Episode 15 - Psychadelic Healing & The Feline Blues
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Welcome back to the MUstaSH ROOM.
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I'm your host David Ben on this episode.
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Molly enters the MUstaSH ROOM.
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She's an expert in psychedelic assisted therapy and the same person that helped me with my most recent experience great.
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Conversation we also get a visit from Jill.
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She tells us all about the Meshima mushroom and how we're using obscure songs about our cat to sing to our unborn daughter, Yeah.
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I also introduce a new segment where I talked to my hilariously cynical sister Abby Neezer.
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About random bullshit, and finally I want to acknowledge we lost my my Bubby. My grandmother this past week. She was 97 years old, and one of the last remaining Holocaust survivors. Auschwitz specifically and she dedicated her post. Holocaust life to educating any and everyone.
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About one of humanity 's lowest points and so there are 2 ways that I cope with loss, one way is humor, which you'll hear with my conversation with my sister and the other is poetry.
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I know polar opposites.
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But I wrote this poem to remember and to pay homage to my buddy.
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You know every once in a while.
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Yeah.
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I like to grab my favorite quill pen.
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Some parchment paper draw from my years of calligraphy experience and write down some thoughts.
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Then I transfer it to something digital because paper is wasteful and stupid and read them to you guys you're welcome.
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Yeah.
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Into the poem I just wrote.
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For my feelings and hurt my feelings.
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My mind to remind.
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Win or learn, but I will not lose it often in search, but never lost.
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I preserve my mind to remind.
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Reduce my body to a vessel, but I still mind.
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Immune to sale or seizure, I preserve my mind to remind.
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Impenetrable to the sword or the poisonous spoken word I preserved my mind to remind.
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Shrink me orphan me, mute me incapable of surrender submitting only to time.
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I preserve my mind to remind.
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A stark Journal guarded with lives to serve the now and next hour sacrifice demands it be hearkened, I preserve my mind for all to mind remind.
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And now my conversation with Molly Yeah, so I I definitely wanted to bring you on 'cause I learned a lot in talking to you when we met during my experience.
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Glad to be here.
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And I felt like a lot of the stuff that you shared with me in your experience in the field would be really enlightening and and just educational for the audience.
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So I wanted to ask you when when we first spoke.
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You You said that you work with 2 different substances and you decide based on initial interviews and questions that you decide which.
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Route to take.
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Can you elaborate on that a little bit for the audience.
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Sure, uhm.
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So yeah, I work with two different substances.
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Uhm, MDMA and psilocybin.
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OK.
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And the reason I limit it to those 2 is that's what I have the most experience with personally and I don't really want to work with people with substances that I don't have a lot of experience I just it doesn't feel comfortable, sending to me, so and there's a number of different factors as to which of those?
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Makes sense.
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Uhm?
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We 'cause it's a collaborative decision, the client and I choose to work with one being any contraindications.
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So MDMA tends to have more contraindications than psilocybin so if a person has a history of cardiovascular issues.
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'cause, UM, that's one contraindication that you have to be really careful with that.
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You said there's an amphetamine base to the MDMA.
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Yeah, yeah, so MDMA is I don't know how much you wanted me to go into this.
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But it is an amphetamine.
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So it it.
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It can be speedy.
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It can increase it could it can have a load on your body and in particular, your cardiovascular system.
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You'll hear people say the body load that comes with MDMA and it's just.
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You know there there can be muscular contraction.
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There can be tension, uhm?
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And so people refer to that as a body load.
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It's a heavy body load.
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Yeah, and I remember that my I felt really exhausted physically.
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Simatic exhaustion after the experience, so that can relate to that for sure.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so that's one contraindication uhm the other is certain medications.
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You have to be careful of in particular.
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MAOI 's, which are an antidepressant and anxiety medication.
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You have to also be very careful with SSR eyes because it's a serotonin.
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It interacts with the serotonin system and that's what MDMA does.
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So, so there's contraindications that have to be considered that.
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And you mentioned afterwards you had me taking the five HTP to kind of replenish some of some of the serotonin.
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Correct?
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Yeah, So what happens in the body?
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And this is a layperson.
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Explanation is the dumpster.
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That's how we like it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Ah.
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Yeah, try to keep it simple, ah, so the MDMA dumps serotonin into the system that's why it's a It's an empathogen.
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It's a heart opener.
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It also actually interacts or or increases.
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Oxytocin, which is a whole.
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Other thing which I just learned which is quite interesting, but so there's a serotonin dump.
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And your body responds to that by saying Oh I don't need to make any serotonin right now.
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There's enough in the system so the body shuts down its own products.
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Kind of of Serotonin and that's why some people experience kind of a depressive dip for a few days after is because the body isn't making the serotonin that it normally does on a daily basis, so that's why the 5 HTP is a natural product like Saint Johns wort and a few other things.
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Interesting.
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That can help.
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Help with that, serotonin, uh.
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Replacement or substitute so it can help keep the person from dipping and it's all testimonial and as is so much of this work right now there's obviously a lot of research.
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Very cool.
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But the research is normally done on normal populations so they're not.
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They're not testing these substances with people that have.
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Love.
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Have issues and so that's why most of the information you get is just based on people's experience.
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Sure, sure, yeah.
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So so anyway contraindications are one consideration a person history with non ordinary states that that could be a number of things, it could be hot, Tropic Breathwork.
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It could be psychedelics.
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It could be.
