Episode 14 - MDMA Assisted Therapy & The Beauty Mushroom
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Welcome to the MUstaSH ROOM. I'm your host David Ben make sure to check us out online at MUstaSHROOM.com or @MUstaSHROOM - sponsor MUSTASH Brands based out of Denver CO.
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On this episode, we started a new segment where our cultivation prodigy.
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Andrew and in this case, his fiancee.
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Jackie tell us all about what they're working on in the lab and really provide some good tips for growers.
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Both experienced an new we also get another visit from my lovely wife, Jill, who tells us about that Ramella AKA the beauty.
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Firm an I talk with my good friends lion.
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Erik their Co host of the sweat.
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Equity podcasts based out of Tampa about my experience in Santa Fe doing both MDMA assisted therapy.
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An experiencing the most amazing art project.
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I've ever seen called Meow Wolf.
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If you're not familiar with me, I love.
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It's something that started in Santa Fe, it's branching out too.
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Vegas and Denver, an Austin and it's a growing movement.
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It's kind of a big playground for kids or people that really like to play with psychedelic.
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Nonetheless, anybody that really likes good art and just being having fun being a kid.
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It's super cool.
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So we don't go into it in too much detail on the podcast.
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Feel free to do your homework.
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But I highly encourage you to check it out last year when I went out there with the wife.
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They just closed.
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We went out there for the weekend and the day that we arrived, they closed due to Covid.
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Because it's really like.
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But you're in there right now, you just look like you're in a storage unit that's going to open.
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Up into something yeah, I knew that was going to come up so we have our basement being redone.
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Thanks.
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So essentially everything that was in the basement all my amateur mycology equipment all that stuff.
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Is in frame inference right?
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Behind you.
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Yeah.
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So trust me, this is not like a hoarders background.
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But all of your stuff.
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Not all of it man there's this stuff scattered.
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He had a lot of trouble where.
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You like that.
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I'm jealous as a dad.
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I'm jealous of how many big asked up.
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Yeah, he's actually he's got the most.
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I'm like literally like I need that **** Yeah.
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I know I'm like those are the $13.00 ones not the $10.00 ones. Those are the 13 with the handlers in.
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You got the good ones, not not.
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The clips on it while walking yeah.
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The black and yellow ones, yeah, not the black and yellow ones.
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Yeah, you gotta see through so you know it's enough.
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So I'll hook you guys up with the mono jumping will talk about monotypes another time.
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The video CD.
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OK.
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OK Meow Wolf is open all year round.
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Yeah.
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So it's it's open all year round.
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But since Kovid.
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They just reopened March 19th like after a year.
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So you know everything in there is very hands on you know all the puzzles and everything is very tangible. You have guys employees walking around like nonstop cleaning everything that you touch so they almost like contact trace on site and just wipe down stuff constantly. There was like a 95 year old there's like a 95 year old. Dude, in there that looked like he was tripping balls just walking around just wiping stuff down, he's having a blast.
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OK, well. Joey.
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Yeah, we'll see about that.
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Yeah, I feel like I could go in that sober and have.
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A good time it well, I didn't go sober.
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I decided to take a heroic journey through the meow Wolf by myself.
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And so I took took 3 grams of B plus Psilocybin initially and then 2, more grams to kind of boost it throughout so I was about 5 grams in just tripping balls experiencing the coolest playground you could possibly imagine how.
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Long were you there?
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Probably about 34 hours.
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You could stay all day if you want.
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They they won't kick you out.
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400 square feet.
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Like I still hear.
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It's right, it's all like at 1:00 point.
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Why people drop you?
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Off have a good day bye.
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Well, I was already in I was already in Santa Fe for I was doing guided MDMA therapy so.
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Yeah, so I was there.
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I was there for business, so well.
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I thought you definitely gonna say a word for trade well.
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For me that I mean, essentially that's
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Work so it's it's
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Good for you, I'm just saying I thought it was gonna be.
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Some different yeah and.
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I do want you working on yourself in.
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Both.
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That way, yeah, and I do want to make it clear like one of the things that on my podcast, the MUstaSH ROOM, we talk.
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Constantly about just ways to improve your psyche your overall well being in any way that you can that you can drum up so this.
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This being something that's you know, controversial legally.
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You know still schedule one that kind of stuff.
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It's a little tough.
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You gotta tiptoe around it.
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But dude, I take this stuff for therapy and it's been life changing.
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And Yeah.
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Yes, and a few years down the road.
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Everybody will have access to it for therapy.
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Yeah.
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That's that's where it's going and I think anybody who's done it is in agreement like you absolutely feel better than.
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Next day.
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What's not even about that?
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Sky is bigger things are brighter, it's it's pretty straightforward.
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No doubt dude.
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Yeah.
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I love all that stuff but like when I you know people think I take mushrooms.
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It's like a fun thing yeah when I go to Meow Wolf and trip balls by myself I want to be a kid and you know.
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It's cool I put.
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On a dude I had my briefcase I put on.
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I'm
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All business.
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I don't feel fun it's all work.
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I was wearing a three piece suit.
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I had music in my my ears.
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It was awesome.
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You really had a
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No three pieces.
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You had a suit on the batter.
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Now I.
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Know three piece.
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Suit, but I did have music blasting the whole time, so I was listening to like.
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Get lower prices.
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Pranky, or rising Appalachia?
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Some of my favourites just going boom boom the whole time.
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He's awesome.
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Yeah, again like meow Wolf like you're just dropping some band names.
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That like if you said string cheese incident and be like OK.
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Reporter.
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I know perfect then I know them.
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Pull up the website.
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You can see what I'm talking about.
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It's it's insanely cool, but I was there just being a kid and that was my non therapy portion of the weekend.
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The therapy portion was guided.
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Malior guided MDMA so I found a lady that specializes in both psilocybin and.
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MDMA guided therapy.
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We had several conversations leading up to it.
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She kind of understood what I was trying to get after, and essentially I'm trying to deal with some intimacy issues and some making love issues with the wife.
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So I'm working with the therapist to try to loosen the reins a little bit and not require like somebody spitting in my face to get off, you know, just.
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This trickle, yeah, let's take a left turn into the sexual real quick.
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Wow, that would you?
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You like that well, hey, I'm an open book.
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I hope your honesty man.
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I am an open book my friend.
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Great.
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Great, but I hate it.
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Look it.
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It's one of those things like I'm I'm I'm glad I'm vanilla like I don't need any of that 'cause it takes a certain kind of.
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You know partner does yeah, and a lot of effort, honestly, I'm kind of a lazy lover is that anything.
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Effort.
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Ah.
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Can I throw an MDA MDMA?
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Question my biggest the biggest reason I've never taken.
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For sure.
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It is because I know it's really hard to find like pure pure right like it's it.
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Right?
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You always hear the horror stories of people taking it and like something bad happens.
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They have a bad reaction.
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Of course, it's probably a way very small very it's like someone getting covid twice like almost not real, yeah, and so.
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Right?
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What's it called?
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How how do you feel comfortable with that because that's why I don't want to do acid ever I just don't.
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I don't.
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It's it's kind of it's not a step down thing.
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It's a man made thing but it's that things like.
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Right and synthetic to an extent.
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I mean it.
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It is.
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You had it since I mean.
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It could synthetic 100% of your 7.
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100%.
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Well, I mean.
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Yeah, in that form.
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Year nature in that form.
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There's you know the amphetamines.
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But was awful Percy sometimes so.
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How much huge Cliff say I'm a big risk averse?
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Push.
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And that so and that's why we love you.
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But dude it's got amphetamines in it, so you know there is a risk with heart palpitations and some other stuff.
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So you do have to be careful.
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You're talking about the Molly.
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MDMA, yeah?
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MDMA?
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Yeah, but I'm talking about how do you trust I guess I have a trust thing like?
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What's the supply chain that gets to me?
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Well, it's just.
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I mean, it's just like anything else you know there's there are people that are that.
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Right so think about that out, OK.
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Treat it medicinally, you know it's it's.
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It's not.
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It's not the focal point of their stuff, they use it as a catalyst for their efforts so you know she has those two substances.
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Sure.
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She has some pretty reputable people that she get some from.
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I'm not worried about the psilocybin, you know that I can do that, but the MD.
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May I had to vet her in the process because you're right.
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I mean, I could be.
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She could be giving me a bunch of strychnine and other ******** that could **** me up, but I did my due diligence and I did my research and she was definitely on the on the up and up.
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Look your boy likes to party.
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I'll have I'll have 3 or 4 zimas some nights, but you know, I just have to?
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Five Jolly ranchers.
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Follow at least.
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Yeah, take the take the bite off but Molly more than anything has this weird like.
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I don't know this weird vibe around it ever since I've heard about it about.
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Yeah.
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It's it has that it's Chinese drywall.
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Destin pressed into a pillars.
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Well.
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They're doing they're.
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Doing clinical trials with that, they say they're doing with Psilocybin.
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Yeah, in Sarasota Maps maps.org based out of Sarasota with Rick Doblin. They're kind of the the leaders in the effort for MDMA assisted therapy for PTSD, so for me it's not PTSD. It's just more of like you know, having some being exposed to some nasty **** as a as a youngin and as a young Jew.
