Episode 2 - Spawn Prep and Wifey Myco-Wisdom
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And welcome to the second installment of the MUstaSH ROOM podcast.
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Glad you're back, or if this is the first time.
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Thank you.
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Hopefully the word will spread.
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This is an awesome space.
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I love the people that are on it and will be on it and today we have my friend.
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Chris again only first names at this point, 'cause we're just having fun learning and Chris is a buddy of mine.
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We've been cultivating mushrooms not together, but we've been doing our own separate experiments and have shared notes and samagar, which you'll learn about down the road and all that good stuff.
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But really cool guy.
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Good friend of mine and we talk today about spawn.
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So hopefully that is interesting. If not, hopefully you will still find our voices soothing. Quick shout out to both the official an unofficial sponsors of this podcast. Officially it's just MUstaSH brands, MUSTSH brands. MUstaSH brands.
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So thank you to those unofficial sponsors.
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There might be more.
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You're welcome to all those prospects in advance.
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This is episode 2 you're awesome.
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For listening enjoy.
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I appreciate you being here, Chris.
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Hello.
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Oh yeah.
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Well, yeah, and the enthusiasm is just overflowing.
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Well, hello.
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Just lucky.
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This is episode two.
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We had a little welcome episode that doesn't count.
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This is episode officially Episode 2 are you?
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Are you a podcast veteran?
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I never asked that.
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I have never done a podcast before.
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I've never done a podcast, so I'm not a big cherry pop are when it comes to a podcast and I'm not willing to like take you through every step of the game, but if I can acclimate you to at least a studio, a headset or a mic, A might cover my annoying cat from time to time.
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Sure.
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Occasionally.
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Any one of those things that will make me happy?
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All right?
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You are not only one of my good friend.
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But you're also an amateur mycologist like myself and I find that super awesome and nerdy.
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Definitely different my tone to it.
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It is becoming more and more consuming.
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It's yeah, I mean, have you know I watched a fantastic fantastic fun guy which I told the audience the last time I spoke to them.
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I know you had seen that and that movie is freaking amazing.
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If that doesn't like.
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If that doesn't steal your interest or just like plant the seed of loving mushrooms even more, I don't know what would.
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No kidding, I think that I mean all of the applications that they talk about inside there.
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It's just.
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It's incredible that it's so diverse what you can.
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Do with them you know.
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And I was telling my non mushroom fan friends and family members.
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I'm like you gotta watch this.
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You know, as being evangelical about it, which I don't like to be unless it's really worthwhile.
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Me.
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So thank you for your recommendation and I'm just glad we followed.
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Up on that.
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Yeah yeah, so Chris.
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The podcast as I had explained to you, I'm nerding out big time.
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With mushrooms as.
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It certainly looks.
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That way I think Brody, by the way, he just did a drive by fart.
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I don't know if you smell that, so I don't know if that's you and your disguising it as a Brody fart or what, but I think that's what he did.
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I think.
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He just crawled under the table, drag to fart with him and now he's gone.
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Yep, he just said Seevic is dragged a fart.
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Through the podcast studio.
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Thanks buddy.
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Yeah, good old Brody.
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Yeah.
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So Brody is not going to speak on the podcast.
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It'll be unsolicited barking, but in.
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The occasional jab backward.
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He will drive by fart like a mug so.
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So back to what we were talking about.
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Yeah, the the situation that you see next to the podcast studio, the 10 active mono tubs, various strains of psilocybin or psychedelic mushrooms.
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I'm proud of this setup and I think you and I you know you talk me through some of it.
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I feel like you contributed to this setup as well, well?
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I appreciate it considering how much you contributed to my setup that I'm working on and hopefully one day it'll grow up to be a little bit more similar to this.
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The automation is.
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Just so smart.
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Yeah, and I mean I still would probably, even if it wasn't automated, I would still come down here and like just nurture them constantly of course, but it makes it a little bit.
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I could actually have a life outside my mushroom monotypes.
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No kidding, how many strands are you?
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I would say I have like four or five right now.
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Currently working on it.
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OK, let me turn off the air so the podcast studio is in the basement, which Chris knows and Patrick is the other guest that has been.
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With it being in the basement, we are exposed to the furnace and the bathroom piping and a lot of things that are going to contribute to the ambience of the podcast.
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Sure.
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Let me turn off the.
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Air so that that's not the extra mic that nobody wants to hear.
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Alright, an we are.
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Do be do.
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Dude dude sure.
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Be sure you can run your AC from your phone as well as your monotypes you like.
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Yeah.
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Well, well done.
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Yeah, and we are off.
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And whatever interference that was.
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Yeah, everything is getting that, but my garage has an app.
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We might get a new stove and dishwasher, each of which have their own respective apps.
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I mean it can go, it could get crazy.
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It can get crazy Jetson style **** So with our mushroom with our journey so far.
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So in the last episode I talk Patrick through kind of like some of the early phases of cultivation.
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Uh huh.
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And I know you and I know we've talked at different intervals of.
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About you know how to get started and how to gather supplies and what not, but I do want to talk about a couple of things that we were hitting on earlier that I think will be relevant to the audience.
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One of.
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Those things is do.
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We wanted to talk about spawn right?
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We wanted to talk about creating spawn.
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Yes, OK, so in the last episode I talked a little bit about.
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You know you might do the PF technical method, which I think you had started with Chris.
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Yes.
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So, So what I started with was.
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I had a syringe.
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I inoculated some jars that were filled with right.
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She had a spore syringe.
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A spore syringe inoculated some jars.
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OK.
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Wish I could tell you exactly what was in them, but there was rice flour I think was the primary.
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Food source Brown rice flour and vermiculite and OK.
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Mickey light yes, and then let it populate and where I kind of fell flat on the first one is I didn't let the jars fully populate.
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OK, so I got until I saw my silly everywhere, but not until it was a nice solid white cake.
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And so my first or my first.
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Shot at it didn't quite go anywhere which.
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I mean it's and I was telling the audience, and at this point I hope our audience is.
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It's a vast audience, but likelihood is just like my mom and my sister and maybe me just making sure everything went.
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You
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Huh?
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OK.
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Yeah, I was telling the audience it's it's a pretty precise process, like if a Cup.
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I mean you're you may have wasted weeks months.
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Getting up to that ****** process, sure.
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So.
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Oh, but I think mycelium not fully colonizing like that's not as big of a Cup is like a big pile of mold.
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Sure, although I did have about I saw I had eight jars and I think six of them ended up with mold.
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OK, I just the the cleanliness process can be meticulous, but then it just like every one of those jars.
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It was like man.
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Next time I'm going to do it this way and next time I'm going to change this and it just kind of makes you want a little more.
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Kind of excited.
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Yeah, it's like a learning an instrument.
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Like every week you get a new cord or something like that.
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I'm not an instrument guy, but that sounds I think the jargons redcord.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yes, no sounds about right, all right.
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Yeah, well abandon the topic.
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So yeah, it's it.
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Is it?
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You, you tweak it, you tweak the process.
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You know we're we're making, we're making beautiful drugs.
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So I mean, yes, it should be a cumbersome process.
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Anything that is that amazing should be cumbersome if it just grew Willy nilly because I just put a with B.
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Absolutely.
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That's that sucks, right?