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You know drumming.
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There's trance dancing.
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There's ways to induce a non ordinary state.
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Aside from uhm, psychedelics but if someone has absolutely no experience and is coming in with a pretty high level of anxiety or fear?
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MDMA is a good gateway in to this territory.
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It's it's very it's relatively benign whereas psilocybin it.
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It can take you to a lot of different places, which sometimes can be uncomfortable so a person history with non ordinary states is a factor.
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And some people just are insistent on a natural product like Psilocybin versus a synthetic and so the decision is a collaborative one.
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Sure.
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I give them if I have a certain sort of inclination.
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I'll let him know that.
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The other thing is MDMA can be really good for trauma there.
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That's what they're researching it's amazing uhm the?
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The sort of results they're getting using MDMA to treat PTSD and trauma so if someone coming in with.
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That being explicit that's another thing that would weigh it towards MMA and the other thing is some relationship issues.
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Any type of relationship dynamics have someone coming in and their intention is to.
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Look at or work on our relationship of any in any context.
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You know work context family spouse.
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MDMA can be a really good.
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Uhm medicine for that.
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Yeah, and that was during our conversation, that was where you steered me because you know it.
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Yeah.
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It fall and it fell into that umbrella of intimacy and relationship issues.
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Millimeter.
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So uhm so those are some of the factors the the major ones that I would talk to the person about and then we would decide which substance to use.
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Cool, now.
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You you'd mention some literature like Michael Pollan 's book and some other things that you almost considered like prerequisites for entering into that type of experience for those newbies or the rookies like is that like how to change your mind would you consider that the Bible for people that are curious?
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About the experience.
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Yeah, for someone that has no reference to this work.
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OK.
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It's a great big overview.
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It goes through the history.
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It's heavy on the history in the beginning, so I just tell people if they're not engaged with the history just skip forward.
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But he does a great job and he's quite neutral in his writing about this work he wasn't.
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Looking to convince people he didn't know much about.
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It so he actually shares.
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Some of the research that's happening.
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Some of his own personal experience because he does go and find people guiding like the work that I do and engages with different medicines and he also talks to people who have?
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Have experienced the healing that can come from this medicine, so I think it's just a good umbrella overview and there's a lot of other resources out there, but that one 's kind of an all inclusive general good start.
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Oh yeah, I totally agree and I I endorse it wholeheartedly so that's very cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I wanted to ask you about the dosing so you know when people a lot of people have no idea what dose they're.
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Yeah.
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They're taking when they just casually take MDMA.
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You know in a social setting or party, setting or whatever.
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Same with Psilocybin, a lot of times people are like give me a cap and a stem or whatever what?
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What precise doses.
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Dosages do you use to kind of facilitate your experiences?
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Uh well with MDMA, there's a range you know, some will say 75% or 75 MG would be like a mini dose. You know you can you can feel something but it's kind of on the lighter?
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OK.
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And up to 200 milligrams up which seems to be dumb.
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Trending right now, the gold standard. It's always been 125 milligrams for MDMA. So you know you can kind of titrate that by you know, splitting whatever capsule you have so if you have a 200 milligram capsule you can.
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OK.
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Put dilute it in water and then.
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You know, start with one dose 100 milligrams and then add and boost it, you know. And that's that's quite. A common practice. Is using a booster so that a person who particularly has never done it. You can start out with a lower dose and boost up, you know, see how they respond.
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And then and then bustop 200 milligrams is considered quite high, so.
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OK, and that's what that's what we had, or that's what you used for me.
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Yeah, and if someone's on any type of medication that tends to.
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To dampen the effect, you know there's medications that antidepressants often will kind of dampen.
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The effect that's how they're supposed to work.
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There people tend to need more who might be on those medications because, you know, it's just that's one consideration around.
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Dosage is OK.
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What are the factors?
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That are the person coming in with that might require a higher dose.
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And the boosting that that whole process I'm familiar with that from Ayawaska because they allowed you to kind of ramp up a little bit and then hit you with the booster and kind of accelerate and maintain that experience.
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So it's I'm familiar with that.
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Yeah.
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So with the psilocybin.
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Again, I'm familiar with, you know my dosages for my my Saturday therapy or whatever I'm doing.
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But what do you use and what do you recommend for those of us that are not familiar with using that every day or whatever?
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Yeah.
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Well, as you know David the Strand, can you know not every mushroom is created equal.
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Understood.
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So, so there's some.
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Yeah you you you kind of have to know what the.
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Quote The potency is, you know, is it a really strong one or is it quite quite gentle so and you might not know that.
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So that's that's one of the reasons to start on a lower starting dose and then boost up so.
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But usually I find there's some factors that I.
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I collaborate the person to decide the starting dose and that's if they have no experience.
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They have some anxiety coming into it.
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We tend to go on the lower end of the spectrum, but in general I'd say.
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Hey.
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Starting dose for psilocybin would be somewhere between 2.5 grams and four grams.
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OK, and is that encount does that incorporating a booster or is that an initial dose?
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That's an initial dose so and I I just want to say that in working in the way that I work, which is in a healing context, uhm?
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OK.
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I'm not looking to blast people out into the ethers and hope that they come back whole, which people who have quote bad trips often.
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Sure.
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You know there's a lot of factors that can contribute that, but it's just.
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Their intention is to just see what happens, you know, take a handful of mushrooms and that's that's not not how I want to work.