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Prior to my bar mitzvah, I was already way beyond being a man as far as exposure to **** is concerned.
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You know?
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Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah, Oh yeah, prybar, prybar.
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Really download.
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Oh dude, all day.
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My dad used to subscribe to some filthy **** so hey, I respect his willingness to think outside the box, but I kind of created my own box.
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You didn't, he didn't.
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He didn't find it in the Woods or the swamp like almost every kid our age, so.
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I did that too.
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OK.
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Dude looks I gotta taste.
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Yeah again, never done anything criminal or anything.
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Your father son weekend go find the floor and son.
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Did you ever find it?
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No, I never found it in the Woods, but I.
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Mean there's always like I'd say like half the guys I know that are about our age.
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They all have that same story of like yeah, there's some homeless guy in the Woods that had all this **** out there.
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There's like some kind of Horn Leprechaun that goes around is leaving it for the kids so it's like.
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Well, sure, homeless technology.
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I put on.
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Reading war and peace out there.
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Or have a place to put.
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It right, I mean at my house.
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Oh yeah, he didn't go to IKEA, yeah?
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A storage facility.
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I mean, different people need different settings for ************ so some people like wooded area.
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Nature well in back in the day we were all analog were all you know all the magazines and.
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Sure yeah.
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Whatnot for shows and I I my dad had a huge stash of Penthouse, which he very strategically and parentale. Located in the bathroom. So I would basically go **** in my dad's bathroom for.
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Wow.
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Five hours and just go through those penthouse and then he found out I was doing that.
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He moved him out of his bathroom into like a chest in the same room.
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So it took me like 35 seconds to find the chest and then I was spending five hours near the chest. So back to so yes, MDMA assisted therapy. It's it's her basically sitting there kind of babysitting me with a strategic playlist to kind of follow the waves and you know highs and lows of the experience. So you.
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Right right.
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Basically, create a really comfortable setting I'm just laying on my back with pillows and stuff.
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She was there monitoring an the music and the medison just kind of took hold.
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And I notice it was much more of a physical experience like there were some things that came to me, some people.
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That I really cared about that I hadn't spoken to in awhile and some things about my relationship with my wife that popped up.
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'cause that's where I was trying to steer it initially.
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But physically, it was where I feel like I got the most benefit.
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Like afterwards my shoulder and other things that were really tense and painful going in.
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Just feel felt a lot more at ease and there was just some sort of connection there with.
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Some of the psychology that that came into play.
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I can't necessarily.
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I can't articulate it, but it was there.
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Yeah.
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There was a connection between the two.
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Oh, that's really interesting I mean?
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Yeah.
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That's one of those things hard hard to prove.
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Yeah, you know you store tension in your shoulder or whatever.
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But like everybody agrees.
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You know it's like oh that that helped that helped I feel looser.
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If you I mean, you're breaking absolutely just cause you to tense up all the time resting bitchface.
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I don't have to have that, but I do because apparently I'm the resting ***** you know like.
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It's just there.
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Well, how about this?
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No.
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The the happiest people like happy successful people.
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You know they don't really ever complain about any any back pain or like any of that **** right?
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So.
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So there's gotta be a tie look, maybe well.
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I'm turned out that.
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That's a bit broad.
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I complain like a ************
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How do you say in my in my in my in my kind of lifetime this is the like successful positive people.
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I know they don't really go around.
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You know, going to.
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Like they don't have that nagging, yeah?
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It'll pitch like I do about everything.
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But I'm saying like they're not, they're not.
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The old older guys that complain about.
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Their back, they might have it, but I think.
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Because, you know, well also that place it.
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Also plays into the fact that once.
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You kind of get to a happy place once you get to, you know, a place where you really understand your mind and body more you want to play the victim.
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You know whenever you complain about **** you're playing the victim, so you know that does nobody any good.
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I love that he.
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Nobody wants to hear it.
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Wants to hear it when?
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When?
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I was younger.
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I thrived on soliciting sympathy like that was my go to move.
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I was so ******* good at it like I could solicit sympathy from anybody anywhere.
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Anytime for as long as I wanted, so I know how that works.
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But once you realize that the victim role is ******** sorry you use that terminology, there's no reason to to play that role.
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I feel sorry for you right now.
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Yeah.
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No, it's going backwards.
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It's regressing, it works.
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******** is an actual word, you know.
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Yeah, I'll be.
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I'll be your social attorney on that.
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Yeah, it is one.
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Thank you, I needed validation.
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Well it's one of those things where I.
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There is got to be a connection.
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I mean we talk about placebo effect a lot.
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Eric and I and how it can affect you.
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Yeah.
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And if it works for you, it works for you.
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I don't think most chiropractors are worth a **** but.
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I have one that I go to once a month and he does his little adjustments which are good but it's.
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'cause it looks.
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Like that once there's not doctors, so you know.
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So I'm saying, like.
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The thing the placebo effect can work.
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Aren't you kind of all in?
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Are you know on the chiropractors?
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I mean how?
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How is that?
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Is that it works for me good one.
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Is that?
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Some of them really care about doing it and like really, do you give a **** about the patient?
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Yeah.
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A lot of them just want to hammer with chat service and sure.
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Oh, and for you, that's the mechanism of this is working.
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Well, some some.
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Are just leveraging insurance.
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Mine is good.
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Right, there's a lot of dirty ones out there.
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I go once a month.
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It's legit.
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I call him doctor but we can move.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they partner up with a personal injury attorney that'll.
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Be boom, what's up?
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Yeah, one hand washes the other for sure.
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So wait for the MDMA therapy is it is the person in the room with you?
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Yeah.
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Are they doing anything but reacting to you and your what you're going through?
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Or they have any sort of agenda that they're doing anything?
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So yeah, they're they're there to establish the setting, right, so?
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When we talk about the psychedelic sentence setting or the two paramount facets right, your mindset and your.
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Settings so she can't control my mindset.
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That's all me.
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I have to make sure that everything is clear and I have a direction and intention.
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All that stuff going in.
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But she is responsible for the setting.
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So physically every sense, all that is all those are portions of the setting, and so she's essentially playing conductor for that Symphony of.
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Of elements, so while I'm there, the mindset and the drug are going to work together and as long as the setting isn't compromising or threatening then everything can go to work.
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If the setting creates a problem then everything gets.
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True.
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Yeah, I'm a big I yeah.
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That's her job is listening.
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I'm a big advocate of that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, in theory, like if you're really trying to work on yourself, you know you can't.
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Oh, it's the most most important thing.
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Can't be at a, you know a concert.
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Thank you good.
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You could, yeah, that's not where the therapy is going to happen for sure.
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Right, I mean not deep anything.
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It's like oh that I needed that fun night.
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But realistically, that goes away.
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Differences between that and like psilocybin.
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So there.
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If your Molly has a lot of like the next day, you don't have like a lot of serotonin or dopamine or something like that, so you're kind of.
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Just not right.
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Yeah, there's a lot of opposites temperature.
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Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm glad you asked that so.
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MDMA, well and very humble.
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Look at hers.
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So the yeah the MDMA the way that my my therapist describes it, it's more of a benevolent drug, right?
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So psilocybin is going to kind of dig down deep and rips it out and you have to deal with it and you're kind of stuck there.
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MDMA is going to kind of.
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Tiptoe around it gently approach it, not slap you in the face.
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Not really scared the **** out of you, but maybe gently massage certain things in a certain direction and the physical element is very profound, right?
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So you know tingling and just kind of like a symbiotic relationship between your mind and body during the experience.
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But with psilocybin I mean.
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You're going to deal with whatever comes up, right?
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So if you have a mindset, that is, if you have a good mindset.
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If you're safe, have a good setting, then your mind goes to work right and now it starts digging up things and it feels comfortable to actually dig deep and explore the depths of your mind.
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But if those settings setting are right, psilocybin can just be like.
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A great way also to experience the botanical gardens or camping or something like that, but if set and setting are perfect and you really kind of settle into that to that sort of combination, that's when the medicine goes to work.
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And that's when I have my most profound experiences, for sure.
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I don't know if I answered the question, but hopefully.
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I don't remember the question.
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The difference between the two experiences.
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Yeah, yeah, I just hear it like.
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Who was psilocybin?
00:17:20
I don't hear much the next day of people like they actually feel a lot.
00:17:23
Oh yeah, so MDMA.
00:17:23
Better, Oh yeah, see if you May is like.
00:17:25
So there's five HTP 5 HTP is used to replenish some of the serotonin after the MDMA experience, but you don't need that after the psilocybin.
00:17:34
Quite as.
00:17:35
Oh, so you supplement it.
00:17:35
Well, the psilocybin produces serotonin and repairs those receptors I think.
00:17:41
Well, it's a drain like you know how you feel completely drained the next day.
00:17:44
If you do a heavy dose of psilocybin or the heavy dose of MDMA, it feels like your mind and body have just been expended like you've been exhausted of your resources.
00:17:54
So it's the serotonin level being exhausted, you're just using.