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Right, I want it to be a with B + C -- D + F -- C + Q I mean it's it's a better.
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Yeah.
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Recipe you start with the recipe and then you make it your own.
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I think that what's what I've found fascinating about is how easy it is to want to get so much more connected to the whole process.
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This like just like anything else you could go buy it, or you can actually participate in getting it out there and getting it for yourself and it just.
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Right, it gives you a deeper appreciation of like.
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How people have used these and.
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Plus, buying it is hard.
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I mean, first of all, not everybody has mushrooms on the ready like waiting for you to buy from them, and you can't buy them at a store or online like they're not technically legal even though they're decriminalized.
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Right?
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Sure.
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Right?
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Sure.
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Set for Oregon I guess.
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Yeah coort yeah right everything.
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Write everything.
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I guess we should have some some riots in the downtown area.
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We should up our rioting game.
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Maybe we'll get everything decriminalised
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Huh?
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No offense, Portland OR.
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I love your state and specifically Portland and I love what they're doing out there.
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Not working.
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But yeah, no, it's it's.
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We're making beautiful drugs we're making, we're helping ourselves psychologically, especially in the midst of covid, which I know we've talked.
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It's not the easiest time to cope with anything with life.
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Right, so if I can give my mind a little bit of a tweak, a little bit of a break with some psilocybin's mushrooms God, it's amazing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, throw a little nature in there and then all of a sudden it's a magical weekend.
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Trends in nature.
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Plus you're putting your you're like you're putting your brand.
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I ******* created this.
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This is mine.
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Yeah, I did this soup to nuts.
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There's just that added.
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Bliss associated with that.
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Absolutely we were talking about that before the podcast, just with respect to hunting.
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We
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Even right, it's that just added, you know, being able to create it yourself.
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Hunting, yeah?
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You're engaged in the entire process.
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It just gives you a lot more fulfillment.
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And then when you get to share it with other people, it's even more of an excitement and then other people get excited about it and then they slowly go on a journey and you get to watch it.
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It's.
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It's exactly like when you see somebody eat your mushrooms and have a great time.
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It's like you cooked a major meal and somebody they love.
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Your amount of salt and just the right amount of searing on the.
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Entree.
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That's how that's the feeling you get when somebody else gets super jacked off your drugs.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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I hate to column drugs 'cause they're really theogenes like Michael Pollan calls entheogens, but they're still technically legally drugs.
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Yes.
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Yeah, but they're great drugs.
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Yeah, great drugs, absolutely.
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Top my list.
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Oh for sure for sure.
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For sure.
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And we make him yeah, back to the back to the whole making a thing. Let's talk about spawn so OK. And Brody's running around Mook is the cat. Brody's the dog they're chasing each other? I promise that's not the furnace in the background. One of the multitude of distractions in the basement of the podcast studio. So back to cultivation so.
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Yeah.
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With spawn.
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We talked about in the last episode and Chris, you and I talked oat Rye.
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Those are some of the more popular grains to be used for spawn.
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OK.
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Now that when we talk about that, that's the bulk growing method like the PF Tek the cake based method.
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Millimeter.
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Like the beginner method, yes, the one that you tried initially.
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And.
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Well.
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But you still had a little bit right.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't.
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You got like a couple mushrooms out.
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I did I.
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Of it OK, no mushrooms, but I did get the I did at least get some mycelia populating.
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I don't know much.
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So it was a failure.
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It wasn't covered in other mold.
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OK, all right.
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I think it took me a few times.
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Even with the cakes initially to get anything worthwhile.
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So I don't think that's uncommon.
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Yeah, but you're resilient.
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See you bounce back.
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And PF Tek when we talk about PF Tek like if you do your research online and you look at the blogs and whatnot, everybody will kind of steer you back to PF Tek to start off with.
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OK, you basically take some wide mouth Mason jars.
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You take a mixture of Brown rice flour and vermiculite and some water.
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You mix it up an you fill these jars.
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An basically.
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Those are kind of like kind of like our spawn.
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It's a different type of substrate.
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Breeding ground for the mycelium.
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I don't know.
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They don't know the difference in terms of like which ones more nutritious or if it's like sugar content, like why oats over?
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Yeah.
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Right, I don't know the periodic table, so like there's gonna be some gaps in my knowledge.
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Now, yeah.
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But the PF Tek method has that vermiculite, Brown rice flour water combo in the jars.
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Those ultimately become your cakes so you sterilize those.
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Uh huh.
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If you're not familiar with the sterilization, prob.
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Says pressure cooker is the way to go, right?
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Some people will use like a pot and use steam, which is what?
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I did Ann not as not as easy.
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This.
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So unfortunately pressure cookers not. They're kind of expensive. 23 quart pressure cooker like the one I have is about 100 and 3000 and 50 bucks.
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Gotcha and with a 23 quart pressure cooker you can fit like.
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832 ounce jars. OK, yeah, I mean that's a lot. 2 they'll be like 6 on the base and then two lying down on the second tier. Gotcha, so I mean you can sterilize quite a bit, but you know 150 bucks? That's a decent investment. Yep, the smaller pressure cookers, the ones that can store like the just a couple jars at a time and get there for like 40 or 50 bucks. But it depends on how active you are the hobby.
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8.
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OK.
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Sure, right?
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So you want to stare.
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Guys, so with the cakes I think I can't remember exactly what the sterilization time was.
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I think it was 90 minutes at 15.
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PS I that's pretty standard.
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Something like that.
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PS I is pressure pounds per square inch, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Man, I almost went off the edge there so pounds per square inch an 15 PS I is kind of the level where the sterilization takes place.
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It just needs to happen for a certain period.
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Time to guarantee that everything is fully D contaminated.
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Essentially pasteurization right?
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Yeah no, I only know pasteurization in like a submerging context like you do with the substrate, the.
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Sure.
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Facing or you do with milk, but maybe yeah, adding heat to reduce the contamination. I guess. Essentially is pasteurization. Yeah, so we're pasteurizing using a pressure cooker. Some of the more industrial shops will use like these huge VAT pressure cooker things, which probably more than $150.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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I think so.
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I would imagine.
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I would imagine.
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But nonetheless, you put your your cakes or this pond.
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In this case, we're talking about the PF Tek cakes.
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You put those in your pressure cooker for 90 minutes.
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Hey Brody, I'm doing a podcast buddy.
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Alright, thanks, you put those in there for 90 minutes.
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You put some foil on top of them to make sure that they don't get submerged with water and then they're sterile.
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An ready for the next phase.
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Now pivoting to spawn good.
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You inoculate with the spores before you pressure cook, correct, no?
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Yeah.
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OK, after alright so the preparatory phase is good question.
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By the way.
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Yeah, the preparatory phases would be to create your PF tek cakes or your spawn.
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Create them and sterilize them before doing anything with spores.
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Mycelium, liquid culture, any of that stuff.
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That doesn't.
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That does make.
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Sense and they can live in that sterilized state for a while.
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OK, so like let's say you wanted to create some jars, some PF tek jars, or some spawn and you just wanted to let him sit for a few months.
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You could actually do that.
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Post pressure.
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Locker and just let them sit an they'll be fine until you're ready to inoculate.