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I want the person, no matter what medicine I use, to be able to track what's coming through.
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And with too high a dose you.
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Lose that capacity.
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Yeah, that makes sense and I remember you telling me from my experience that.
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You know you're going to help me.
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Establish my mindset and create the set, but you're 100% in charge of the setting and I thought that was really cool. How you took away that burden or any anxiety that may stem from not having a comfortable surrounding. Or you know, just anything that could compromise the setting. And so I thought that was really nice to kind of share that load and then.
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By helping me cultivate my mindset, we met in the middle and had a valuable, worthwhile XP.
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Parents.
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Yeah, I mean I don't I.
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I'm not sure we need to go into settings setting, but those are the two major major factors in in someone experience.
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Sure.
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What the mindset is, what they're carrying in internally and some of the prep calls are attending to.
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That is to really help the person sort what?
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What what are they coming in with and how might that influence and intention is one of those factors?
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And then the setting, yes.
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Where are you doing it?
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Who you with?
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Uhm?
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How safe does a person feel?
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And I don't mean Oh my God, the life in my life in danger it's it's your psyche knows when it feels safe and that's the real problem.
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That's what I'm looking to do is to create a safe setting as possible for the person and we we kind of collaborate on the setting.
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Like I, I usually invite people to bring items, you know, alter items that they want to be present in the field, so there is some sort of collaboration, but for the most.
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Art, uhm, that's my responsibility.
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Yeah, and I I've had my most.
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Powerful experiences when I have the most comfortable settings, I don't even have to worry about it.
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Yeah.
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And so yeah, if I if I ever have any tension or anything like can't get settled, the experience is just not profound at all.
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Yep.
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So that's almost paramount for me to have that safe setting.
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So that was really really valuable.
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Yeah, I mean I'll have people say.
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This is a really.
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Typical question.
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Have you ever worked with someone that's had a bad trip?
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And so my first question is how do you define a bad trip?
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Because the reality is.
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If you're working in a healing capacity with these medicines, it's not always comfortable.
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Some of the things that come up.
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Are not, uhm, can be disorienting, can be uncomfortable, but there's a trust.
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If you're working in a healing way, that whatever comes up is meant to be is meant for you to really look at in the healing process so you know I, they're like, well, I had a really bad trip.
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You know, when I was in college, and.
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And I usually ask, OK, who were you with?
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Where were you and how?
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What did you take and how much?
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And inevitably their response.
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It's like, well, that was kind of a set up for a bad trip.
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Sure.
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You know, I was at a con.
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There I didn't know.
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Many people come, you know?
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Or I was at Burning Man.
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And it was my first time doing so.
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Right?
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I get and it's like, well, you know, you're kind, that's kind of a setup.
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So yeah, yeah, a lot of variables, lot of unknown variables to compromise your experience.
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Yeah, and so as far as duration, I my experience.
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Yeah.
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Well, once you say why don't you tell us?
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Kind of the difference between the MDMA and the psilocybin duration.
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Just to kind of get an idea of how long the therapy takes.
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OK, uhm.
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You know, from ingestion you know prior to ingestion there's about 45 minutes to an hour of preparing the person, reminding them of how the medicine might might.
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Manifest itself, you know what?
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They can expect some of the different things and not everybody experiences the same thing.
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But for instance, in with psilocybin, there tends to be some nausha some people experience, so just letting them know.
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OK.
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Not giving him ginger chews to try to mitigate that.
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So there is usually.
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45 minutes to an hour of prep time. Then the person ingests the medicine and I used to say MDMA is a shorter acting medicine. I don't say that anymore because I've had people.
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I I worked with someone this weekend who?
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Didn't want to come out of an MDMA experience.
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Hmm.
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You know it was eight hours in and I kind of had to sort of.
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You know, just nudge a little bit.
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Yeah, I have stuff to do, yeah?
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And that's not atypical, yeah, well.
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No, I don't usually don't have.
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Anything to do, but it's like there is this inclination to want to stay there, especially with MDMA, so I you know you'll hear that MDMA tends to be four to five hours, so sibin tends to be 5 to 6 hours.
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OK.
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But in reality, after you work with a number of people, that kind of statistic goes out the window.
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OK.
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So yeah, but I'd say in general six hours give or take an hour.
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Interesting.
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OK, and so you had alluded to it to it, and I know we discussed the importance of integration and how once the experience is over and you have a chance to kind of come down and settle, the integration is really where the therapy takes place.
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So how do you approach the integration and how do you you know?
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Ensure that there are.
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Lasting results with the people that you work with after the experience is over.
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Well, first of all, I can't ensure anything.
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Well, I guess how do you?
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How do you try to put your fingerprint on the sustained therapy?
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Yeah, it's like how do I support the process right?
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Right?
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Right there you go.
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Well, I try to really emphasize in the preparation phase the importance of integration.
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You know that there is a way in which and our culture doesn't really.
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Uhm, it's not a great integrative culture.
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We're kind of go through an experience, and we want to be on to the next thing and not really pause and reflect.
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Sure.
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You know what?
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What just happened.
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So I try to really prepare the person to say.
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You know you for instance it's not an 8 hour experience, it actually to try to carve out four days is a minimum.
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So you have two days after where you don't have to turn your attention towards anything and you can really sit with what comes up.
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OK.
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Uhm?
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Most people I'm realizing don't even have a reference for integration, so it's really trying to and I offer to provide short term integration that can vary from person to person depending on their intention.