00:17:57
A lot of it in your body is needs to replenish that which will happen overtime.
00:18:02
But the five HTP kind of accelerates that, and specially for MDMA gives it back to you right away.
00:18:09
So you take that supplementally after.
00:18:09
Yeah.
00:18:10
Experience.
00:18:11
Really OK, could you take 5 HTP like?
00:18:11
Yeah.
00:18:16
Boozing or doing.
00:18:18
Yeah go and ski going skiing.
00:18:21
It's used for sleep.
00:18:23
Help really, yeah.
00:18:25
Yeah, and if you dopamines going off the charts, you know and you feel like you're depleted.
00:18:30
I don't see why it wouldn't be a bad idea.
00:18:31
I just know from DMA that it really drains.
00:18:35
You know, it's very heavy, so to just be without for several days, it's easier to throw some 5 HTP in there, and kind of reply or something.
00:18:43
Yeah, my my friends that do it regularly they they'll compare it to like doing a lot of blow one night or something and feel like drained the next day emotionally almost.
00:18:52
Yeah, I mean.
00:18:52
00:18:53
Yeah, anytime you have that high right, you know, I feel.
00:18:53
I mean.
00:18:55
Great and then it's gonna come back around.
00:18:56
I feel it.
00:18:57
Yeah, the body the body equalizes.
00:18:59
Yeah yeah right natural way to do that.
00:18:59
It's the amphetamines it's the amphetamines too.
00:19:03
But I mean anytime you're really going to drain anytime you have an amazing.
00:19:06
Since you're kind of drained afterwards, right?
00:19:08
Like if you have an awesome climax, you know during *** I say the word climax.
00:19:09
Right?
00:19:14
If you come during *** like afterwards, you're drained, right?
00:19:17
Hum is better, yeah?
00:19:18
It is better.
00:19:18
Come is grosser, but it was better than climb.
00:19:20
But somehow I'm actually was disgusting.
00:19:20
Yeah, if you.
00:19:22
Yeah, if you run third of a Boo cocky, I mean you will essentially be drained of your certs.
00:19:28
1.
00:19:28
Oh man, I wish I could do that now.
00:19:29
Did.
00:19:29
00:19:30
I can't be around.
00:19:31
Anybody else yeah?
00:19:33
So I've probably alienated some listeners with my my expression of vulgar **** But hey, that's who I am, man, that's that's what's done.
00:19:38
Dot com.
00:19:40
Innovation always always occurs.
00:19:40
This whole conversation.
00:19:41
Also listens will share this well my listener.
00:19:42
Not only.
00:19:42
Fine.
00:19:44
Subbu cocky, they're like yeah finally.
00:19:47
My listeners.
00:19:47
We could do the real business talk.
00:19:49
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:49
Well.
00:19:49
00:19:50
We will find out who my real listeners are after this one for sure.
00:19:54
Well, this exists because real conversations don't really happen, so you know the reason podcasts are interesting is.
00:19:54
Oh yeah.
00:20:01
'cause we're not really having, even if it's blue discourse you know, or crass discourse or whatever.
00:20:09
Yeah.
00:20:10
At least you know that it exists somewhere where a lot of people don't have it normally.
00:20:16
I'm not real until you regret it a little bit.
00:20:19
Dude, yeah I become so like.
00:20:22
OK, with telling people whatever man, I really don't care anymore.
00:20:25
It's I've dissolved my ego to the point where I couldn't care less.
00:20:29
Yeah.
00:20:29
00:20:29
Yeah, it's allowed me to do jujitsu like I did jujitsu awhile back and my ego got in the way.
00:20:34
Man, I'd be getting tapped out by a little kids and people that wait half my size and.
00:20:39
It's just my ego wouldn't allow me to continue with that, but I have no ego anymore so I can just do all this stuff and not have my feelings hurt.
00:20:45
If it doesn't pan out, I don't really care.
00:20:47
Any athletic endeavor is is going to.
00:20:50
It's gonna bring it down a notch and it's like I hate jogging.
00:20:54
I'll go for a jog and I know I know I know I should do it more regularly because it's not a runners high.
00:20:59
It's just that thing.
00:21:00
You just go.
00:21:01
This is so painful, this *****
00:21:03
But afterwards.
00:21:03
00:21:03
But I know.
00:21:04
Afterwards.
00:21:05
It's good to do something for 10 minutes a day, whatever that physical.
00:21:08
If it is, that hurts, yeah, you know.
00:21:11
Yeah.
00:21:12
No.
00:21:12
Well, plus I mean for me I'm 43. I'm gonna be 44 this year and so starting a new whole new sport with limited skills. I mean it's tough right? So I mean my age and my body and all that stuff gets in the way. But you know, just not having the ego allows me to push through.
00:21:26
Wait.
00:21:29
The last would have a longer.
00:21:31
In Denver.
00:21:32
Since 2017.
00:21:34
So a lot of stuff since you moved out there you're like I'm starting a whole new life.
00:21:38
Uh, call these Florida guys.
00:21:39
I'm gonna get into psilocybin Brazilian jujitsu.
00:21:43
It's cool that you're finding these things at the age where most people would be like.
00:21:48
**** it, yeah.
00:21:48
**** it.
00:21:49
Yeah, yeah, I blocked him.
00:21:49
Bro Austin, I'll tell you what though.
00:21:51
No sense but it it's contagious.
00:21:53
It's like I, I remind myself of that.
00:21:55
If my hands and feet weren't so sweaty, I might try jujitsu.
00:21:58
But I feel like it would just be so gross.
00:22:01
Yeah, I mean the sweat factor you start sweating 5 seconds into being on the mat anyway, so your sweaty issue is a non issue.
00:22:01
So.
00:22:07
They move on to the next excuse.
00:22:07
But if it's not work gloves and socks, they'd be like no one would buy.
00:22:11
About yeah, you'd have to ditch.
00:22:11
Mount buddy everybody immediately.
00:22:14
In yoga they they get mad 'cause I have to wear like I wear those like.
00:22:20
In this New Balance, shoes that are really thin, but I'm like you don't want me to not if I'm just in socks off.
00:22:23
Jesus.
00:22:26
I can slip around, that's how.
00:22:27
Gross I am, you know what you've got to come up with it.
00:22:30
There's there's yoga towels that you can put over your mat to mitigate some of the extra sweat.
00:22:34
Oh alright, so you there.
00:22:34
Oh so you there?
00:22:35
Alright, we'll have to talk offline.
00:22:36
Foot, I'll slip right.
00:22:37
Yeah.
00:22:40
You ever see me in flip flops ever?
00:22:42
These are some awful excuses I have to admit.
00:22:44
These are terrible excuses.
00:22:45
Long let you talk to any yoga instructor and they're shutting these down with rebuttal after rebuttal.
00:22:45
This is a bad excuse.
00:22:51
After objective rebuttal.
00:22:53
What my aunts do.
00:22:54
Sweaty white.
00:22:56
Alright, so I don't give a **** I think I'm so open man like if I did went back into stand up I would have a much easier time now like the anxiety is dissipated.
00:23:04
Oh yeah.
00:23:06
I've I've come to a really good place that's why I can't stop talking **** about mushrooms.
00:23:09
It's changed my life.
00:23:11
Well, I think.
00:23:12
I I think it's cool you're getting this this podcast going in the same way 'cause?
00:23:17
I think it's tough to not do stand up after doing it, loving it, but at the same time it's like it's a slog and it when you're having a kid look like you're about to.
00:23:20
I know man.
00:23:26
Yeah, that's it gets a lot tougher to just 'cause you get this guilt about not getting up.
00:23:31
Not getting up, but at least you have this creative Ave like this to get it out.
00:23:38
Oh yeah, do before I stopped doing stand up like before I moved out out to Denver.
00:23:43
I hated myself so much and I couldn't even listen to anything coming out of my mouth without physically getting nauseous.
00:23:49
It was more excruciating to do standup than to not so I was like **** this.
00:23:53
This is just painful so I stopped.
00:23:55
That's good self-awareness.
00:23:57
I mean for I mean.
00:23:57
Probably not.
00:23:57
00:23:58
Not gonna torture myself.
00:24:00
Yeah, exactly like.
00:24:00
Yes, its feet in your head so much that you gotta get up.
00:24:03
You gotta get up every day, every day, every night it becomes like Stockholm syndrome.
00:24:06
Yeah.
00:24:07
You have to do it.
00:24:08
Which is fine because it it's good 'cause there's no real like no ones really going to pull you up and stand up aren't you wanna do so?
00:24:13
No, it's all you man the one man show.
00:24:16
It's kind of good that.
00:24:16
Kind of good that there is that kind of toughness about it where everybody kind of like one of the few things all comedians agree on, like you have to get up, you have to do reps and you're kind of thrown if you're not.
00:24:25
Jiu Jitsu is the same way man yeah.
00:24:27
But at the same time you know it's I'm just saying Mazal tov to you.
00:24:32
Two or the hiim that whole limes.
00:24:34
Cheers you're you know you're getting this podcast out.
00:24:38
That's a creative thing.