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Now if you let them sit with this spawn before you sterilize, had a lot of issues where they get moldy and kind of become unusable.
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Makes sense.
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OK, so that's just kind of like a you know.
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You learn learning.
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Throughout the process overtime so PF Tek if you do that you can find at PFTEK online somewhere. If you want to do cakes, sure at this point Chris you were in the bulk phase like we want some major harvest. Like if you're going to buy TV by the ******* 80 inch TV. Don't get the 50 and try to.
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Usual.
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Only $30 more than the smaller one anyways.
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Justify it.
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At this in this economy you can get a good deal on an Indian.
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Go the 80 inches 50s great 50 is great but it's not 80 and if you have the capacity to go 80, no Mail in on this Earth will question.
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I think you're right.
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I think you're right.
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So as a man, yes we're going bulk harvest with the bulk harvest, you start with something called Spawn.
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And Chris and I, you and I have been using Rye as I respond.
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Yes, so and this was an area where you helped me out on my first grow this way and we're thank you Sir, and gave me some of the rise spawn so I can you tell me a little bit more about how you prepare the the Rye for it since.
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You're welcome.
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Yeah.
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Want to?
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You know, take another run at it and maybe.
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Try bags, yeah an I so on the last episode of touched on it a little bit, but I've used Rye grain exclusively, but I've talked to some other people that use oat.
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Some people have used Millet and some other seeds.
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I don't have any direct experience with that, but what I do is I get Rye organic Rye.
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Berries they column. That's like the rice seed, right? You can get those on Amazon or a lot of different like feed places. So I buy the Rye berries. I think I bought like 25 pounds.
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When you take those Rye berries and you put him in a bucket like a Home Depot, you know, yeah, the orange bucket.
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5 gallon.
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Yeah, so you put your Rye berries in the bucket you put and you rinse them out like you would any kind of grain.
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Yeah.
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You rinse them out, maybe four or five times.
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Kind of get the dirt off.
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The outside of those greens, right?
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Let's just.
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Till the water kind of runs as clear as possible through the strainer, right?
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You've done this before, yes?
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Oh
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With Rice I cooked recently, well, that's.
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That's practical experience right there.
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That's correct.
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So yes, exactly what Chris said.
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When it's clear you take one more, you, you cover up the grain and why.
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Water usually leave maybe four to five extra inches of water above where it's covered.
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And you add 1 coffee Cup worth of coffee first in acidity.
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I don't know.
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Again, the scientific reasoning behind that, but several mycology aficionados and experts have said you need the acidity to help with some of the growth.
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Yeah.
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Don't know I've been using it almost religiously.
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Alright, so you add 1 Cup of coffee.
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And then you also add about a Cup of gypsum, which is that plaster of Paris which people say doesn't really help with the nourishment or anything like that.
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Just kind of helps the grains stay separate.
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So you add a Cup of gypsum that's plaster of Paris. You add a Cup of coffee and you add enough water to cover up your grain by like four or five inches, and I usually use like half of the 25 pound bag with one batch and that will give me a good like dozen and a half.
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Gotcha.
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Jars OK, so you go with large jars.
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You go with.
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Next question, so with that.
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With the rinsing, the grain with the soaking of the grain.
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Once you create that concoction of gypsum, coffee and water, and your Rye berries.
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Sure you take that you covered up.
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I use like Saran Wrap, it could be anything, just just.
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Shut up and let it sit overnight.
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You basically want to let it let the riberry soak up that solution.
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Once it's fully like once it's been like overnight or 12 hours could be, I think up to a day you just want to let them absorb that water.
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Then you take him and you put him on the stove.
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And you put him on the stove and let him simmer for like 1520 minutes. Just the last ingestion of water you want these things totally hydrated, OK?
00:19:56
I got it OK.
00:19:58
Once it's been simmering for about 20 minutes, you take it off the stove, and then you you dry off the Rye berries.
00:20:05
So what I do?
00:20:07
You could put him in a strainer and kind of like shaking around, but I'll take.
00:20:12
I take a piece of screen, an eye, roll up the piece of screen out, I clip it on a couple different storage bins.
00:20:19
I kind of roll it out flat, suspended over.
00:20:23
Maybe like two or three feet over the surface so that I have an aerated area underneath them to dry out.
00:20:29
And I'll spread all the Rye berries wet out over that that screen OK.
00:20:34
You let him drive.
00:20:35
They don't have to dry completely, just want to get some of that water seat.
00:20:39
Once they're kind of dry, then you take him and you put them in Mason jars. I've been using the 32 ounce like the the quart sized jar right? Definitely wide mouth. If you don't use wide mouth, can be a bit getting the mycelium spawn out of the jar when it's time to mix with the casing.
00:20:56
Right, which still even with the tiny little neck on it, it was still.
00:21:02
A little bit of a little bit of a challenge.
00:21:03
Yeah, why add?
00:21:04
We talked about it's a cumbersome process for good reason, but we don't wanna make it any harder.
00:21:07
Right?
00:21:09
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:09
Yeah, you get the.
00:21:10
The little tiny jars and they have no neck. It's great, but I don't know that they do no next 32.
00:21:15
Chairs.
00:21:15
As long as it's a wide neck, you want it to be just, why?
00:21:18
No.
00:21:18
Just remember those.
00:21:20
No, you probably don't.
00:21:21
In the in the 80s I don't know.
00:21:23
I'm much older in the 80s.
00:21:25
They had these these shirts that I think they were called body glove or.
00:21:31
Something like body glove or something like that, just extremely wide neck.
00:21:35
Oh
00:21:35
They went well with like one of those leather weightlifting belts and like some grey sweatpants that sort of look just an extremely open neck like you can see every trap all the way down to like the side of the deltoid.
00:21:38
Sure.
00:21:40
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:48
Yeah, yeah, just like a little like the Madonna like slant but on both sides.
00:21:53
Absolutely far enough out where.
00:21:53
Absolutely fine.
00:21:54
If you had an AC tear, you'd still see it right?
00:21:57
Just like barely hanging on.
00:21:58
Hey chicks dig scars right?
00:21:59
So show both showed both shoulders with the scars so I don't even know where I was going with that.
00:22:04
Oh wide mouth yeah so do not buy any the regular mouth jars.
00:22:05
Why not Josh?
00:22:08
I don't care if they're on sale and if somebody tells you to be fine.
00:22:10
Do not make it harder on yourself.
00:22:12
Go wide mouth right right like a hooker if you are getting a hooker renting a hooker.
00:22:16
You're spending the money already.
00:22:17
If you're spending the money already wide mouth, yeah, don't shortchange, don't make it.
00:22:22
I mean, there's teeth in there, so you have Wi-Fi, right? Yeah, so yes, wide mouth jars. I do the court. I want to film like 3/4 of the way full, OK?
00:22:32
Don't want to fill them all the way because they need a little bit of area to breathe and just three quarters is the standard.
00:22:39
You fill them up an you see alot the jars.
00:22:42
Now, when you're making those jars like you could find the the instructions online.
00:22:47
Usually you create the jars with like a syringe.
00:22:51
As I called self healing injection port.
00:22:51
Is it called?
00:22:54
And do you find those just in bulk somewhere on Amazon?
00:22:57
Yeah, for like 100 you can get like 100 for I think less than 10 bucks.