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And you know what comes up, but it could mean you know two calls.
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Two hour long calls and and what I'm trying to do is.
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Help them make meaning.
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Uhm of their experience and tie it back to their intention and really establish.
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A practice or practices that help them.
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To come back to whatever came through in the journey, and you know that's when the real work begins, is the integration and.
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Sure.
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It I can't.
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I can't dictate how much a person commits to that, but if someone wants to get the most out of it, you know, establishing a way a touchstone to come back to the experience on a regular frequency would be ideal, and and have some support.
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You know, therapeutic support.
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Uhm, you know?
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Support from others who can help them make meaning.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and so with the people that you work with.
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I remember when I did my ayawaska experience all the integration and all the feedback was amazing and profoundly positive.
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What kind of testimonials are you getting?
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I mean, like you, you must be getting life changing testimonials from the people that you work with, that that's got to be super fulfilling.
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Yeah.
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Ah, so let me.
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So one of my first clients, uhm, you know I had.
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I had done this work with friends, but one of my first clients came to me uhm.
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She had been diagnosed with stage four cancer and she had been reading about and there's a lot of research using these medicines to help with end of life anxiety.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That's how they phrase it.
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And so she came with her husband and she had a psilocybin experience and.
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After that I you know, in the integration process she said, you know.
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Oh
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Molly.
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Really?
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You know I I'm not ready to die I'm just not but I'm not free I'm no longer afraid and that was huge.
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I mean, I'm kind of getting goosebumps and that was that.
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Yeah.
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You know if you're sitting in that position where death is on your doorstep.
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To not have any fear is quite.
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It's quite a profound sort of shift, so that was one example of that.
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Long.
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Unfortunately, she ended up passing beautifully from what I understand, uhm?
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Yeah.
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Let me see another.
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I mean I could I could be on a whole podcast and tell you about testimonials, but you know, there's people.
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But we could defer some of that for the next time, but yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So some people come in with a real underlying level of anxiety.
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That's kind of typical that they've lived with forever.
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OK.
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And this experience with the medicine can sometimes be very somatic.
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It's all about the body and they'll come out of the experience.
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And they'll report that that's the first time that they felt anxiety free in their body.
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Why?
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That's so cool.
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It's maybe forever, so there's a reference there, and that's where the integration is important.
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It's like, OK, how can you keep going back to that feeling that you now your somatic body, feeling that you now have a reference for and tap into, and then eventually try to extend that feeling?
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So that's an example of how integration is really important.
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Oh I love it.
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I love I love what you're doing and I guess if people are out there and they want to look at me.
00:24:40
Ah.
00:24:48
Maybe getting some psychedelic assisted therapy or learn more about it other than Michael Pollan, are there any resources they'd recommend for, you know, just learning more about the whole process.
00:25:00
Oh God yeah.
00:25:01
And it's only increasing out there.
00:25:03
There's double Blind magazine, which is a magazine online that offers courses just introductions to this work.
00:25:11
There's the San Francisco Psychedelic Society, or Association or Institute.
00:25:18
They have all these.
00:25:19
Online courses, and often they're very inexpensive, so they're very educational, and I think that's the most important thing for people.
00:25:21
OK.
00:25:27
Well.
00:25:28
To sort of do is become educated about it, you know, and most people might not most, but a lot of people have done psychedelics, but it's always been in sort of a recreational, outward focused way, so they're engaging with other people with nature that that has its place and it's all good, but.
00:25:49
The context or the healing context?
00:25:51
It's all internal, so really learning about these these things and the way that these medicine medicines can be used in a.
00:26:00
You know, for healing purposes and and that's very different for people to sort of be lying down, listening to music with you, know the invitations, have eyeshades on and just go internal.
00:26:11
That that's very different than watching the clouds breathe and the trees dance.
00:26:14
Awesome.
00:26:17
And yeah.
00:26:18
Yeah I enjoy it.
00:26:19
I enjoy psilocybin in a recreational sense, but by no means am I looking for healing during that process.
00:26:25
Yeah, so yeah, it's not bad in anyway, so all those resources you mentioned also obviously listening to more episodes of the MUstaSH ROOM podcast.
00:26:34
And Molly, this is thank you so much.
00:26:34
Worse.
00:26:35
Not the given.
00:26:37
Molly.
00:26:38
Thank you so much for for being on and and educating us.
00:26:40
I I learned so much every time we talk.
00:26:42
Yeah, no problem.
00:26:44
I'll let you go, I'll let you get back to your busy day, but let's talk soon and great to see your face.
00:26:45
Check.
00:26:49
Yeah, you as well David, yeah, I'm glad I'm glad you're getting the word out so thank you.
00:26:51
Hi mom.
00:26:54
I've I've it's been awesome and thanks for helping.
00:26:55
It's important.
00:26:57
OK, take care.
00:26:57
Care?
00:26:57
00:26:57
OK, alright see you take.
00:26:58
Care bye alright.
00:27:00
2nd.
00:27:01
And now a segment where I chat with my sister Abby about random ******** She's a bit cynical, so I refer to her as Abby Neeser
00:27:08
This is my sister.
00:27:08
Deep.
00:27:10
Both.
00:27:10
Four of the same stuff.
00:27:14
I was reading about sitting shivah.
00:27:16
You know now that that Bobby passed, have you read the civil process?
00:27:19
Oh absolutely, I'm an expert.
00:27:22
You're well versed.