00:24:39
You're doing.
00:24:39
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu later in life which a lot of people wouldn't do.
00:24:43
'cause the ego and then you know you're really looking in in this like.
00:24:44
Yeah.
00:24:48
Call it alternative therapy for lack of a better term, but you're really kind of doing this in a very measured calculated way, not just going over to go do all screen.
00:24:58
So it's like you're really every time I talk to you like really researching everything before.
00:25:02
Yeah, well, it's my agreement with my wife, you know, like unfortunately shrooms.
00:25:03
You do it.
00:25:08
They have a connotation that it's drugs and it's only for enjoy.
00:25:12
So my agreement with her is I have to treat this stuff.
00:25:15
Therapeutically I can't treat it frivolously.
00:25:18
I can't, you know me going to Meow Wolf is a special case like this stuff is for me to use therapeutical, so that's my agreement with her.
00:25:24
She can't do **** right now that she's pregnant, so if I'm going to do this stuff in like have any kind of fun, it needs to boil down and resolve to something that's positive.
00:25:32
So that's that's my agreement with her and that's that's why I can do this stuff.
00:25:36
And not have her be like your ******* druggie psychonaut weirdo.
00:25:40
And she's cool as **** because you know what pregnant women hate when their husbands *******
00:25:45
Do anything.
00:25:46
We didn't waste it.
00:25:46
We didn't waste.
00:25:47
In any way or having any joy really both.
00:25:51
You guys have two kids, just so my listeners know.
00:25:53
You're not £40 overweight to ****
00:25:55
You buddy right **** you.
00:25:55
You buddy right ****
00:25:57
Are you going to take the weekend off?
00:25:59
**** that should be my Uber eats driver.
00:26:00
Should be.
00:26:00
00:26:02
Right?
00:26:03
Yeah, so both.
00:26:04
You guys are divorced is it?
00:26:05
Is that the camera?
00:26:07
Hi I'm getting there.
00:26:07
I'm getting there, yeah?
00:26:07
00:26:08
Yeah.
00:26:09
I've got I got about two months till the.
00:26:11
Trial baby, but that that's
00:26:12
Oh
00:26:13
Any any anybody having a kid like every every wife hates Amit there most of them.
00:26:18
Yeah, those married men that get that joke.
00:26:19
Are not that cool.
00:26:21
Dude, yeah I.
00:26:23
Can't say how it's going to be after a kid, but all I can tell you man is.
00:26:27
I have definitely.
00:26:27
00:26:27
I have definitely got to the point where I'm ready like I'm, you know, I'm in my 40s now and I'm like I'm ready.
00:26:32
But if it were 15 years ago, no way.
00:26:35
Absolutely no way.
00:26:36
She's one of the 30 Bucks fans.
00:26:38
That's a real Bucs fan, Buccaneers fans.
00:26:42
And now a mushroom cultivation update with the Prodigy Andrew.
00:26:47
I was voted Mr Fungus.
00:26:49
This guy knows fungus.
00:26:53
Yeah.
00:26:53
00:26:53
Yeah, Jackie's humble too. I mean she's walked through every step of the process. We've had her inoculate and then spawn default like she's done everything harvesting. So it's like, yeah, she's pretty familiar with all the ends and.
00:27:04
Outs inside.
00:27:04
Fantastic.
00:27:05
Yeah the lingo too.
00:27:06
I've caught on.
00:27:07
OK, but I won't try.
00:27:08
Yeah.
00:27:09
To slide anything by then at this point.
00:27:12
So I wanted to ask you guys based on what I've seen on Instagram and just kind of like through the Grapevine.
00:27:18
I mean you guys are doing some damage like some awesome getting great harvest.
00:27:22
I'm curious like what type of strains you're working with, an what the growth process has been.
00:27:26
Especially for the albinos.
00:27:28
So I guess starting with the sports, that's kind of like I got all my genetics from quality scores and I had never really found much about them online and whether or not that's good.
00:27:38
So like they're working starting out the B Plus was was great.
00:27:39
OK.
00:27:43
I mean those girls like field.
00:27:44
Yeah, a lot of them are small and like.
00:27:48
It takes until the second or third flush until you get substantial size.
00:27:53
The Fiji Island that I grew is insane.
00:27:55
I only had the one tub.
00:27:57
I don't have any other mycelium left from it, so no clones or anything but that one.
00:28:01
Yeah.
00:28:03
I need to replicate.
00:28:04
It was an absolute forest.
00:28:06
And then I'm not sure how you say it, but the KOA, some movie super strain.
00:28:06
And.
00:28:06
00:28:12
It's one of those albino ones.
00:28:14
Or yeah.
00:28:14
It's a really interesting look.
00:28:15
See you're ahead of me.
00:28:16
I don't even know what.
00:28:17
That so you need Rodney.
00:28:18
I don't know either man.
00:28:19
I just.
00:28:20
Inoculate and that's about it.
00:28:23
I'm trying to think.
00:28:24
We had a few others.
00:28:26
Oh yeah, we're getting into some work more advanced than PE.
00:28:30
Nice.
00:28:31
So yeah, those are about 7585% colonizing the jars, so I'm hoping in the next week those are going to move over and I'm really excited about those.
00:28:39
Dude, I'm really excited as well now the fact they will colonize quickly but just be super patient when they're fruiting.
00:28:46
It just took forever.
00:28:47
I might have done something wrong, but just don't give up on it.
00:28:50
You might see like.
00:28:51
I'm curious if yours have like little clusters of Brown like mulch.
00:28:55
It looks like they just pop up out of mycelium.
00:28:57
I have no idea what that is.
00:28:59
But just just last through all that what looks to be like dead mycelium.
00:29:04
It will eventually sprout some mushrooms.
00:29:05
Hey.
00:29:05
It may take a little extra time, but it's worth the wait for sure.
00:29:09
Yeah, yeah, I've never tried to me either.
00:29:11
So like I'm really looking forward to that.
00:29:12
Part of it and definitely take some baby steps based on what Felix?
00:29:14
Heck yeah.
00:29:14
00:29:15
Is told me about the.
00:29:16
Dose but other than that I like.
00:29:19
I think we've talked about.
00:29:20
I do a lot of tinkering so I'd like to do the small bins like that kind of helps me explore a little bit more without ruining a full sized tub and not help.
00:29:27
So what what size when you say small like what size compared to the large?
00:29:30
Oh yeah.
00:29:32
I guess they're usually between 20 and 30 liters or quarts, depending on like what brand you're buying and I've done.
00:29:38
OK.
00:29:39
The Shoebox before like as you have you seen?
00:29:41
What I gave to Felix and like that's a pretty cool way to do it for people who are really tight on space and I've sent you some videos online.
00:29:42
Yeah.
00:29:48
Some some people have found a way to make those things really produce so like that works too.
00:29:52
For those tight on space and.
00:29:53
Very cool.
00:29:54
Take the the bag step is up next, the one that you've got going where that's the real good safe spacer.
00:29:59
Yeah, I've had I've had good success with the easy strains for the bags.
00:30:02
You know, the pluses and the Golden teachers, but.
00:30:05
I have had a little bit of like quirky results with some of the other ones, so I need to do my own tinkering and figure out exactly like how that's supposed to work, but it works for those trains.
00:30:13
No problem, just keep it moist.
00:30:16
Do I know what the bag business?
00:30:18
I'm not sure.
00:30:19
So alright, so.
00:30:19
I don't think she does.
00:30:21
The they make these grow bags are like 3 or £5 grow bags and they're made out of some sort of plastic that's resilient to heat, so you can put it in the pressure cooker and it has a filter Patch so the filter Patch you know. That's kind of like your polyfill that's built into the bag for the Air Exchange, an essentially.
00:30:39
You you.
00:30:41
You treat the bag.
00:30:42
You prepare the bag in the sterilizer the same way you would the grain jars.
00:30:46
It's just these guys you can actually fruit inside the bag as well so you can.
00:30:51
Oh
00:30:52
Actually you can create all the mycelium in your bag.
00:30:54
You can treat it just like a jar or you can put.
00:30:57
You can take the mycelium from the jar.
00:30:59
Take some casing Coco choir.
00:31:02
Vermiculite, gypsum, coffee, water.
00:31:05
Take that that casing and you can mix it with the spawn and actually grow it in the back.
00:31:11
So you put a certain amount in the base of the bag and then you missed all around it like you would have on a tub and you kind of clipped the top and allow for a little bit of fresh air exchange through the Patch.
00:31:22
And as long as you keep it moist on a regular basis, it's just like a mini monotone.
00:31:26
Oh wow, that's that's cool.
00:31:27
Yeah, I put.
00:31:29
Yeah, that one.
00:31:29
I put duct tape.
00:31:30
I put duct tape around the bottom, obviously to people I put the light out so it only came through the top and they grew really really tall through the back so you don't get multiple hard.
00:31:37
Me too.
00:31:37
00:31:39
And you're not going to get a **** ton of mushrooms 'cause it's a small footprint, but they grow really tall so that when you see on line, those guys boasting about their super tall mushrooms, it's definitely something that grew in the back.
