services.
00:48:35
So for like.
00:48:36
And that's what's the name of that organization.
00:48:37
Get India experience so.
00:48:39
You said the veterans, though there's a.
00:48:41
There's an organization.
00:48:42
That's also, yeah, the heroic heart is a I'm an ambassador for them, which is an incredible group of people that help veterans.
00:48:44
That's it.
00:48:50
So we will have retreats just for veterans.
00:48:53
Oh wow.
00:48:53
And then also veterans that are doing retreats anywhere else, like psilocybin or something.
00:48:58
I will help them go through it as a as a counselor and help them.
00:49:02
So I paired up with them also at the Iowa conference.
00:49:06
And then immediately he's like we need a female for this that's willing to share her story.
00:49:11
And he's like a member.
00:49:11
Yeah.
00:49:12
Or you know.
00:49:13
And so this spring we are going to do a retreat just for that veterans.
00:49:17
They're going to bring a group, so maybe we can start providing just that, because that's the next level we want to do retreats with.
00:49:23
Like maybe young business professionals.
00:49:26
Or maybe women that have been assaulted that don't feel comfortable around men and like have a female shaman come in and we will still do just the big groups.
00:49:34
But like specialize and see how this is working out and give like you know a different level of care and help people need and see how those women heal together.
00:49:43
See how you know these people.
00:49:46
So we will do that probably once a month starting now, which is going to be really interesting to see because you get like a young bunch of young professionals that are like at the peak of their game, but they want to like expand and I want them to come out and build like some crazy company.
00:49:59
And you know, California or they make money on Bitcoin.
00:50:04
I just would love here and we've had some.
00:50:04
Yeah.
00:50:06
People that are crazy success stories.
00:50:08
So India experience is the place for the online shop and offering my services of pre and post integration and then.
00:50:14
Sure.
00:50:17
APL journeys as the original UM company, and it is with my two partners, Boris and Sasha, so it's a great mix of like 2 Russians and American, and only through iron do they get along.
00:50:29
Very worldly.
00:50:31
It's like a perfect game.
00:50:32
But when people can check, like.
00:50:34
What is this mix like?
00:50:35
How does this hotbed?
00:50:36
You're personally tackling the Cold War.
00:50:38
With this this company.
00:50:39
I think.
00:50:43
I was like making love through I made possible and they are my brothers.
00:50:48
They're incredibly knowledgeable and they believe in this.
00:50:51
I mean.
00:50:53
They went at 18 and didn't even.
00:50:57
There was nothing really on IR then except for a movie called Butterfly or Blue.
00:51:03
I will think of it.
00:51:04
So there was only one movie out that like vaguely referenced Aja and they were both kind of like in their party scene, but they saved up money.
00:51:13
One of them had to ask for money and they just knew that they were flying to Peru.
00:51:17
They didn't speak any Spanish, so they went to Peru.
00:51:21
They went to the small village.
00:51:22
Where it's like by boat because they had a letter from a guy that said find this man wow and so they found who was our first shaman now.
00:51:31
And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys could do so.
00:51:33
They're just like sitting there in the jungle and he he makes them prepare it all like hack it down it's a couple day ceremony and and then Boris they both go in and they have no experience which can happen like nothing but they weren't really dieting.
00:51:46
They didn't know what that was so that can do something and I'm like.
00:51:50
You guys just went there to do that.
00:51:52
That's horrifying and they're like, oh, this was our plan and so then the third night.
00:51:58
He was like this, is it?
00:52:00
We're just going to drink tonight and then we're leaving 'cause they didn't have enough money.
00:52:03
They had run out of money to get the bus back to go home and they both had a ceremony that blew their mind.
00:52:10
I mean, they didn't have a ceiling at that time and the ceremony room and they were like they just remember like laying back and just looking up.
00:52:18
And thinking like Oh my gosh, it's so they were unprepared for anything.
00:52:23
Yeah.
00:52:24
They just let it and it.
00:52:26
At that moment when they went back to Russia, it it weren't really sure what they had just seen.
00:52:31
They didn't really know anything and I believe it was like a year later they wanted to go back and at that time they said this is what we want to do.
00:52:40
I mean, one of them had an incredible job working in the banking system like they weren't growing up and.
00:52:45
But they said we want to have retreats and it sounds so crazy because they never spent time in Europe.
00:52:50
They don't know like how Americans are, so they were doing them.
00:52:52
Sure.
00:52:55
In a very underground place that was not necessarily safe.
00:52:59
And then where I would never come.
00:53:01
But then they branched to Europe and I actually met them on their very first European retreat and the the funny story is that Shaman, their first shaman, had told the guys in Peru.
00:53:14
You will meet.
00:53:15
A woman that is very important to your job.