00:27:22
I figured you'd be well versed in all the two days and.
00:27:24
I know it in Hebrew and English.
00:27:26
Right, of course.
00:27:28
So for the whole week after the the after the.
00:27:32
General you don't push it.
00:27:34
So basically like you cover up all the mirrors, you're not allowed to wear makeup or shave or do anything that is self serving.
00:27:40
It's purely about mourning the deceased.
00:27:44
You're supposed to celebrate the life of that individual and just make it all about them in all of their memories.
00:27:50
But depriving yourself of everything.
00:27:53
That's a tough compromise.
00:27:55
I don't know a lot of that, just sounds like my life during quarantine.
00:27:58
So you're just a cut just roll right through it like a miniature this state anyways.
00:28:03
I'm already sitting sitting shivah on the couch.
00:28:06
I don't want to ship on my legs.
00:28:10
So yeah, I.
00:28:11
I mean I love Bobby.
00:28:13
I will celebrate Bobby, you know, I.
00:28:15
I I definitely want to respect that part of the tradition.
00:28:19
But I mean, it seems like a whole lot of work to deprive myself.
00:28:23
And I'm not sure Bobby was narcissistic enough to really want us to do that.
00:28:27
It seems like a whole lot of non work when you think about it, I'm kind of into it.
00:28:33
You're like I already have sheets over the mirrors.
00:28:37
Important mirrors mirrors.
00:28:37
Yeah.
00:28:41
Yeah, so I'm not going to be pure.
00:28:43
I'm not going to be sitting shivah to its its purest form, but I do respect the process.
00:28:49
It's supposed to go on for like 30 days.
00:28:51
And then slowly dissipate.
00:28:55
I love that thought now.
00:28:55
Oh, what's that?
00:28:58
I let my boss know.
00:28:59
Yeah, yeah, 30 days.
00:29:00
Yes.
00:29:01
Be like this is a.
00:29:02
There's FMLA.
00:29:03
And then there's Siva and HR.
00:29:06
HR has to categorize them almost the same.
00:29:09
Yeah.
00:29:12
Well, I'm glad that we're giggly, but I mean, yeah, it's it's a sad thing to see. You know a family member passed, but she was, you know, 97. Just not in her normal vibrant state and just really couldn't do anything or hang out with their friends. So I'm I'm glad that you know. Now is the time for her to pass.
00:29:30
Yeah, and not in pain and stuff, so that's good.
00:29:35
Thanks so much for hanging out. I mean, I always ask you like I'm trying to find ways to manufacture like some sort of the time to come to have a conversation. Yeah, I so you're in Florida for people that don't know you're my sister we can call you, you know, little sis. Lil apostrophe, sis.
00:29:54
I call you.
00:29:55
Neeser because your first name is Abby and that combined with nasers you know Abby.
00:30:01
But you can go and buy whatever you want.
00:30:03
I have a question about the Lil, isn't it Li, apostrophe, L?
00:30:08
What are you shaving out like?
00:30:10
What is the apostrophe standing for?
00:30:12
Because there's no eating, right?
00:30:14
So you're not really.
00:30:15
You're not.
00:30:15
It's not fully making little.
00:30:17
Right, I don't know little contraction.
00:30:21
Up for debate.
00:30:23
Little ambiguous contraction.
00:30:27
So you're in Florida and you got back in.
00:30:29
Yeah.
00:30:30
Yeah.
00:30:31
Well, I'm jealous of your governor.
00:30:33
He's awesome.
00:30:34
Welcome.
00:30:35
He looks like a a large baby making infantile decisions anyways, so you're in Florida.
00:30:41
The eye of the Beast, the the eye of the storm, the eye of the social storm.
00:30:48
Yeah.
00:30:48
So you're vaccinated, so you're immune to everything.
00:30:51
I'm not fully immune yet, so I will be shortly couple.
00:30:56
Thanks.
00:30:56
Which one did you get?
00:30:57
Which vaccine?
00:30:58
I'm maderna
00:31:00
Medina, and so you have another one coming.
00:31:03
And then after that is there like a another extension period where you have to like hold out hope that it's going to work.
00:31:09
Or is it instantaneous when you get that second shot?
00:31:13
I think 2 weeks after is like full immunity.
00:31:16
OK are you?
00:31:17
Yeah.
00:31:19
Are you immediately going to go to a super spreader event and just kind of like flaunt your immunity?
00:31:27
I mean, I've been looking at the whole time.
00:31:27
You like beaches?
00:31:30
Beches you can't touch me ************ I happen.
00:31:32
I believe in all the variants are spreading throughout Florida.
00:31:36
You're welcome.
00:31:37
Ah like, remember those those movies where somebody would have like diplomatic immunity and they could just like kind of puff their chest out and be like you can't do **** 'cause I have diplomatic immunity.
00:31:46
The same sort of bravado you should have that.
00:31:48
Viral immunity bravado.
00:31:50
I think so.
00:31:54
Ah, so what's what's exciting in Florida right now?
00:31:58
So you guys, it's probably getting about to get hot as balls?
00:32:03
Is that around the corner?
00:32:05
Uhm?
00:32:07
When it's been kind of cool the past couple days, I don't know why.
00:32:11
But yeah, it'll be.
00:32:12
It'll be back to normal, pretty hurricane season.
00:32:14
OK, so how does balls around the corner?
00:32:17
I think they're moving it up this year from June.