00:31:51
That makes a lot more sense, yeah?
00:31:53
Yeah yeah, I've seen people doing this.
00:31:54
There's so long, like longer than your hand almost on your forearm and I'm.
00:31:56
Yeah.
00:31:58
Like how are you getting those eyes?
00:31:59
The only other time I've seen that is when they like wrap around the tub so like they'll grow on the underside of your mycelium brick and like wrap around and pop up.
00:32:07
Those tend to be longer, but you kind of have to have to **** ** the process to get long mushrooms in the tub, but in the bag it's just like par for the course.
00:32:14
It's.
00:32:14
00:32:17
Oh
00:32:17
Yeah, so you've been using popcorn a lot, right?
00:32:21
Like for your brain.
00:32:22
Yeah, I've been using yeah popcorn and ride is about 5050. I haven't really noticed a difference to be honest. Like as far as what it produces fruit wise, I do notice that the popcorn. Kind of.
00:32:30
OK.
00:32:33
Colonize it pretty quickly in the jars.
00:32:36
Nice so more more quickly than the Rye.
00:32:38
Yep, that's what I've noticed.
00:32:40
But you know, then you do have a little bit more of a clumpy bulk substrate 'cause you have those popcorn kernels in there versus Rye, where it all kind of blends in a little bit more.
00:32:47
Sure.
00:32:48
But yeah, I've noticed a big difference.
00:32:50
What the cost?
00:32:51
The price point between the two.
00:32:53
Isn't popcorn less expensive?
00:32:54
Yeah, I think popcorn is less expensive and the other thing I I don't think I've lost more than one or two jars of popcorn.
00:33:01
That's good.
00:33:01
Like I, I don't know if there's science behind that, or if it's more resistant to contamination or not, but like.
00:33:06
That's just been my experience with it so.
00:33:10
OK, yeah, I wonder if the fact that their larger kernels maybe somehow mitigate some of the potential contamination.
00:33:17
I'm not sure, but that's good to know if it's less expensive and more fruitful **** I mean, that sounds like a no brainer.
00:33:23
Right, yeah?
00:33:23
Right?
00:33:24
Yeah, cool.
00:33:25
So you've been growing Fiji and you said was there a cross train that you were working with or we?
00:33:31
Oh yeah, that was the most recent.
00:33:33
Yeah, white teacher.
00:33:34
White teacher.
00:33:35
So that ones, yeah, it's cool.
00:33:37
It's a.
00:33:37
It's a mix of ape so albino ***** envy an Golden teacher so.
00:33:42
Variance?
00:33:43
I've got fruits, they just came out of.
00:33:45
The dehydrator meant they.
00:33:46
Range from all shapes and sizes from the lobby, ape looking ones all the way up to like the really long and skinny Golden teachers so I'm super excited to see what that potency levels like and everything.
00:33:57
'cause it's.
00:33:58
Heck yeah.
00:33:58
Kind of crapshoot.
00:33:59
Was there anything different about the albino strain like cultivation or anything different at all?
00:34:06
Not that I picked up on.
00:34:07
OK.
00:34:10
Yeah, and honestly I one question that I I've got for your work that we talked about a little bit when we last saw each other casing layers.
00:34:10
With you go ahead.
00:34:19
I still haven't used anything more than just like extra bulk substrate with the same, you know Coke or vermiculite gypsum.
00:34:27
Sometimes add some coffee.
00:34:28
Yeah, I just put like an extra thick layer on the top of.
00:34:31
It, but other than that.
00:34:32
I yeah, I don't put anything on top.
00:34:34
I mixed them together and I've done the layer.
00:34:38
I found that they kind of function the same way, but I don't put a layer on top, just 'cause I'm putting the aluminum foil or potentially wax paper or something on top to kind of seal it in, and I feel like that contains enough moisture or cultivates enough moisture to where you don't need that extra layer of Coco choir.
00:34:55
I think if you were to put it in there and not put like a cover over it.
00:34:57
That might be when you'd want to have the cocoa choir on top, because you need something to provide moisture 'cause it's not being trapped in with that cover.
00:35:06
That's my my non educated, my non degree educated perspective though.
00:35:06
That makes it yeah.
00:35:12
That makes a ton of sense, and I've that's the one thing I haven't tinkered with any further.
00:35:18
Like once you told me about the aluminum foil, I've just stuck to it because it works really well, like it's very clearly that it works well.
00:35:24
Yeah, 10 days and OK I have found if you wait a little too long I waited 14 days and it started to mold so that 10 days is a sweet.
00:35:26
And there's.
00:35:34
I played around with, I just wanted to see an I had Puerto Rican and it just mold it up and I got like one mushroom out of it.
00:35:34
Yeah.
00:35:39
I wanted to see if it would still fruit and it did but it was worthless.
00:35:42
So that may explain I had one big tub.
00:35:45
And it was.
00:35:45
Weird it did nothing. I think I might have kept it in too long because it was in there probably 1415, sixteen 70 days. And when I took it off it didn't smell that different than any of my others. I didn't see any contamination. I got like 1 inch of a ship room and it was super super skinny like a toothpick.
00:36:01
Weather
00:36:01
00:36:03
And then that was it.
00:36:04
Yeah, I think it overloads it with carbon dioxide or something.
00:36:08
There's something that's trapped there that's causing it to kind of stagnate.
00:36:11
I I want to ask Jackie, Chris is Chris.
00:36:14
His girlfriend wants to pick the shrooms like ** ***** hoping he's away so he can ask her to pick this.
00:36:19
Are you also doing it like to pick the mushrooms and kind?
00:36:22
Of do the harvest.
00:36:23
I do enjoy cooking em.
00:36:25
It's it's a fun like texture and just I don't know it just feels fun and you're sleeping you're.
00:36:33
Hard work or rewards, but
00:36:34
Right?
00:36:36
I usually let Andrew do most of it because he puts in all the work up front.
00:36:43
Word.
00:36:44
A good story about keeping an eye on him though.
00:36:46
When I'm gone and so yeah.
00:36:46
Yeah, I went through some babysitting.
00:36:49
All alone with them.
00:36:49
Nice.
00:36:50
But you don't want to.
00:36:51
Before we could do without.
00:36:51
You don't want to swoop in and take all the credit you know at the end of the month I got you.
00:36:56
Yeah, just my one tab that I did from inoculation to fruiting.
00:36:59
OK.
00:36:59
00:37:00
I love the I love the jargon, so you had the albino strain.
00:37:04
The white I'm so excited to look at and try the white teacher that sounds awesome.
00:37:08
Is there anything else like I wanted to make sure that you know I wanted to try to do a regular cultivation update with you 'cause you and Jackie you guys have figured it out and have had really good success so I feel like you're.
00:37:09
Yeah.
00:37:20
The best one to kind of guide new cultivators in how to approach it.
00:37:24
Any tips you want to share with the audience?
00:37:26
Like that you've learned recently that have led to your your big harvest?
00:37:30
That's a good question, so I think the first thing would be the spawn ratio, and at least that's that's my hunch that that has to be one of the biggest contributors is just I load mine respond.
00:37:44
Part of it's just like my space limitations, but also I have so much in my closet anyway, I'm like I'm gonna throw it in and just see what happens and I don't know how adding more spawns.
00:37:51
Sure.
00:37:54
Gonna hurt heard it really.
00:37:56
So yeah, that's worked out pretty well.
00:37:58
The other thing is, and we've talked about this a little bit, but when you're on line, you read some pretty passionate people about their opinions about the science.
00:38:07
And you gotta do it this way.
00:38:08
You have to do it this way.
00:38:10
And one thing I was just thinking, like trust your gut, you know, these things grow in the wild.
00:38:15
Not every day.
00:38:16
Is between 71 and 73 degrees in the right humidity like there's always going to be changes and stuff, so nature naturally tinkers. So kind of trust your gut and play with it a little bit and experiment and have some fun with it. Yeah, don't get like stressed out about any of the the the really strong opinions and if you mess something up like.
00:38:27
That's a good plan.
00:38:34
OK, just it's like jujitsu.
00:38:36
Either you you know it works out great are you learn and and honestly with cultivation you learn either way.
00:38:41
So I like that.
00:38:42
Yeah, cool.
00:38:42
00:38:45
Yeah, and then I think picking the easy strains to start with, like I I think I think it's pretty good success with that and it it just.
00:38:51
Makes it a little bit more of a easing process to step into where you don't have to kind of jump right in the deep end.
00:38:58
What are there any strains that you've had difficulty with?
00:39:03
So not necessarily difficulty my amazonienne it that one was tricky.
00:39:08
Yeah, a little bit.
00:39:09
Is it yes?
00:39:09
00:39:11
It's just Amazonian, at least that's the where I picked it up from quality scores.
00:39:12
OK.
00:39:15
Yeah, why was it tricky?
00:39:15
Yeah, why was it?
00:39:15
00:39:17
I think just the timing might have been off and who knows, maybe I did something different with my substrate depth and you know I have a hard time like nailing down exactly what it was with all the team Green.
00:39:27
But sure yeah, it's just getting like a good.