00:23:02
And then you just have a standard size hole that you put in the top.
00:23:06
Yeah, there's I don't know the exact diameter.
00:23:09
I mean, when you look at it you can see what that drill bit should look like, but if you drill into the top of your Mason jar, this self healing injector port injection port is kind of like pops.
00:23:09
I mean.
00:23:19
In there and I usually take some gasket maker silicone and just kind of seal it up just to make sure that there's no holes or anything between the injection port in the lid.
00:23:26
Right?
00:23:29
And I think so.
00:23:31
When I first inoculated the jars that I did the kind of little cakes.
00:23:36
Yeah, instead of using a self injection port.
00:23:38
I had holes drilled in the top and injected through there and then covered it with micropore tape breath.
00:23:43
But
00:23:45
More of an opportunity for other molds and thanks to get in there, which is what I ran into.
00:23:49
Yeah, see, that's.
00:23:50
What I ran into.
00:23:52
And yeah, I mean everybody like I was telling you, I get a 6040 split. The way I'm doing it now using a still air box between usable and non usable spawn.
00:24:02
Sure, I think if I had a lemon are flow hood which I talked a little bit about in the last episode that is the like coup de grace of decontamination.
00:24:02
Yeah.
00:24:11
In command Centers for the mycologist, so you're looking at several $100 worth in investment, which at some point if we keep this going, Chris that we're going to have to figure something out to get a flow hood going.
00:24:22
Absolutely.
00:24:22
But for the short term still air box you're looking at like a $15 investment versus maybe a $500 investment. So the Jewish part of me comes out immediately there and says, hey, let's let's chill with the $15 investment just for the short term. Absolutely like as a parent, you tell your kid, hey, make sure you really like it before you buy the whole outfit.
00:24:36
For the the short absolute.
00:24:43
Uh huh.
00:24:43
And the helmet?
00:24:44
Yeah, all that fancy stuff.
00:24:44
Uh-huh
00:24:46
So yes, the self healing injector port, which the best part about that that I found and you will find as well.
00:24:53
If we use the liquid culture which we haven't talked about, it creates a much, much more sterile environment, less susceptible to contamination.
00:25:01
'cause you're really not exposing anything.
00:25:03
You're going right through the injector port.
00:25:04
You don't have to open up the jar.
00:25:07
I think long term that's where that's going to be the sweet spot, but you know all this stuff that leading up leading up to that is a big pain in the *** Yeah, so selfhealing injector port and also the air exchange.
00:25:19
FYI, that is the.
00:25:23
The acronym that I see Everywhere Fresh air exchange. Whenever you see Fay with nerding out online looking at shroom stuff, it's fresh air exchange. Alright, so you have to have something whenever you're growing mycelium for fresh air exchange because the CO2 and the oxygen there has to be a distribution of the two if it's also.
00:25:41
Makes sense.
00:25:42
Two, your mushrooms are going to.
00:25:45
They're going to die, right?
00:25:45
Right?
00:25:46
I'm not saying.
00:25:46
I mean, they may grow up all ******** you don't want, you don't want that for your kids and when?
00:25:49
You get into.
00:25:50
Mushrooms, they're kind of your kids.
00:25:51
Yeah, yeah, you take up the monitor.
00:25:52
Yeah, you wake up in the morning.
00:25:53
Make sure they're OK.
00:25:54
Yeah, do you take the covers off?
00:25:56
Just make sure it might you.
00:25:57
Know sing him a lullaby.
00:25:58
I don't know, right?
00:25:59
Take pictures, sentiment, friends.
00:26:00
Yeah.
00:26:01
So look it up.
00:26:02
OK, they got today.
00:26:03
My ******* background.
00:26:04
Yeah.
00:26:05
Did you tell me were like waking up excited in the morning?
00:26:06
I see that.
00:26:07
To see your harvest, I had a friend watch him over the weekend while I was down in Texas and every day I was like hey man, can you send me a picture of the box?
00:26:16
Right, yeah, you're like a soldier overseas like I want to see my family.
00:26:20
Right?
00:26:21
How excited was the friend to look after your mushrooms?
00:26:24
Oh
00:26:24
At first he thought he would screw it up, but it's once you get to that phase in it, it's pretty hard to screw up.
00:26:30
I mean your point, you pluck him at the time you think is closest to the right time, and if you miss it, Oh no.
00:26:30
I mean your point.
00:26:36
Yeah, I might be ******* ****** when I get back, but that's just the way it is.
00:26:37
Welcome anyways yeah yeah.
00:26:40
You know.
00:26:40
There reminds me of looking after somebody stuff.
00:26:42
Did you ever see the movie road trip with Tom Green looking after Mitch?
00:26:45
Absolutely.
00:26:47
Oh God, right?
00:26:49
Yeah I would.
00:26:50
I would still let Tom Green look after my mushrooms even though I would know it would be a disaster.
00:26:54
But Mitch.
00:26:56
So yeah, back to the spawn.
00:26:58
So the Fresh air exchange you can just use some polyfill.
00:27:02
Which do you have your polyfill bag?
00:27:05
Haven't needed to get one you gave me.
00:27:07
Maybe a fist size of it was enough for two boxes, but Bijou keeps tearing up toys around the house so I can just pull it right out of the out of the stuffed animal.
00:27:08
Yeah.
00:27:16
More Poly.
00:27:17
Phil, yeah, that's a so B.
00:27:20
She's trying to help.
00:27:20
I mean yeah, because your dog probably won't make an appearance on this podcast.
00:27:20
Yeah.
00:27:24
Probably not, but the whole family is chipping in.
00:27:25
Probably won't but shout out anyway.
00:27:27
That's really the point, you know.
00:27:28
She understands the importance of mushrooms to daddy.
00:27:32
She's helping so he polyfill.
00:27:34
Just as Chris said, is the inside of your dogs toy.
00:27:37
It's that fluffy stuff inside of a pillow.
00:27:41
If you like separated part apart with your hands, it's kind of like cotton candy and that is the best medium for fresh air exchange.
00:27:50
So in your mono tubs which we haven't talked about mono tub construct yet but in your mono tubs and your jars, you're always going to use your polyfill for fresh air exchange.
00:28:01
So you're building a bear, but it's not just. It's not a bear, it's it's it's mushroom accessories. But if you do want to build-a-bear, you can also use that same plumbing for the inside of your bear.
00:28:04
Thanks.
00:28:11
Which might also be fun to do while enjoying what you just grew.
00:28:15
Oh man yeah Build-a-bear on under the influence.
00:28:19
It's gonna be a fun could be a lot of fun.
00:28:19
It's gonna be a ******* awesome bear.
00:28:22
So fresh air exchange and yeah, just keep that in mind wherever you store your jars wherever you store anything that is kind of breeding.
00:28:31
Mycelium, you definitely have to give it a little bit of a buffer so don't have like a book sitting right on top of your jar or whatever you need to have a little bit of buffer for that fresh air exchange.
00:28:43
So create those jars you sterilize.
00:28:46
Sterilize those jars in your pressure cooker, and then you are ready to inoculate those jars.
00:28:52
Really whenever you want, I let him cool down a little bit.
00:28:55
Don't don't jump right into it like minute one.