00:32:20
So it's just.
00:32:22
Like you know what?
00:32:23
We need the ratings.
00:32:24
Right?
00:32:25
Yeah, Mother Nature needs the rating.
00:32:28
GIG followers
00:32:30
Yeah, so I'm looking forward to that.
00:32:33
Do yeah, I mean, it's just kind of a free for all here like you do whatever you want.
00:32:38
You ask somebody to wear a mask and right everybody has a gun, I mean, it's Paradise Margaritaville.
00:32:40
They spit in your face.
00:32:42
Yeah.
00:32:48
Or the Prophet General.
00:32:50
I see that they're going to have at the end of this month. Dana White was boasting a good buddy of your governor. I'm sure. By the way, Dana White was boasting in the UFC, they're going to have a fully packed event in Jacksonville. Eight. What 50,000 capacity arena fully packed UFC? Bring back all the fans super spreader? Let's do this.
00:33:11
There you go man.
00:33:12
Well, I haven't got my vaccine yet and I don't live with it in Florida.
00:33:16
Fire in Florida.
00:33:16
Fire.
00:33:17
Well, I don't know they would allow me in if I had a vaccine passport.
00:33:19
Thank you very much.
00:33:20
They'd be like, yeah, why are you trying, Sir?
00:33:22
Pops
00:33:25
What's that?
00:33:25
Everybody is welcome you don't need to be vaccinated.
00:33:29
It's just a viral horror.
00:33:31
If you have viruses, we will accept you, no questions asked.
00:33:35
Yeah, it don't wear a mask though.
00:33:36
Yeah.
00:33:37
'cause you'll be ostracized.
00:33:39
Yeah, so I figured I if I get my vaccine then I probably wouldn't be allowed admission into the UFC event in Jacksonville.
00:33:46
I would be shunned.
00:33:49
So you know, that's my biggest reservation, but I'd love to be immersed in a super.
00:33:53
I've never been to a super spreader, so I mean I could cross that off my bucket list because my bucket list would be much more prevalent at that point.
00:34:03
Yeah, well we had the Super Bowl.
00:34:05
The Super spreader roll.
00:34:07
So.
00:34:07
Congrats, Congrats by it by the way.
00:34:09
Thank you and yeah, I mean we have russellmania coming up next weekend in Tampa.
00:34:16
What is that going to be?
00:34:17
A a full capacity event?
00:34:19
I think it's limited capacity, but still, you know.
00:34:24
I mean, I've been to WrestleMania before and you know those are super cautious people so I'm sure it'll be fully masked.
00:34:31
Right, the monster truck crowd does frequent the WWE events.
00:34:37
Nothing against people that love big monster trucks, but I wouldn't say they're part of the Super liberal like over science sort of base.
00:34:47
You know, maybe a little science deficient.
00:34:51
Yes, slightly.
00:34:52
I mean they'll be masks, but like the Lucha Libre masks.
00:34:55
That's about it.
00:34:59
I can't wait to come back, come back to see my fan and as soon as I'm vaccinated you will see my face again, but until then, I am petrified of petrified.
00:35:11
I'm gonna wear my mask forever.
00:35:13
I mean, next time I see you like Pandemic or not like mask and sunglasses is my new thing.
00:35:19
Then you can't see my facial expression.
00:35:21
Well, I never really wanted to see most of your face anyways.
00:35:24
I did the resting bitchface or rolling my eyes or both, so that really.
00:35:29
Those should be kept under wraps.
00:35:29
Easy.
00:35:33
Yeah, I, I mean for you and you said it when we talked on the phone.
00:35:36
The the.
00:35:37
The quarantine the the pandemic was a blessing that you were just.
00:35:42
I mean it was.
00:35:43
It played right into your hand.
00:35:45
Yeah, you had a you had a you had a face card with a face card down and they threw you an ace blackjack.
00:35:46
Right.
00:35:47
Yeah.
00:35:50
Boom
00:35:52
Man Siva is I mean you know I don't want to say that's basically what my life is.
00:35:58
I don't have to show my face half the time I don't have to feign interest.
00:36:06
In people conversations uhm?
00:36:08
Yeah.
00:36:10
Anything that takes any sort of social effort.
00:36:12
It really enables me and empowers me to be just an introverted bench all the time finally.
00:36:17
Good good, yeah, just shiver cuddle weather.
00:36:24
We still have funds.
00:36:27
Oh
00:36:28
Oh yeah, so yeah I haven't seen you.
00:36:30
This is the first time like.
00:36:32
I've seen you in awhile.
00:36:33
We usually do like text and phone conversations.
00:36:36
Yeah, I'm not super into this whole.
00:36:38
You have to see my face.
00:36:40
It used to be.
00:36:40
Just phone conversations in general.
00:36:42
Now it's like everything is a zoom call and.
00:36:45
You can't get out of it used to it.
00:36:47
He said not to worry.
00:36:48
That you have to see my face.
00:36:49
Well I used.
00:36:50
To get super petrified when somebody would try to FaceTime me like I would turn on my phone, I would like open up my phone and I would see that somebody had their face waiting for me to expose my face and I would get.
00:37:00
I mean, my anxiety would go through the roof, but now I'm like, oh it's you know I guess I have to kind of adopt and adapt to the new climate, but nobody says I have to be.
00:37:09
Happy about it.
00:37:11
Now sometimes I just turn off the camera and.
00:37:13
Say it's not working.