00:53:18
Wow.
00:53:19
He will be instrumental in.
00:53:22
They always laugh.
00:53:22
They're like, you know, we Russians.
00:53:24
We don't really believe in working with women, and certainly not like an American woman.
00:53:28
And I went in.
00:53:30
I was like, oh, I can see how we can massage this like Europeans need a different level of care in Switzerland at that time.
00:53:33
Sure.
00:53:35
So I was like I'm coming and I went to every retreat until they finally realized like that was it I'm in.
00:53:41
That is so cool.
00:53:42
And.
00:53:43
It will credible so we all work really well together like compassionate and Wellness just constantly researching everything and tell us and he's.
00:53:53
I can't ask for better partners like they believe in it as much as I do, we diet together so we will go to the jungle.
00:53:59
We're going to go to Ecuador soon and so we all push each other in his own way.
00:54:03
It's really nice.
00:54:04
I love it.
00:54:05
I mean, I'm super inspired by what you're doing and this is we've been talking for an hour and it's just been flowing so I I hope to talk to you again in the future.
00:54:10
Oh.
00:54:14
There's so much more that you have to share, but I've been.
00:54:19
I've been just fascinated.
00:54:21
Listening to the talk and thank you so much.
00:54:24
No, thank you.
00:54:25
I am we can talk.
00:54:27
Actually, I think it's good when I have my partners around which will be together starting in a week or so so they would love to sit down on their side is a little bit more scientific and they also have some really good stories, so I know that that would be a great intermix.
00:54:32
OK.
00:54:42
Heck yeah.
00:54:43
Well I look forward to that and again, thank you so much and I'm sure the listeners have found this really educational as well.
00:54:46
Awesome.
00:54:49
Thank you, thank you.
00:54:50
Have a great weekend.
00:54:51
Alright man, I'll talk to you soon.
00:54:52
All right, Ciao, Ciao.
00:54:53
Bye. Bye.
00:54:55
Second very wise woman.
00:54:55
And now it's time for some education as my lovely wife Jill joins us to talk about mushrooms and health.
00:55:01
You want my wisdom.
00:55:04
Second.
00:55:04
00:55:07
Trying to entertain our daughter while she's in the womb, instinctively singing songs about our cat Mook, who yeah, who makes appearances on the podcast unsolicited?
00:55:12
Milk.
00:55:17
And the newest song I know you've heard.
00:55:19
You heard the last installment which was an Vilpas MC.
00:55:22
I was listening to the Smart List Podcast and Gwyneth Paltrow was on and you know, she has her business goop.
00:55:26
Oh.
00:55:30
****** starts.
00:55:31
Oh yeah, it's like all like female and natural and definitely vagina heavy Jenna heavy.
00:55:34
OK.
00:55:37
Vagina heavy.
00:55:38
But come so they were talking about how the named group came and how her friends called her GP. You know, Gwyneth Paltrow. GP and apparently names businesses with a 00 are very successful. There's like.
00:55:45
Oh yeah.
00:55:54
Like something behind the soothing sound of the 00 so she threw that in between her initials. The goop and that's where goop came from and Mook might be the next big breakout business name.
00:55:58
Oh.
00:55:58
00:56:08
Yeah, it's it rolls off the tongue.
00:56:11
Nuke it rolls up so the recent the most recent installment is Puffy Tail MC and it goes like this.
00:56:11
Look.
00:56:18
Why is your tail so popiah puffy tail mook?
00:56:24
It's all spread out and fluffy puffy tail mook?
00:56:31
Was your dad so puffy mook and you've got it attitude?
00:56:38
Don't forget her get your food?
00:56:42
Perfect tell Mook.
00:56:44
Never.
00:56:46
That's so good.
00:56:47
So that's you know he's.
00:56:48
Becker likes it.
00:56:50
She does, she's kicking and, uh, him doing my part.
00:56:53
Yeah, but speaking Speaking of the devil.
00:56:54
So I have to.
00:56:54
Give mood partials.
00:56:56
Have to give Brooke partial credit 'cause his tail is inspiring and also intimidating at the same time.
00:57:02
Yeah, it usually means he's about to attack.
00:57:05
And he's here with the puffy tail right now.
00:57:07
So it was apropos.
00:57:07
Yeah.
00:57:09
We have a really interesting mushroom this week.
00:57:12
One that definitely is not.
00:57:14
Helpful to your well being.
00:57:17
Definitely not medicinally positive but really interesting.
00:57:19
I think the name will say it all.
00:57:22
So what is the name of the mushroom this week Jill?
00:57:25
We are talking about the death cap mushroom.
00:57:29
No, it's the Emini Defilada 's, if we're getting.
00:57:33
I want to see that's Latin Yeah.