00:28:57
Give him maybe like 10 hours to cool that right.
00:29:00
Does that does that fill in the gaps?
00:29:02
How do you feel about your spawn knowledge?
00:29:03
Like if you were to start from scratch at this point, how do you feel about spawn?
00:29:07
Well, I have the recipe and I and the steps I think I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:29:15
And after watching a few videos with people doing that process and leveraging the bags, and you end up with kind of a brick of your massilia things, it seems like a great process, so I think.
00:29:22
Or less.
00:29:27
Outside of another shot at overly automating my tubs like yours are, I think the bags in that process might be an interesting way to.
00:29:34
Go, I totally agree and I wanna follow up.
00:29:38
We talked about the jars but what Chris was referring to is there are these micro bags there mushroom bags that are I think there.
00:29:47
3 pounds or five pounds.
00:29:48
The one I have or 5 pounds.
00:29:51
And so you fill them with your spawn.
00:29:54
The same way you would your jars, but it's just a bigger container, a little bit different for air exchange, but then you can actually grow right inside the bag, so I haven't done that yet.
00:30:03
We talked about it introducing some substrate in there with the spawn to grow right inside the bag, but we haven't got to that experiment, so I do want to like, discuss and kind of walk through that experiment at some point.
00:30:15
Down the road, that would be pretty awesome.
00:30:17
Absolutely this stuff.
00:30:18
It's so vast.
00:30:19
It's a vast world of fun stuff.
00:30:22
Easy to get into it.
00:30:24
And the people online you talked about like resources and stuff, the people online.
00:30:28
No offense to any of those people, but they don't look like scientists, right?
00:30:32
I mean these guys, they look you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but it's hard and we all we all like to judge, especially on the Internet.
00:30:35
Right?
00:30:38
It's judgy place when.
00:30:38
Sure, look.
00:30:40
You see, where is Waldo on the cover, though?
00:30:42
You know it's.
00:30:42
Not going to be a good read, right?
00:30:43
Right?
00:30:44
Right?
00:30:44
That's that's a really good point.
00:30:48
So they're not.
00:30:49
They don't look like scholars.
00:30:50
They don't look like you know they shared a class with Barack Obama in in college.
00:30:54
Like probably not that, but they ******* know mushrooms.
00:30:58
And there's nothing more fun than listening to someone who is incredibly passionate about whatever it is they're talking about and.
00:31:03
And a guy with a super neckbeard just talking with like MIT level knowledge that is just impressive.
00:31:08
Right?
00:31:10
Like sure you haven't showered but you've read a lot of books.
00:31:12
Rates.
00:31:14
Yeah, so if you look online don't be scared by their sketchy appearance.
00:31:19
They know what they're talking about, especially if they're sitting in front of a lemon are flow hood.
00:31:23
They put some money into this.
00:31:24
Oh yeah, sounds like a good time to interrupt and provide you with the health segment from wifey, Jill.
00:31:31
Here we go.
00:31:32
This is the first installment of a new segment that I don't have a name for.
00:31:36
Will figure out a name, but it involves my wife Jill and it involves the health and nutritional aspects of mushrooms and mycology.
00:31:47
They they've been around as a tasty treat for a long time.
00:31:50
However, there's a ton of different health benefits and a lot of things that are discovering as they continue to explore.
00:31:56
You know what mushrooms and fungus bring to the table?
00:31:59
Just in so many different ways, but anyways, the wifey her name is Jill Ann.
00:32:03
She's an expert in the field.
00:32:05
I'd like to introduce you to her.
00:32:07
First installment of the first installment of this new segment, Jill.
00:32:11
How you doing?
00:32:12
I'm good, how are you doing?
00:32:13
I'm doing well.
00:32:13
Well, I mean, I wouldn't say expert quite yet, but studying to be one.
00:32:17
Well, you're humble.
00:32:18
I mean you can self proclaimed expert we this this household proclaims you as the health experts.
00:32:23
OK, all right, I'll take it.
00:32:25
Yeah, as soon to be very credentialed so it's you know, work in progress.
00:32:29
Yeah working towards it.
00:32:31
So we're going to pick a different mushroom each week, or each installment of the podcast and just kind of profile the mushroom and talk about it from your expert perspective.
00:32:41
What it can bring to the table and just what the scientists and the community saying about that particular.
00:32:47
Stream so this week I'll let you introduce that mushroom and we can start talking about it.
00:32:52
Wife Jill.
00:32:53
Yes, so we are going to speak about Lions Mane mushroom, so this one in recent years has really gained popularity, especially amongst you know, vegans.
00:33:03
Vegetarians, because there are a lot of health benefits, vitamins and minerals that are associated with it.
00:33:11
So yeah, it gained popularity mostly in Asian countries, China, India, Japan and Korea.
00:33:17
It's a mushroom that can be enjoyed raw, cooked, dried or steeped in tea.
00:33:23
And the extracts often used can also be found in over the counter health supplements.
00:33:28
And I remember recently you made a dish that was awesome that contained Lions mane mushroom.
00:33:33
What was that dish?
00:33:35
Yes, so Lions Mane has a flavor that's very seafood like.
00:33:40
So something like lobster crab, but that's kind of the flavor profile that it provides.
00:33:45
So we had made some crab cakes from the.
00:33:48
Terms.
00:33:48
Awesome and yeah, those.
00:33:50
I mean, it wasn't exactly like crab, but I mean for something that you can go either buy at the store or grow yourself.
00:33:59
They have, you know, grow kits and things we can grow at home.
00:34:02
Lions mane.
00:34:02
It's kind of cool to be able to simulate that taste a little bit what?
00:34:05
Did you think of the crab cakes?
00:34:06
I mean, I personally liked it.
00:34:08
It was my first time.
00:34:09
Preparing it and it was just by one recipe, so you know with every recipe you kind of find the way you like it to be prepared and maybe you cook it a little longer.
00:34:18
Maybe you marinate it a little longer.
00:34:21
Beforehand, so I definitely think for a first try it was successful and something unique about it too.
00:34:27
If you haven't seen one before, you know Google an image.
00:34:30
It literally looks like a Lions mane, it has little hairs if you will.
00:34:36
It's white, so it's very very different from any mushroom you might have thought of in the past.
00:34:42
Did you ever play with play DoH growing up and there will you put play dough inside?
00:34:44
Absolutely.
00:34:47
Look ahead and then you would squeeze it and the hair would come out the top.
00:34:50
Yes.
00:34:51
That's kind of the shape.
00:34:53
I would say it looks like it's one of the prettier mushrooms.
00:34:56
I believe the Lions Mane mushroom contains bio active substances.
00:35:01
That have been shown to have beneficial effects on the body, but especially for the brain, heart and gut.
00:35:07
So gut health is really taken off in recent years, so you know keeping a happy gut is kind of keeping the whole happy body.
00:35:16
But then the.
00:35:16
Wait, wait, hold on.
00:35:17
So when you say gut, I mean that sounds it sounds so eloquent keeping a happy gut.
00:35:22
Good yeah, probiotics, flora prebiotics.
00:35:25
We just
00:35:28
You know your gut is you know what and when I say gut I'm talking about your intestines, small intestines, large intestine.
00:35:36
Basically, where the food in your body hang out the longest, so food is only in your stomach for two hours, but it can be in your gut anywhere from 10 hours to multiple days.