00:37:16
Yeah, I have one of those those retro phones that doesn't have a camera.
00:37:20
And like I remember when I was dating in what was it? Oh 2001 that dates me but dating in 2001 and I went up to a girl and I was, you know I was talking to her and I was like maybe I could get your phone number.
00:37:34
And she looked me dead in the eye, and she said.
00:37:36
I don't have a cell phone and I'm never home and she walked away.
00:37:41
I was like, oh.
00:37:42
Yeah.
00:37:42
Baller move baller.
00:37:44
I mean I respected her wholeheartedly for fishing but I was like yeah I was like wow.
00:37:47
2nd.
00:37:50
First of all, that's completely untrue.
00:37:52
But I mean.
00:37:54
Said it with confidence with no wavering.
00:37:57
And so I just had to deal with it.
00:38:00
But nowadays there's no way.
00:38:01
You can't say that with confidence these days.
00:38:05
I wish I missed those days.
00:38:07
Ah, just having an out be like I'm inaccessible.
00:38:10
I'm not accessible by.
00:38:14
No.
00:38:16
Yeah.
00:38:18
Yeah, good times.
00:38:19
The good old days.
00:38:20
Yeah, remember when you had to like you could write a phone number on your hand.
00:38:24
And then as soon as you sweat from social anxiety, it went away.
00:38:32
The good old days.
00:38:34
Oh God, well I'm gonna hit you up to do this more often and I'm sure once the immense listening audience hears your voice and your sense of humor, they'll want you back.
00:38:35
God.
00:38:35
00:38:43
But I, I love you.
00:38:44
Miss you.
00:38:46
Love you and I miss you too.
00:38:47
Alright I'll talk to you soon bye.
00:38:48
I'll talk to you soon.
00:38:48
00:38:50
And now it's time for some education as my lovely wife Jill joins us to talk about mushrooms and health.
00:38:51
2nd.
00:38:51
00:38:57
You want my wisdom.
00:38:59
Very wise woman.
00:39:02
Thank you, my lovely wife for being back in the MUstaSH ROOM.
00:39:05
Hon
00:39:07
My lovely husband, handsome husband.
00:39:08
Yeah, well, I mean.
00:39:10
Thank you very much.
00:39:11
I mean that's up for debate right now.
00:39:12
It's been a grooming.
00:39:14
It's a challenge grooming time for me right now.
00:39:16
Aren't you observing Sheila?
00:39:19
Yeah, there's some sheva.
00:39:20
There's some sheva even though I just recently learned the ends and outs of Siva.
00:39:24
Yes, there's some ship.
00:39:26
I mean that pizza was probably not a a Shiva Move 'cause you were enjoying it.
00:39:29
No, I was indulging.
00:39:31
I am selective Shiva at this point.
00:39:31
Nothing.
00:39:36
So Joe, first of all, I want to say we are what almost 30 weeks is that tomorrow.
00:39:42
Uhm what is Mondays Monday Wednesday Wednesdays are like week week adversary?
00:39:48
Wednesday is 30 weeks and we've been try.
00:39:52
Trying to play music and sing to the baby.
00:39:56
Yeah, we've got a nice lullaby that we sing them teaching her.
00:39:59
We do we do.
00:40:01
We've been limited to songs about MC at this point.
00:40:05
For those of you listening, you know the MC is a frequent visitor on the podcast.
00:40:09
Hopefully silent, yeah, unsolicited vocal contributors to the podcast, but he also he'll sometimes stand on your chest and put the.
00:40:10
Unsolicited.
00:40:10
00:40:19
Yes.
00:40:20
Insane amount of weight in its front two paws right?
00:40:22
Like a death touch.
00:40:23
Yeah, right on your sternum right?
00:40:25
Yeah, and it's not even both it could just be one where he has all feet on you.
00:40:30
But like the one is just like the pressure and the weight that he can like emit is insane.
00:40:37
Yeah.
00:40:38
It's like an anvil.
00:40:39
Yeah, it's like an anvil.
00:40:41
It's elephant.
00:40:42
It's elephant, like the way he puts that much pressure.
00:40:43
Yeah, and he knows like exactly the pressure point, apparently that exists on your like breastbone.
00:40:50
And Yeah.
00:40:51
Anything that can inflict pain, mucus savvy.
00:40:53
He knows them.
00:40:55
So we came up with a song, so we used the same kind of Blues theme to all the songs about milk and so the most recent song and this is our contribution to creating a a creative Becker one that's musically inclined is.
00:41:10
Why you oppose so heavy?
00:41:14
And blve.
00:41:17
What is your puzzle?
00:41:18
Yes.
00:41:20
Browser is heavy handfuls and.
00:41:24
There Pomoco rail pass so heavy new.
00:41:30
Anvil palm
00:41:32
And then that was a spin off from puffy tail moog.
00:41:34
Puffy tail New York dirty but MC.
00:41:37
Oh, I don't know the I mean, I do more of.
00:41:39
Why is your blood so dirty?
00:41:43
I forgot about that one and then why is your tail so puffy?
00:41:44
Yeah.
00:41:47
What?
00:41:47
Yellow tails so profane.
00:41:49
Lovedale.
00:41:52
Oh MC.
00:41:53
So MC provides little in the way of friendship or empathy, but a lot in the way of songs unknowingly.
00:41:55
Yeah.
00:42:01
Yeah, so this these are bekkers for soft so.