00:39:31
Large flush out of it.
00:39:32
It was way more just like scattered.
00:39:34
OK.
00:39:35
And how does your treasure?
00:39:37
Coast grow, by the way.
00:39:38
'cause that's been the one strain that like isn't.
00:39:41
Uh, a bunch of.
00:39:42
Little ones and kind of field of them, but rather 10 to 15.
00:39:45
Like really long and heavy guys.
00:39:47
Yeah, they're they're long for sure.
00:39:49
I had one Treasure Coast flush in a bag and they were especially long, but even the ones in my mono tab were super long, super long and thin.
00:39:58
Definitely not like the girthy be plus cheap Golden teacher like second flush like those are really girthy now.
00:40:04
The the Treasure Coast were never girthy was just tall and.
00:40:09
Yeah.
00:40:10
Yeah, and I think just last reflection on your question of like tips for new growers.
00:40:15
My other thought would just be like you can kind of make a setup work, whatever your conditions are, right?
00:40:20
Like even if it's just the shoebox tech like all you need for that is space for two or three jars in a shoebox size container.
00:40:28
You know you can try the broke boy tech.
00:40:30
You know using the Uncle Bens Rice or like there's so many ways online that people found a way to make it work.
00:40:32
Right?
00:40:36
Like, why not give it a shot, you know and then kind of like tiptoe into the game and learn a little bit and you can see with people like Felix how it's it's kind of taking hold.
00:40:44
And now he's super into it and hopefully he gets a good setup going and everything else.
00:40:48
Yeah, yeah, to be able to grow it, use it and all that without any help or having to go to a Chipotle parking lot and meet somebody and you know.
00:40:56
You're getting cool.
00:40:57
And also the other like interesting thing you probably picked up on it the way we interacted recently on Instagram, like the Community of people out.
00:41:04
There are actually pretty tight knit like.
00:41:06
I reach out to people all the time and just ask, OK where did you get that or how did you do that?
00:41:11
What did you use in your in your substrate?
00:41:14
And people are pretty forthcoming and very happy to share that stuff.
00:41:17
I mean why else do they create their accounts to share it publicly and so kind of take advantage of some of those resources?
00:41:22
Pick their brains a little bit and there's other people out there that do sell.
00:41:27
Ogger plates with their own genetics and some of them have isolated him.
00:41:30
You know multiple times over again, it's like, hey, I might try that next.
00:41:34
So after this maybe I can recommend some of those guys.
00:41:34
Yeah.
00:41:37
Yeah, I'll have to show you how to make some agurto so you'll have both.
00:41:40
Is available very cool, so clarity spores check him out if you're in one of the states that doesn't prove it, I apologize.
00:41:46
Hopefully it's coming.
00:41:47
We have a liberal administration now so maybe they pave the way for some more progress, but Andrew, Jackie thanks so much.
00:41:54
I really appreciate you guys being on and giving us all an update.
00:41:56
Anything you want to leave the audience with.
00:41:58
The capsules that you've been creating.
00:42:01
Oh yes, only like kind of update.
00:42:03
So yeah, I think I shared that with you privately.
00:42:05
David.
00:42:06
Like I'm making like vitamin capsules.
00:42:09
We've tested them out and they do work so you can fill in with powdered mushrooms and.
00:42:13
OK.
00:42:15
How much can you get in one capsule?
00:42:16
Yeah, we've got.
00:42:18
I have the size 00.
00:42:20
And you can fit about 1/3 of a gram a little bit less, and they I think they might make a size bigger. So yeah, I mean some people have said half a gram. Yeah, so the Max you can get.
00:42:22
OK.
00:42:26
OK, but
00:42:26
00:42:32
Well, I'll have to give you guys Jill's chocolate recipe. She wants you to have that recipe because she can't consume them. So obviously she wants everybody to enjoy her recipe.
00:42:36
Yes, yes.
00:42:43
I got under a cookbook cooking with, so like all sorts of.
00:42:49
Different stuff, but we definitely are more into that dessert.
00:42:53
Often, and Jackie.
00:42:53
Awesome awesome.
00:42:54
Loves coffee, so I think.
00:42:55
Yeah, so I wanted coffee.
00:42:56
That the latest batch is.
00:42:58
Right up her alley.
00:42:59
Awesome, well thanks for yeah.
00:42:59
But look at it.
00:43:01
Thanks for being here and I'm going to hit you up regularly because I think this is fun and you guys are fun to talk to.
00:43:06
So thanks again.
00:43:07
Always happy to talk to him as my friend.
00:43:09
Alright guys, have a good night, I'll talk to you later.
00:43:12
Much love.
00:43:12
Alright, see you.
00:43:14
And now it's time for some education as my lovely wife Jill joins us to talk about mushrooms and health.
00:43:21
You want my wisdom.
00:43:23
Very wise woman.
00:43:26
Thank you again for being in the MUstaSH ROOM, Jill. You are currently 28 1/2 weeks pregnant.
00:43:34
200 days pregnant also.
00:43:36
You know what I can't?
00:43:37
I don't have that sort of mathematical mind where I can make the convergence OK?
00:43:39
Do I have an app that tells me?
00:43:43
Well, that's a lot though.
00:43:43
8080 days to go.
00:43:45
I'm really excited about today's mushroom because I had never heard of it.
00:43:49
We just learned how to pronounce it some of the health effects are pretty awesome and I'm really I'm really excited to hear about it, so tell us.
00:43:54
Yeah, this was pretty cool.
00:43:57
Yeah, so thanks to you for bringing it to my attention.
00:44:01
I'm patting myself on the back against here.
00:44:03
But yeah, that ramella mushroom is the topic today, and it is also known as the beauty mushroom which everyone can get behind.
00:44:06
Ehm
00:44:14
Find.
00:44:14
00:44:14
Oh.
00:44:14
Yeah, well I can.
00:44:15
I can see some beauty right now trying to score some points if I can.
00:44:16
Oh, same thing.
00:44:19
Yeah.
00:44:19
Yeah, you know, who doesn't want to be beautiful?
00:44:20
Thank you.
00:44:24
Agreed.
00:44:26
Male, female, you know whoever young old.
00:44:30
I mean everyone.
00:44:30
You know one would love to choose that if they could.
00:44:33
Yeah, some people think they're a little more beautiful than they actually are, but it's good to feel beautiful.
00:44:37
Yeah, even if it's on the inside.
00:44:39
That's true.
00:44:41
So this one has been labeled as the ultimate beauty mushroom.
00:44:46
It's got significant anti-aging benefits, which is something a little bit different than just overall health.
00:44:51
Oh
00:44:51
00:44:55
It definitely has some health aspects as well.
00:44:57
So I wouldn't have to buy my normal serum for the anti aging qualities.
00:45:01
So something I did not get to is how we use that ramella mushrooms and maybe you can help me with that.
00:45:09
I'm I'm almost wondering if it's an extract that you would put on your skin.
00:45:12
Well it's yeah they mentioned that it has its own kind of hydration system.
00:45:18
That's it's its core functionality.
00:45:19
Yeah.
00:45:21
Or it behaves that way.
00:45:23
I didn't look to see like how they manufacture it, so I don't know if they grind it up or they put it in some sort of topical thing, but we'll have to get back to the listening audience with some.
00:45:23
Yeah.
00:45:32
Feedback after we do some more research.
00:45:34
Yeah, I feel like we keep saying that I never come back.
00:45:36
You know I can do it.
00:45:37
I'll do some live research right now.
00:45:38
Yeah.
00:45:39
While you're talking about that will multi task for the listening audience, which I hope is that.
00:45:43
Yes.
00:45:43
Yeah, so this mushroom is is pretty prevalent over in Asia, Japan.
00:45:49
You know China over in those areas.
00:45:54
It's also known as the snow fungus and I will say what's really interesting in and just really with mushrooms in general are.
00:46:03
They come in literally all shapes, sizes, densities.
00:46:07
Colors, I mean you name it and if you were to Google Tremellius OT REMELLA it is in the Jelly function family which who knew that they were even. I mean, we knew that their species and you know categories of mushrooms, but I've never heard of the fungus in family.
00:46:18
Who?
00:46:18
00:46:27
That's Jelly the Jelly Funkin family.
00:46:29
Now are we talking about like the footwear from the 90s, is that?
00:46:32
It's yeah, I mean no, let me know.
00:46:35
No, no OK, we're talking about the like a jellyfish.
00:46:37
Like a jellyfish that this mushroom resemble.
00:46:38
That's really cool.
00:46:41
It's translucent an it literally could be a jellyfish, you know, just floating in the sea.
00:46:47
Very cool.
00:46:47
00:46:47
Very cool, yeah?
00:46:48
So like cross species, if you will cross like yeah and.
00:46:52
Yeah, it almost looks like taxonomies like.
00:46:55
Like shaved skin, that's kind of cauliflower.
00:47:00
Look at the shape of cauliflower, but made with like.
00:47:04
Shaved skin I don't know.
00:47:06
I think people just need to Google it.
00:47:08
So just Google this mushroom.
00:47:09
Get a look at it because it's it's really unlike anything that you would find traditionally.