00:35:48
So if it's the food is hanging out in there and it's maybe not the good type of foods, let's say cakes and Donuts and all that stuff.
00:35:56
That's going to affect your gut flora.
00:35:59
Ascentia Lee in breaking down those materials an really harboring any type of nutrients from it.
00:36:06
I mean, we could really, you know, dive deep into that.
00:36:09
And I want to learn more personally about that, sure.
00:36:12
But yeah, gut health is something that if you take a lot of antibiotics, you're killing off that gut.
00:36:19
The microflora in there so.
00:36:21
You're not killing off the get like it's not a way to lose weight.
00:36:23
You don't take antibiotics to lose weight.
00:36:25
No, that's just a fight disease.
00:36:26
It's not going to kill off your gear, but your beer guy.
00:36:28
But yeah, you have a lot of good bacteria in your body.
00:36:31
I'm like millions.
00:36:33
I mean, I wanna say millions.
00:36:34
I don't know that for a fact, but I want to say upwards of millions of bacteria, different types of bacteria that work harmonis.
00:36:42
Basically, to kind of keep you in a healthy condition.
00:36:46
OK yeah, and probiotics are all the rage like I take them just because I heard they were good. I don't know a lot of the science like like you do. I like when I think of gut, I think of something protruding from someone's waistband.
00:36:49
Yeah.
00:36:58
Only I think internal.
00:37:00
Right, right?
00:37:00
So so the gut is a good thing to have good stuff in your gut, right?
00:37:05
Yeah, you want a healthy gut.
00:37:06
Healthy gut and if you have the beer gut, you can still have a healthy get inside the beer gut.
00:37:11
Yeah.
00:37:11
If you take probiotics and in this case make some Lions mane concoctions.
00:37:16
Yeast is good for the gut, so I don't know if that's scientifically scientifically proven that beer is good for the gut, but.
00:37:22
You know uses of bacteria, so I mean maybe.
00:37:26
Now we've we've talked in the previous episode, Folgers, getting in on all the mushroom hype.
00:37:34
They have a Lions mane variety of their their coffee.
00:37:38
We're Folgers household.
00:37:40
We like what we have not had that version though.
00:37:42
We have not had that version.
00:37:43
I think it's not mainstream quite yet.
00:37:45
It's just kind of budding, but it's kind of cool that Folgers hey, not only can you wake up to a great Cup of our coffee, but you can also feed the brain and head off dementia as you go about it.
00:37:57
Yes, the dementia is is one of the health benefits of Lions mane. With it's, you know, bring vitality because the brain's ability to grow and form new connections declines with age. So when we're talking about mental health, and as we get older, anything we can do to you know, stay as sharp as possible, especially in a healthy and healthy way. By just consuming a different type of food.
00:38:22
You know can add that cognitive, you know.
00:38:27
Expenditure if you will.
00:38:28
Yeah, I I like that and when you said IT, dementia is a benefit.
00:38:32
Avoiding dementia.
00:38:33
We want to, yeah, mitigating dementia.
00:38:33
Avoiding it, correct?
00:38:37
I take Lexapro and one of the things that they tout Lexapro as is something that can help Ward off dementia as you get older because it stimulates parts of the brain.
00:38:46
I guess that like you said, need to be more active so.
00:38:48
If you can just take a delicious culinary component or some sort of pill that contains Lions mane extra.
00:38:57
It sounds like an easy win.
00:38:59
None of us want dementia.
00:39:00
I mean, sometimes if you if we have a bad day, we want temporary dementia, but nothing that we wanted to last so hip, hip, hurray to Lions Mane.
00:39:08
Yeah, so there are two special compounds that are found in Lions mane that help stimulate the growth of brain cells.
00:39:16
So we're talking about Harro Senones an then or ah serenes.
00:39:20
So forgive me on the pronunciation there, but both of those have been proven to stimulate growth of brain brain cells.
00:39:28
And then other Astra extracts have been shown to reduce symptoms of memory loss in mice that are caused by me.
00:39:36
Lloyd and beta plaques, which can accumulate in the brain during Alzheimer's.
00:39:41
So we're not just talking dementia, we're talking Alzheimer's.
00:39:44
You know any other just degenerative neural?
00:39:49
Neural decrease.
00:39:50
Yeah no, that's awesome.
00:39:51
And you know, there's nowadays there's the quick to prescribe some sort of pharmaceutical to resolve everything.
00:39:59
But my gosh, if you can find away with something that grows out of the ground, something that's completely organic and natural, like Lions, mane, mushroom, and like like I said, beautiful, beautiful thing.
00:40:10
It was presented and tasty in its.
00:40:10
And tasty.
00:40:12
I think this is an opportunity for you to judge a book by its cover.
00:40:16
It's beautiful on the inside, an outside, hip hip, hurray.
00:40:20
Yeah.
00:40:22
Jill, I really appreciate you being on this episode and hopefully you'll come back.
00:40:27
Yeah no, I think mushrooms are kind of a a new age.
00:40:32
You know, homoeopathic you know type of food that we can use to treat and prevent disease in our body, and we're so early on, you know, finding out all the benefits of that.
00:40:44
So not just from a psychedelic perspective with dealing with, you know, disorders on that end of the spectrum.
00:40:50
But you know.
00:40:52
Other ones from, you know, treating cancer patients and.
00:40:56
You know mild depression.
00:40:58
It can treat that as well.
00:41:00
So I just think that the world is really our oyster mushrooms when it comes to when it comes to the species.
00:41:06
Awesome, I completely agree and I love you both on the podcast an off. Thank you very much. So listeners. I expect more of Wi-Fi. Jill, the health dietary expert. Thank you Jill and I'll see you soon and boom. Hopefully you found that entertaining and now back to our discussion on Spawn.
00:41:10
Huh, love you back?
00:41:23
Cheers.
00:41:28
So the spawn, yeah?
00:41:29
That is, and I I think when you get like past that point when everything is sterile.
00:41:35
And you're ready for the next phase.
00:41:37
Like if you've done your homework at that point, like you're close.
00:41:42
We talked about the 6040 split for me. What did you say your ratio of good?
00:41:45
To bad so.
00:41:46
So in that first batch that I did not have a fume hood, I was very.
00:41:52
I wasn't nearly as clean as I should have been or I had.
00:41:54
OK.
00:41:57
Six out of eight jars fail and had two jars make it through to a point where and some of them failed right away. Some of them failed on day ten. 11:12 and then I was down to two jars from there. OK, so pretty bad. Split the first time.
00:42:06
Gotcha.
00:42:09
From there.
00:42:10
And.
00:42:12
Yeah, I mean you kind of learn 2 for me.
00:42:16
You know, I found that I was shaking the jars too much early on an I stunted their growth and like I had the lid off too long when I was introducing oguer. So like you kind of remember in your head like, oh, I kind of lucked up, so hopefully at some point will be at like 100% efficiency rate I.
00:42:32
Yes.
00:42:32
Don't know if that's possible though, as close to possible.
00:42:34
Close to possible lemon are flow it.
00:42:36
Yeah I'm gonna say selling that to the wifey happening.
00:42:37
Right?
00:42:41
So I won't go past that phase for today.