00:42:04
She's gonna come out singing like a Blues musician.
00:42:04
She said.
00:42:08
Yeah, maybe she'll be a Blues singer.
00:42:10
Hey, I'm not.
00:42:10
I'm not opposed to that either.
00:42:11
No me neither.
00:42:12
All right back to business.
00:42:13
What mushrooms are we talking about today and how can we benefit from its consumption we?
00:42:18
We
00:42:18
00:42:19
Are going to talk about the Mashima mushroom uhm?
00:42:23
Welcome to mashima?
00:42:24
As you know.
00:42:26
So this is a mushroom.
00:42:28
It grows on like bark grows off the side of trees and it looks.
00:42:34
It's almost like a protrusion of the tree that resembles like a Black Horse Hoof.
00:42:41
OK.
00:42:41
So it does it doesn't look like spongy or delicate it looks like it could take some?
00:42:48
Some force to it so.
00:42:49
And like a piece of pie.
00:42:51
Payment.
00:42:52
Yeah, I mean, maybe we could piece of payment but it looks like a piece of wood that just kind of jetted out and.
00:42:52
Yeah.
00:42:52
00:42:59
So don't judge this book by its cover, essentially.
00:43:01
Yeah, it's it's really interesting looking I would imagine it's very tough.
00:43:06
So it's it's not going to be something that you're going to consume raw or like Saute in a stir fry.
00:43:09
OK.
00:43:12
I know sauted bark.
00:43:13
Yes, I mean, unless if you're going for a bit, but, yeah, so the The Machinima.
00:43:15
Sounds awful.
00:43:20
It uh it actually also goes by Blackhoof because it resembles it so much so it could be a black or Brown growing on Mulberry trees.
00:43:30
Ooh.
00:43:31
And so you know the Mulberry.
00:43:33
That's another nursery rhyme Down Road Mulberry Lane or something.
00:43:36
Or round the Mulberry tree.
00:43:36
Round the Mulberry tree.
00:43:38
Or the Mulberry Bush.
00:43:39
Remember Bush, I think you're right, yeah?
00:43:40
One of those.
00:43:42
Come.
00:43:43
Yeah, so it's a staple in traditional Chinese medicine as is much of you know all the other mushrooms that we outline and the some some of the benefits include treating of digestive problems.
00:43:51
Yeah, eastern medicine.
00:43:58
So you've been upset stomach stomach like diarrhea, you know, nausea heartburn and.
00:44:04
Just Dance.
00:44:05
Second, why did they make that so fancy?
00:44:09
Oh, Pat down, there's more for your beggars.
00:44:10
Yeah, so uhm yeah, so substitute for Pepto Bismal could be some machine.
00:44:17
Imma mushroom extract.
00:44:19
It's very nice.
00:44:20
So that is something that is used quite often on the in the East Eastern cultures.
00:44:27
Additionally, it's a huge benefit with anti inflammatories and it can help with eczema and skin conditions, so that's something where they'll take some of the extracts and you can put there either in oils or lotions, and you could apply it to your.
00:44:37
Nice.
00:44:42
Either.
00:44:42
00:44:45
Skin as a natural remedy to treat that same thing with chronic inflammation.
00:44:48
Very cool.
00:44:52
It's like you have.
00:44:53
I don't know if you're you know what is that like when your bones hurt or just like.
00:44:57
Yeah, well it could be based on the weather.
00:44:59
It could be based on, you know the the geography.
00:45:00
Yeah.
00:45:02
Yeah, so uh anti inflammatory properties like I had said, you know, with conditions with heart disease, diabetes, allergies or arthritis.
00:45:13
It does some more, support the immune system.
00:45:16
It's got the polyphenols beta glucans and intense antioxidant effects.
00:45:22
So it's an excellent choice for boosting your immune response.
00:45:25
Now you had mentioned earlier when we were talking about it, that it has some female specific qualities.
00:45:30
Yeah, so I was doing some research and I found that.
00:45:33
But as far as cancer goes, treating breast cancer for some, for some reason it's highly effective and supporting Women's Health, supporting healthy breast tissue and fighting against breast cancer, yeah?
00:45:47
Awesome.
00:45:49
Very cool.
00:45:51
Yeah, I like I like the fact two we were talking about mushroom blends and how we've had different blends of various medicinal mushrooms and it seems like the same mushrooms keep popping up like reishi and Turkey tail and Lions mane, and this one seems to be in the mix as well.
00:45:59
Huh?
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They all have very similar qualities and and play nicely together.
00:46:07
Yeah.
00:46:10
Yeah, chogha.
00:46:10
That's very, very interesting.
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Uhm, yeah.
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All of those.
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You know, multi faceted mushroom drinks, mushroom coffees, tinctures, all of that.
00:46:19
Yeah.
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They really do support one another and they work together versus against.
00:46:26
Very cool, so how other than the topical option to do people normally consume it in like form?
00:46:31
Perfect.
00:46:32
Or did it mention any other options?
00:46:33
Yes, so I have seen where you can buy them in capsules.
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Amazon offers them.
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So yeah, that could be, you know, another way to go to ingest your machine mushrooms.
00:46:43
Nice, nice.
00:46:44
Well we're going to keep this short, but I found that very informative.
00:46:48
Yeah, did you good?
00:46:48
And yes, thank you so much for being here.
00:46:51
We'll pick another great topic for the next time, but until then, stay well.
00:46:55
Awesome you too.