00:47:16
Well, I have a little.
00:47:17
I have a little update here.
00:47:18
OK.
00:47:18
It says an this was just a cursory Google search.
00:47:22
True, mellow mushrooms are often found dried and when soaked in rehydrated they return to almost the same texture and consistency as the fresh mushroom dried tomato mushrooms will last for several months when stored in the freezer, perfect.
00:47:24
OK.
00:47:26
Ah.
00:47:34
Perfect.
00:47:34
00:47:36
So I would assume that you can just eat it after it's rehydrated, or you could probably use the extracts as well.
00:47:42
Or if you want to get dangerous, you could use a loofah.
00:47:45
They did mention that it resembles a loofah.
00:47:47
Remember Luther?
00:47:47
00:47:48
It does kind of give you that feel.
00:47:50
Yeah, I mean we can't vouch for that.
00:47:52
I don't know if it's going to leave like fungal remnants, or you know you get tightened in your pores or whatever, but hey, it's worth a shot.
00:47:59
Let us know.
00:48:01
Yeah, so it's been considered as one of the four great beauties and the Chinese.
00:48:01
Yeah.
00:48:01
00:48:07
Culture and as far as you know, glowing skin.
00:48:11
Youthful complexion.
00:48:13
This mushroom is loaded with benefits and we'll go into more detail but just highlighting some of them.
00:48:20
Hydrating skin, reducing wrinkles loaded with antioxidants, reducing inflammation.
00:48:27
Managing your cholesterol high in vitamin D?
00:48:32
Can support your immune system and also have anti cancer and anti tumor effects.
00:48:37
It's crazy how all these mushrooms have popularity out East, you know, do you think like they say Asian cultures, they their skin looks great.
00:48:42
Yes.
00:48:45
I mean they the Asian culture ages very well, so if they're eating mushrooms that are hydrating their skin, it's part of their natural diet.
00:48:46
Me.
00:48:49
Very very well.
00:48:54
I mean, my gosh they've kind of figured it out and we're.
00:48:55
Yeah.
00:48:57
Slowly adopting some of their principles, but it sounds like they've been doing it for way longer.
00:49:03
Well, and you think the West has only been around for a few 100 years.
00:49:07
Good point.
00:49:07
As far as history.
00:49:08
Those so think of all the trials and errors that they've come to find out on just the research because they have the data to support it.
00:49:17
Yeah, and not vilifying the science as opposed to, you know, the way we do it over here.
00:49:23
Yeah, and there they have a lot more holistic approaches as well.
00:49:26
Well, they'll look to food for treatment versus, you know, big Pharma and you know we're we're companies just are looking to turn a profit.
00:49:30
Right?
00:49:34
Good point, very good point.
00:49:36
Yeah, so so talking about benefit.
00:49:38
Once a hydrating skin reducing wrinkles so this actually has been shown to be more effective than hyaluronic acid, which is in a lot of the anti-aging.
00:49:48
Thing serums an you know, face treatments and oils that you can put on an it's because the the.
00:49:57
Compounds are actually smaller than those of hyaluronic acid, so when we're talking about hydration for your skin and This is why, I also think this could be turned into maybe a topical treatment.
00:50:08
OK, is that it can then enter the smaller pores 'cause we have.
00:50:13
We have different sized pores like on our faces where if you were to put like.
00:50:17
A thick cream on your skin.
00:50:19
That's not going to be as absorbed as effectively as like an oil that's you know as a smaller, thinner consistency.
00:50:24
OK.
00:50:27
If you will so.
00:50:28
That's why those serums and stuff are all the rage these days.
00:50:31
Yeah, so yeah.
00:50:31
And like I just like using that word serum.
00:50:33
So for a lot of the women may know this, but for the men you know you you layer treatment on your skin.
00:50:41
So guys are like lucky if they put one thing on their skin but for women they might start off with a face oil.
00:50:45
Very true.
00:50:48
Which is, you know, very very fine, and they can seep deep into your skin and then maybe a thicker serum that has another effect and then on top of that you must put a blanket on top of it of a thicker lotion to trap everything so it keeps trying to penetrate the skin as deep and you know, as deep as possible don't get, don't get your.
00:51:00
Wow.
00:51:08
Yeah, like a seven layer burrito.
00:51:10
Just all the ingredients coming into to play.
00:51:10
Yeah.
00:51:12
Exactly, and it's just in and then it compacts it and then penetrates the skin.
00:51:16
So then it boosts.
00:51:17
Up your your hydration levels and then plumps up your skin and reduces the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles.
00:51:23
All I all I hear there is just so much work.
00:51:26
It just sounds like so much work.
00:51:27
Yeah, and it's it is kind of counter intuitive when you think oh I don't want oily skin, so I'm not going to put oil on my skin and it's a complete myth.
00:51:36
Good point.
00:51:37
You know it's like eating fat does not make.
00:51:40
Fat, you know in it so.
00:51:42
Well, that's why you're here.
00:51:43
You're very wise and and we learn every week because you're that wise.
00:51:47
Thank you yeah.
00:51:47
Well, thank you.
00:51:48
Yeah, so also loaded with antioxidants and I think that most people don't understand what that is or what it's preventing it from.
00:51:57
Yeah, I don't know.
00:51:58
It's a really nice buzzword though.
00:52:00
It's a nice bad word buzzword, but when you break it down it's like anti oxidant.
00:52:05
Well, what's an oxidant?
00:52:06
Is it like related to oxycodone?
00:52:08
Or is it a?
00:52:09
It is related to oxidative stress, so free radicals are oxygen.
00:52:12
OK.
00:52:17
And so basically free radicals.
00:52:19
Once things are in your body and they breakdown, you want a balance of free radicals and antioxidants.
00:52:26
OK, you don't want one kind of taking I guess.
00:52:28
Would be nice to have a bunch of antioxidants, but if there is an imbalance there between them.
00:52:35
Causes an uneven and uneven number of electrons in your body, so they start competing with your cells and.
00:52:39
OK.
00:52:44
What happens is you get these chemical reactions that then lead to oxidative stress and can you know, increase your chances for cancer an for saknis.
00:52:55
No **** so the balance is important.
00:52:57
The balance is very important, so the antioxidants basically donate those electrons to keep it in harmony.
00:53:05
OK.
00:53:05
00:53:05
OK, so smoking is an oxidative stress.
00:53:09
Smoking wreaks havoc on your body.
00:53:12
Word.
00:53:12
You know drinking can cause that.
00:53:16
Yeah, there's.
00:53:16
There's a bunch of different things that can cause it in the effects on your body you know can be really damaging.
00:53:23
Interesting for the listening audience that there's a a contractor doing some some saw work in the basement.
00:53:29
That's that's what that background noise is.
00:53:31
Oh yeah, yeah told my dad.
00:53:31
Once you shut that door real quick.
00:53:32
So we don't, yeah.
00:53:35
For for the first time in a while, the distraction is not mook, it's somebody else.
00:53:40
Yeah, so the damage.
00:53:41
I mean, it could increase the number of disease, so diabetes artherosclerosis which is the hardening of your blood vessels, inflammation, high blood pressure, heart disease can.
00:53:48
Gotcha.
00:53:52
Sir, so basically you want to consume antioxidants in any capacity.
00:53:58
It seems like that's a running theme with the mushrooms a lot of different varieties have antioxidant.
00:54:01
A lot of them and a lot of fruits and vegetables in general, you know, have antioxidant properties, so just kind of breaking that part down and then the last one.
00:54:07
Awesome.
00:54:12
I want to kind of dive into is managing your cholesterol because lipids, also known as fats, has been the area of study.
00:54:16
No.
00:54:21
That I've been working on in school, and I've learned a lot more about cholesterol that I kind of want to share because it was interesting so.
00:54:30
Please, please share.
00:54:33
We've heard of HDL and LDL, so those are low density lipids or high density lipids. You know with the abbreviations and the LDL's are deemed as bad cholesterol. Well with the HDL deemed as the better one. So usually your cholesterol is like 1 number.
00:54:40
OK.
00:54:53
One number over another number and the top one is always the deemed the bad one and the bottom is deemed the good one and.
00:55:00
All I know is I eat a lot of honey, nut, Cheerios, Cheerios.
00:55:02
I feel like I'm doing my part.
00:55:03
Oh, it's just going to lower your cholesterol well.
00:55:04
It does shots.
00:55:07
What's interesting too is that cholesterol is made in your liver and it actually makes.
00:55:12
The majority of the cholesterol that your body needs so dietary cholesterol.
00:55:17
The ones that we get from food is not deemed necessary.
00:55:21
OK.
00:55:21
So if you were to eat no cholesterol, which means you don't eat any animal products.
00:55:28
Then you know you're still going to be fine, your your body is still going to have a surplus of cholesterol, so the LDL that function is to carry cholesterol to the tissues of your body where it's.
00:55:34
Yeah.
00:55:34
00:55:41
Needed.
00:55:43
To you know, make vitamin D to help cells replicate, because cholesterol is in the cell body, so we need it for function.