00:42:45
I think that's a good place to start.
00:42:47
You will also notice the pressure cooker will come in handy when we talk about liquid culture.
00:42:52
The recipe for liquid culture.
00:42:54
It's really, really.
00:42:54
They really easy, so I I know people when they think of like mycelium suspended in liquid sugars.
00:43:01
Like whoa, it's it's really easy and really cool so when we do that episode, I definitely.
00:43:06
I think you'll be surprised at the level of ease to making that work awesome.
00:43:12
What else did I have?
00:43:13
I want to talk about talk about psychedelics.
00:43:16
I want to talk about your take on psychedelics just as like a appear, somebody that like it just appreciates the genre of explorative, explorative science.
00:43:28
Yeah, what's your take on on psychedelics, man?
00:43:33
Obviously, they're my favorite out of any of the drugs that I've tried.
00:43:37
I think the first time I took a psychedelic, I had no idea what to expect really.
00:43:44
But man, it's you feel connected, you feel compassion it you feel appreciative and I think those are things that are super important for us to feel all the time right.
00:43:47
Yeah.
00:43:53
It's how you.
00:43:54
Have a ****** day and pull yourself out of it is being.
00:43:56
Appreciate for stuff absolutely.
00:43:57
So it helps a lot with that and in nature I mean you just feel so connected to the people you're with and to the people or to the nature that you're in.
00:44:05
So I mean, it's really easy to view it a lot like a medal.
00:44:10
Which you'll hear a lot when you go see videos and things online, or watch fantastic fungi, her funghi or whatever they're calling it note down totally so, and then it also Sparks the interest to continue to explore.
00:44:17
Down.
00:44:23
At least it did for myself and my girlfriend and to the point where growing was part of that exploration, to the point where reading books.
00:44:30
Yeah.
00:44:31
As part of that exploration to the point where.
00:44:35
Taking higher doses and more of a medical situation.
00:44:39
More of a.
00:44:41
Counseling type of situation for mental health is on the agenda as well.
00:44:47
So it's really, really easy to get.
00:44:47
Really.
00:44:49
Absorbed totally man.
00:44:50
Yeah.
00:44:50
Yeah I I empathize with that and I remember you came to me we met a couple of years ago.
00:44:55
Something like that.
00:44:56
Yeah, and we I don't know how it broke that came up but I saw like the the the light in your eyes when I mentioned that I was drawing mushrooms and.
00:45:05
Yeah.
00:45:05
Yeah.
00:45:06
It's that's what it does to you.
00:45:07
It's just this.
00:45:08
This interesting area of like never ending exploration.
00:45:13
Sure, and there's so there's something about being able to share that yeah, and being able to like then see someone else's journey with it.
00:45:20
Ah, that's great.
00:45:20
And the cool thing about it too, is like if you really like once you get into it.
00:45:25
You respect.
00:45:25
It's like you know I do jiu jitsu.
00:45:27
I respect the art of jiu jitsu.
00:45:29
I respect it.
00:45:29
Right?
00:45:29
I would never disrespect it.
00:45:31
I would never trivialize.
00:45:32
That I would never do anything to take away from the people that really have taken the time to understand it and embrace it and share that wisdom with others.
00:45:40
Do this.
00:45:40
So I treat psychedelics the same way it's like.
00:45:42
I don't want to disrespect it.
00:45:44
I don't want to disrespect the experience.
00:45:45
I want to have intentions going into it.
00:45:47
All that stuff.
00:45:48
Yeah, because if you don't if you treat it frivolously or you don't respect the process.
00:45:54
It can make your life miserable like I mean, I don't know if you've had any of those experiences, but that is the opposite of everything good that you.
00:46:00
Just mentioned.
00:46:01
I have not had that experience.
00:46:03
Wait, let me interject that's one of the other audio distractions.
00:46:06
The toilet rushing from above.
00:46:07
Oh
00:46:08
Again, I didn't intentionally position my podcast studio next to the toilet water, but so just for the listening audience and against again, I hope it's fast that's running toilet water back to you.
00:46:19
Uh, lost my train of thought so.
00:46:21
You were talking about.
00:46:22
We were saying like respected the.
00:46:26
Intention setting your intentions.
00:46:28
Oh, right, so I I ran into an experience with a friend of mine who had.
00:46:33
A we were both.
00:46:35
Enjoying mushrooms with a few people and I think watching Avatar and his experience turned him off of wanting to do mushrooms again.
00:46:44
Really.
00:46:44
It wasn't incredibly negative.
00:46:47
It wasn't an incredibly bad trip, but.
00:46:50
His experience with it, with everything that was going on in his life.
00:46:52
He was like, you know this.
00:46:54
This maybe isn't.
00:46:55
For me you have wrong setting, yeah?
00:46:57
And that's something that I hear a lot about.
00:47:00
And when reading books about maybe taking a larger dose in kind of a mental health.
00:47:05
Capacity that set and setting is incredibly important, making sure that you're in the right mental space for it.
00:47:11
Making sure you have the time to approach it with the right mindset and leave with the right mindset and someone to talk to about the experience afterwards.
00:47:19
I mean, all of those things from what I hear.
00:47:21
Play into it.
00:47:22
Into it.
00:47:22
No doubt and you mentioned integration the discussion afterwards.
00:47:24
Operation D yet.
00:47:27
Dude, I mean if you do it in a therapeutic sense.
00:47:29
I mean if you just do it to have some fun and you know it's it's a warm like non threatening environment.
00:47:35
That's totally cool.
00:47:36
But if you do it in a therapeutic almost like medicinal therapeutic sense, integrations key like type.
00:47:42
Talking about your experience, having other people kind of explain that to you.
00:47:46
When I did ayawaska, the integration part was paramount that so I could totally see with mushrooms that integration, being equally as important.
00:47:55
If that's your goal, is to get some healing out of it.
00:47:58
OK.
00:47:58
Absolutely.
00:47:59
Do you think that the integration helps you kind of solidify consciously what you just experienced in a kind of semi subconscious but also conscious state.
00:48:11
Yeah, I think I think some of that and also I mean you need some legitimacy like people are super vulnerable when you know these profound things happen to them, right?
00:48:20
And for the people listening that have never taken psychedelics, depending on the strength, you know the dosage you take.
00:48:26
Depending on the setting, depending on you know what natural.
00:48:31
Resources around that could affect you depending on all those factors.
00:48:34
You might have a super impactful, super powerful experience, and if you do, you need somebody to kind of like.
00:48:41
Reconcile that for you need somebody to kind of.
00:48:45
Allow you to to fully be vulnerable and explain it, and I think that to me like with integration is the best part if you're willing.
00:48:52
To you know, like with mushrooms, you have to totally give in to it.
00:48:55
If you don't totally give in.
00:48:56
It kind of sucks.
00:48:57
Right?
00:48:57
Integration is the same thing if you don't totally give into the integration, you're really not allowing it to fully come full circle in the healing process.
00:49:04
Makes sense now perspective.
00:49:05
This is my perspective, so I think you know at some point I would love to do that sort of thing with integrations and not shaman.
00:49:14
But similar types of right? Because seeing people's minds flip and seeing their their ideologies change and just better themselves through that sort of experience. And that's an invaluable experience.