00:57:35
Sure, it's old somewhere in Latin.
00:57:35
That's that's Latin but better known as the death cap and it is one of the most deadly mushrooms out there so buyer beware.
00:57:46
Isn't it the the deadliest?
00:57:49
It I mean, yeah, I would I would go on record, saying it's the deadliest.
00:57:52
Yeah, OK.
00:57:54
As far as the number of cases of it consumed there was another one, I was reading about the falling Angel.
00:57:58
Gotcha.
00:58:03
I want to say.
00:58:03
I want to.
00:58:04
Oh no, the destroying Angel, which is I believe more toxic like it.
00:58:06
Oops.
00:58:10
It can kill you faster, but it's less known and less you know whereabouts.
00:58:16
Destroying Angel that's just concerning in itself.
00:58:17
Yeah, I know right, it's like so beautiful and then.
00:58:20
Figure trust in Angel and it betrays you like that.
00:58:22
Yeah, so the death cap mushroom that it originated in Europe and what was interesting and one of the videos we watched was.
00:58:32
That, it is now on every continent except for Antarctica and and.
00:58:37
My shirts don't don't grow well in Antarctica.
00:58:39
Yeah, I think it's the weather, maybe the ice, they need wood trees.
00:58:41
Possibly that's not their ideal climate.
00:58:47
So so a lot of transplanting of trees.
00:58:51
You know you know, people wanna pay for fancy trees and have them planted in their backyard and spend all the money.
00:58:57
Birchwood
00:58:58
To it right?
00:58:59
Will they grow off I I've read that they've now they've evolved to even like pine trees.
00:59:06
They grow very well on the East Coast, where there's a lot more humidity and in the Pacific Northwest in specific like Seattle.
00:59:13
the Seattle area.
00:59:14
I believe one of the colleges out there, I think it's the University of Washington.
00:59:18
They actually have the death cap growing on their campus so something.
00:59:21
Wow, it's a little ominous.
00:59:23
Yes, as something to be cautious of and they look.
00:59:26
Yeah.
00:59:27
There's no like discerning features where it's like.
00:59:31
Oh, it's got red spots or oh.
00:59:33
It's got you know a black black X is for eyes.
00:59:34
Yeah.
00:59:37
It's it's a white white mushroom with it's like a yellowish tint.
00:59:42
It's got the gills underneath something that you can kind of tell it apart is the it's like a Cup like where the stem hits the ground.
00:59:51
It almost is like looks like it's sitting in like a little egg shell, and they call it a Cup like vulva.
00:59:54
OK.
00:59:57
A vulva.
00:59:58
Over Yeah, it contains amatoxins, which are specific to the what is the genus mushroom or the ammonite?
01:00:08
Amatoxins are specific to that genus of fungi.
01:00:12
So like Amanita muscaria that we talked about previously.
01:00:14
Correct so you'll find those amatoxins throughout kind of that species from you know, mild to more severe.
01:00:23
So when you do eat.
01:00:24
These mushrooms, the death cap it at first, it tastes great.
01:00:28
I mean, it's like that.
01:00:29
It's nutty flavor.
01:00:30
It's yummy.
01:00:31
It's who I I found a new mushroom that I like.
01:00:34
It's free I foraged it 6 to 24 hours later, you get some stomach cramps. You know you're not feeling very well.
01:00:41
If you're hydrated you actually start feeling better and then 3 to 5 days later.
01:00:46
Your body is breaking down and you end up dying from this so generally speaking, you know when you cook food or when you alter the food state.
01:00:50
Oh my gosh.
01:00:55
It will denature the proteins.
01:00:58
It can denature the toxins in it, it can make it safe.
01:01:01
Or eating that is not the case with the amatoxins so cooking.
01:01:04
OK.
01:01:05
Boiling steaming freezing.
01:01:10
These are very stable toxins so they will survive any of those cooking methods.
01:01:16
And again like, I said it does not taste remotely like death.
01:01:19
Kind of
01:01:19
It's actually got this really nutty flavor, which they you know, people will say it's the most delicious mushrooms.
01:01:21
How dare they?
01:01:26
They've ever eaten if they lived to tell the story.
01:01:28
And posthumously talking about that mushroom.
01:01:30
Yeah.
01:01:31
Yeah, I mean, they do say a few handfuls can kill you so and then of course, the size of the mushroom if you're a healthy adult.
01:01:38
But you know, I've read also that you know, one full size cap can kill you.
01:01:44
Now I noticed when I was looking at some of the the information about the mushroom there are they grow in like little circular patterns like around trees.
01:01:54
Yeah, so they like to grow from the roots and they have this like symbiotic relationship with the tree and yeah, they they kind of just they're not just like randomly 1:00 in the middle of the Woods right.