00:55:54
So cholesterol is not necessarily a bad thing.
00:55:57
It's used to make hormones so cholesterol by all means is good.
00:56:02
So HDL LDL, if I'm if I want to answer a Jeopardy question and they're like which one is bad?
00:56:07
Is that a trick question?
00:56:09
It it could be a trick question.
00:56:10
But which one?
00:56:11
Which one would you say would be the better answer of the two?
00:56:13
So the LDL, which is the number that's typically high in people, that's the food that when we eat a lot of cholesterol, it's on the LDL side.
00:56:19
Oh
00:56:24
OK, for the most part, the good cholesterol, the HDL is essential.
00:56:25
But
00:56:30
Really like it's like a suitcase.
00:56:33
It's an empty suitcase that floats around the body and it pulls in cholesterol and it removes the cholesterol from your the excess cholesterol in your body.
00:56:43
So you want that suitcase that empty suitcase cholesterol the HDL?
00:56:49
The HDL.
00:56:50
B high definition L well yeah oh high density sorry I thought I mean.
00:56:52
The high density high density yeah.
00:56:56
So if you intake a lot of high density cholesterol, which is where I'm getting back out with that ramella is it probably has.
00:57:06
The high levels of HDL, which essentially if you're talking about in terms of lowering your overall cholesterol, you want to ingest that HDL to help remove it.
00:57:08
OK.
00:57:18
And impress your doctor.
00:57:19
I mean, if you go in and get a high score in the HDL, you know that's.
00:57:23
We assume that HDL will never be higher than your LDL.
00:57:24
Drops to you.
00:57:27
OK.
00:57:28
So your LDL will always be the highest 'cause your body is always producing cholesterol.
00:57:31
This is good **** I.
00:57:32
Learned a lot today.
00:57:33
Yeah, the HDL that was really interesting to me too.
00:57:36
It opened my eyes that OK.
00:57:38
Like you know, people are like, oh egg yolks or the worst thing don't eat egg yolks, they're bad for your cholesterol.
00:57:43
You are rock is winning championships, drinking egg yolks on you know in the movie so it's hard to refute that.
00:57:48
Yeah, yeah, I mean definitely like egg yolks are a lot healthier than you know the the fat that you eat with the steak.
00:57:50
He's a champion.
00:57:57
But don't stick a don't stick a fork in a VAT.
00:57:57
You know something wrong.
00:58:00
Of Crisco and go to town.
00:58:02
I mean, you know, be somewhat responsible, but you know, know the cholesterol that you're ingesting, I guess.
00:58:04
Exactly.
00:58:07
Uh, well, yeah.
00:58:08
Or just be aware that not all cholesterol is bad is kind of what I'm getting at because there are a lot of good, you know, benefits with it as well.
00:58:11
I love it.
00:58:11
I love it.
00:58:15
This was great.
00:58:15
I learned, I think that your Mellow Mushroom so far is one of my favourites.
00:58:19
Just the effects that the benefits that it can have right out of the box.
00:58:20
Very interesting.
00:58:22
So very cool.
00:58:23
Thank you for sharing.
00:58:23
Why we said we?
00:58:24
Want to see if we can find it locally?
00:58:26
OK, well we'll provide some updates.
00:58:28
I promise we will.
00:58:29
We don't forget about you and we say we're gonna go back.
00:58:31
Please don't have abandoned abandonment issues.
00:58:34
Yeah.
00:58:34
It's a lot of syllables.
00:58:36
Well Joe, I love you.
00:58:37
Thanks for being here and listening audience.
00:58:38
Yeah, thanks for having me sorry I got nerded out on you.
00:58:41
Oh, you went down a nerdy rabbit hole, but it was.
00:58:43
Then, but I'm I feel like I'm learning something I gotta share it with someone.
00:58:47
I love it.
00:58:48
Alright well love you bye see you.
00:58:49
All right, bye love you.
00:58:51
Moderation in terms of everything, including moderation and all that stuff.
00:58:54
Yeah.
00:58:54
But you know, doing it once every three months.
00:58:57
Is is like a reset button taking taking that old school Nintendo cartridge out blowing on that thing?
00:59:05
Yeah, put it right back in and now you're playing track and field in and that's.
00:59:09
The game you chose, what a dork.
00:59:12
I wanted to Zig when you thought was sagging, baby.
00:59:15
I want equitable.
00:59:16
But I mean that that's all, that's all you.
00:59:18
I know, I know, I just want to get.
00:59:20
Maybe maybe.
00:59:22
It's good to see your faces guys.
00:59:23
It's good to see your bald head man.
00:59:25
I am proud of you for taking that.
00:59:25
No.
00:59:27
As you can see, I haven't tended to my situation recently, but you've done a really good job there.
00:59:32
Oh I yeah, I'm getting back into the the hair growing game.
00:59:35
I got a laser helmet I.
00:59:37
Like the the looks like, it Works LLC.
00:59:39
Oh nice.
00:59:40
OK, it's been like three times I've tried it. I'll wear through a podcast once I was like oh 25 minutes every other day.
00:59:43
It looks like you forgot.
00:59:47
It's a crash test dummy hat with like a ******* helmet with like.
00:59:52
One of those.
00:59:52
It's got a little camera that goes right to their corporate office and they all laugh at me.
00:59:56
OK.
00:59:56
In it.
00:59:57
Is something that you should have bought in Skymall.
00:59:58
That's horrible, ******* idiot.
01:00:00
Skymall sells them.
01:00:00
It looks like.
01:00:02
A baby skulls misshape they have to wear those those helmets.
01:00:05
Yeah, same idea with.
01:00:06
Dear God
01:00:07
The Kuleli deadline to make it its lasers.
01:00:09
Dear God, well, you and I have the same balding hair pattern where we have like kind of that stream down the middle and so it.
01:00:15
Oh yes, my brother from another mother.
01:00:16
Jude Law, Jude Law made it really fashionable, but I'll tell you what man now that you've crossed over there, there is no going back, so your hair growing all of it just.
01:00:19
And.
01:00:27
Awake.
01:00:28
He's gonna Elon Musk it.
01:00:31
I'll be disappointed in you if you do, by the way, 'cause I want you part of my.
01:00:34
Saving it, but it'll be thick.
01:00:36
I want you in my club my friend.
01:00:37
I don't want you to leave the club all right stay there.
01:00:38
In the club I'm there.
01:00:38
In the I'm there.
01:00:41
OK, no way you want him to.
01:00:42
You want him to figure it out and then you know.
01:00:44
He'll tell you what to do, yeah?
01:00:45
Your app, I've already figured it out my friend I've been along I've tried.
01:00:49
I've tried and tried and I've regressed and requested address.
01:00:52
Every hair growth method has been a horrible failure, so good luck, Godspeed.
01:00:55
But if you want.
01:00:56
My PayPal and look at him now and that's all I'll tell you.
01:00:58
I'll tell you, yeah, I mean.
01:01:00
He's got a slight financial advantage over me.
01:01:01
Right?
01:01:01
01:01:03
I'm sure.
01:01:04
Yeah, exactly he can afford Skymall.
01:01:05
Yeah, right?
01:01:06
I can't.
01:01:07
He also is making Teslas approachable for almost everybody to buy, so if he can do it, I bet it hope he'll he'll let it down to us peons at some point.
01:01:16
Look at Deion Sanders Boo.
01:01:18
Yeah, didn't know about that, huh?
01:01:20
Yeah, are we?
01:01:21
We had our time limit.
01:01:22
Yeah.
01:01:22
01:01:22
Eric is going to run on a call and we got another podcast after that.
01:01:26
Well, hopefully it's as entertaining as informative as this one.
01:01:30
I doubt it out, yeah.
01:01:30
But yeah.
01:01:33
Well guys it's great to see you and.
01:01:36
Yeah, this your buddy we're going to come out and.
01:01:38
And visit you.
01:01:38
01:01:38
Visit you, you better the basement is being done as we speak so you'll have a space.
01:01:38
You
01:01:38
01:01:43
You can Airbnb when we come back.
01:01:44
OK, it's up to you.
01:01:46
In one of the proper.
01:01:46
You might have a baby by then, so.
01:01:47
Ways baby Oh yeah baby.
01:01:47
Ways Oh yeah baby.
01:01:49
Yeah.
01:01:49
I forgot about the baby.
01:01:49
I forgot about the.
01:01:50
Baby Oh yeah baby yeah, once you have that baby there's no gas.
01:01:54
Specially man, you forgot about that.
01:01:54
Oh goddamnit you did it.
01:01:55
I'm
01:01:56
So hoping you wouldn't do that.
01:01:57
It's always I'm already my friend.
01:01:59
Oh, it's so creepy.
01:02:00
As much as my wife doesn't want to be on the ready, it's on the ready.
01:02:02
I'm with, I'm with her man.
01:02:04
Alright, well on that note.
01:02:05
It's that.
01:02:05
It's.
01:02:06
We're going to try and make it illegal.
01:02:08
I'm not know.
01:02:08
I love you guys.
01:02:09
Let's do this again and I.
01:02:10
Everybody love you too, buddy see you.