01:01:55
OK, the root.
01:02:07
They kind of grow around the baseline of a tree.
01:02:10
Neat, oh, so if you see a circular formation of mushrooms around a tree, beware.
01:02:15
Yeah, beware and even just thinking about how this mushroom.
01:02:20
It's it's so tasty right.
01:02:22
It's like you know is it?
01:02:23
Is it worth the squeeze or worth the risk of it.
01:02:26
It brought up something in my food safety class learning about.
01:02:30
Fugu Sushi, which fugu have you heard of that before are you familiar with that.
01:02:35
They offer a line of comfortable.
01:02:37
Building
01:02:38
Oh, not Boo Boo.
01:02:39
Oh, not sure.
01:02:40
OK fugu, no, I haven't.
01:02:41
Fugu umso it's it's Puffer.
01:02:41
Fugu umso it's it's
01:02:44
Or fish uh, which in Japan, it's delicacy and.
01:02:48
Eat some crazy **** out in the Far East.
01:02:52
Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, you want to talk crazy. The Puffer fish. So it contains a a food toxin called tetrodotoxin tetrodotoxin. It's 1200 times more poisonous than cyanide. I mean, this can kill you and there are restaurants, all throughout Japan that will have.
01:03:04
Jesus.
01:03:12
This.
01:03:13
Puffer fish like a fake, Puffer Fish.
01:03:15
You know advertised outside their restaurant, highlighting that they sell the fugu sushi.
01:03:22
Some poisonous as ****
01:03:24
Yeah, so the chefs have to go through years and years of training.
01:03:24
Yeah.
01:03:30
You know learning how to work with this fish, killing the fish properly to not release the toxins into the flesh and you know you've got.
01:03:39
These consumers that are just they they want to take that risk they want to.
01:03:44
No sign the walls, saying that they survived, yeah, they're saying there's enough toxin in one.
01:03:49
Puffer fish to kill 30 adults, like it's that severe and people will still you know brave it.
01:03:51
Wow.
01:03:56
Yeah, how delicious could it possibly be to constitute just throwing your life out there?
01:03:59
No right.
01:04:02
Russian roulette with something it better.
01:04:03
Yeah.
01:04:04
It better tastes like butter flavored *******
01:04:08
Uhm isn't that a drink buttery nipples.
01:04:10
But B yeah, it's delicious, right?
01:04:14
Yeah, so there is no antidote currently for death cap mushrooms, so that is something that they're working on because it does destroy cell like replication.
01:04:25
So, your cells will eventually die.
01:04:28
And then it also attacks your liver and your kidneys so just some.
01:04:32
Tips on forging out there.
01:04:35
Uhm you know you can always reach out to mushroom experts online you can take a picture. You can ask questions. If you're uncertain. You need to be 100% certain before you eat any sort of mushrooms.
01:04:46
Yeah, foraging is not to be taken lightly.
01:04:48
Go out with some nerds, some micro nerds, mycology nerds.
01:04:51
Mike and I like that eat a small amount of when you're trying a new mushroom and then keep a sample of that, so let's say you eat a mushroom keep that so if you have to go to the hospital.
01:04:52
You know like that.
01:05:04
You can be like this is what I ate and then they can kind of reverse engineer it to see if there's anything.
01:05:08
Or if it's the wrong mushroom for forensics.
01:05:12
If you care about that now.
01:05:13
Yeah.
01:05:15
Only mushrooms that are in good condition so don't eat any like on a golf course or on a law in the heads like fertilizer and other chemicals.
01:05:24
Good point, or if it just looks weak, you don't want to eat a weak mushroom.
01:05:27
I mean, if you if you're going to go out, go out with a.
01:05:29
Strong healthy poisonous mushroom.
01:05:31
Yeah.
01:05:32
See if you can tell.
01:05:34
Yeah.
01:05:34
And then you know try to eat one type of mushroom at a time so.
01:05:37
Don't be like, Oh I'm just going to have you know an appetizer of all of these mushrooms and have like a mushroom tasting contest?
01:05:45
No no no.
01:05:46
Uhm just you know try to limit the source and and you know, see how you feel after them.
01:05:51
Good point yeah, because if something goes wrong you need to be able to trace it back to the source and too many cookies in the cookie jar will make it tough.
01:05:58
Yeah, no it's it's it.
01:06:00
Just be hard to then identify what was causing the issue.
01:06:03
Again, don't make it difficult for the forensics team that needs to come in.
01:06:07
Awesome Info Boo, thank you.
01:06:09
Yeah, thanks for having me.
01:06:10
All right, we will talk to you again soon.
01:06:12
Alright, see you later.
01:06:13
Bye bye.