00:49:27
Absolutely, and I think that we're in an interesting spot with society right now, where more and more conversations around that are being acceptable an you can attribute that to things like this, right?
00:49:37
People having the ability to communicate in long form and actually discuss ideas and have differing point of views and things like that.
00:49:43
But we're at a place where people are finally kind of looking past the Reagan administration's drug views and going, you know, we were getting places with this as a medison and we have so many problems with mental health with addiction with PTSD. With things like that and there are unique applications of psychedelics that help in those situations, and we knew this in the 60s.
00:50:08
And then we just put a huge haul to it.
00:50:12
You're right man, and you know some and back then you know, with the Nixon administration and some of those people that really spearheaded the the war on Drugs, and Reagan perpetuated more than we could possibly imagine.
00:50:24
But yeah, they just didn't have enough information.
00:50:27
And unfortunately
00:50:29
He
00:50:31
Religion has not been very kind to substances.
00:50:34
I mean Eastern Medison absolutely, but Western medison if it's not farm.
00:50:40
Logically.
00:50:41
What is pharmaceutically created then?
00:50:42
So artistically created, yeah?
00:50:43
They don't want to hear about it and that's kind of that's really upsetting, because those are the most harmful drugs.
00:50:44
Of course.
00:50:48
Now there's one category of drugs.
00:50:50
The meth crack heroin category, like, that's that's a different story.
00:50:53
Right?
00:50:56
So that's category of recreational drugs.
00:50:58
Sorry, Oregon, that category that's in a completely separate category.
00:51:03
Pharmaceutical drugs and the meth heroin crack category.
00:51:06
Those are really harmful drugs.
00:51:09
Mushrooms, weed, peyote, E **** like that.
00:51:11
I mean those are not harmful.
00:51:13
They may suck.
00:51:14
You know you may have a bad psychological experience, but you're not going to blow up your heart or shatter your liver.
00:51:20
Or you know other things you can get from those other drugs.
00:51:21
Right?
00:51:23
Absolutely agree the for anybody who's even considering something like it or just kind of fooling around with the idea, but has heard a lot of negative press about it from, you know, Forties, 50s, or 60s seventies, 80s, nineties man, the what was the Netflix show that they did?
00:51:39
The.
00:51:41
Was it have a good?
00:51:42
Rip
00:51:43
Oh, did that was that the one where people explain their experiences?
00:51:45
Yeah, and it was a lot of people who are in very creative roles in Hollywood and in the music industry and in tech talking about the positive and negative sides of experiences that they've had.
00:51:48
Sting
00:51:57
And, you know, it's eye opening to hear those people that you look up to, or you respect or you dig their music or you like the work they're doing.
00:52:04
You know, in Silicon Valley.
00:52:05
And to hear them really open up about it, it kind of takes a little bit of the mystique away from it and a little bit of the.
00:52:12
I don't know.
00:52:12
I don't want to say fear is not the right word, but I can't think of the right one.
00:52:16
No, I agree, like it, it humanizes.
00:52:17
Stigma. There it is.
00:52:18
Yeah, humanizes them an anet.
00:52:21
It humanizes the experience, like, because, you know, if you don't have any intimacy with, if you have no direct experience, it's all rhetoric.
00:52:22
Right?
00:52:28
It's all hearsay, so you know, it makes it a little bit more humanized an because it's somebody.
00:52:34
Brody
00:52:34
Good.
00:52:37
Again, I did mention Brody would have unsolicited commentary.
00:52:42
And he stopped so.
00:52:43
It's better than the gas I did whenever.
00:52:44
So.
00:52:47
So man, I lost my train of thought again.
00:52:50
Anyway, yes.
00:52:52
It it humanizes the experience.
00:52:53
Yes.
00:52:53
It makes it more attainable, and it takes a little bit of the stigma away from it.
00:52:56
I think that no one should approach it, just Willy nilly.
00:52:59
Nobody should just be like, hey.
00:53:02
Like you want to try it, yeah like you should.
00:53:05
You should think about it a little bit.
00:53:06
You should do some research.
00:53:08
You should listen to people talk about it.
00:53:09
You should hear a little bit about good and bad trips and you know make the decision.
00:53:13
For yourself for sure.
00:53:15
Totally and with Netflix.
00:53:16
And they're being like a billion celebrities that have taken ayawaska and like there's a lot.
00:53:19
Millimeters.
00:53:21
There's a whole cornucopia of ****
00:53:23
For you to pull from if you want to get educated, absolutely, but it's ****** And, well, you know I'll talk everybody that I have on this podcast will either.
00:53:24
Right now I have.
00:53:32
Hopefully have a psychedelic experience or have some really key questions that we can use to kind of guide the conversation, but I think that'll be a really key part of this podcast going forward, absolutely.
00:53:44
We're about 45 minutes in. Let me see what else I had listed here to talk about.
00:53:50
Made it is definitely a time capsule. Doesn't feel like 45.
00:53:52
Like 45 I.
00:53:53
Know it well.
00:53:53
That was the best podcasts.
00:53:54
Coming through.
00:53:55
The ones were just flashed by a Pat yourself on the back.
00:53:59
I do want to talk about unofficial sponsors so new podcast episode 2, no official sponsors.
00:54:05
I don't know if we ever will have official sponsor 'cause that doesn't keep me from basically just touting great companies and brands as my unofficial sponsors.
00:54:13
All right?
00:54:13
So unofficially, I would have to say that fresh from the farm fungus.
00:54:20
Fresh from the farm Fungee, who is at the Cherry Creek Farmers market on Saturdays.
00:54:26
Unofficial sponsor I'm kind of smitten by fresh from the farm funky.
00:54:31
They've given me a lot of education in the world of bulk harvesting or bulk growing methods and just kind of nerd it out with me and talking about mushrooms.
00:54:40
So unofficially, your sponsor, you're welcome.
00:54:44
Fresh from the farm funk.
00:54:46
Also fresh cat mushrooms based out of Canada.
00:54:52
If you go on YouTube they have some amazing videos.
00:54:54
Guy has a little Canadian twang.
00:54:56
Tomei alright.
00:54:57
Uh, awesome, they don't do psychedelic mushrooms, just the their mushroom farmers.
00:55:03
But
00:55:03
But all the concepts apply and I love them very much.
00:55:07
And the last thing I want to say unofficially Miller High Life has sponsored many episodes in my life.
00:55:15
Miller High Life continues to sponsor this podcast.
00:55:17
So Thirdly, but not Lastly, Miller highlife, an official sponsor, Chris, let's have some closing.
00:55:24
But
00:55:25
Closing thoughts man.
00:55:26
It's an exciting world to dive into and it will definitely pull you in.
00:55:31
So I watch some videos, listen to some podcasts and try it.
00:55:33
Oh yeah.
00:55:36
There's no reason not to.
00:55:39
Notice I notice you shave your MUstaSH, did an it took me the entire episode to notice he's like something a little off about Chris that MUstaSH is gone.
00:55:40
Right?
00:55:44
Huh?
00:55:47
Yeah.
00:55:48
How does do you feel a little?
00:55:49
Naked so I never had a MUstaSH until November 1st of last year an I shaved down to it and I loved it.
00:55:56
Don't get me wrong, we love we all.
00:55:57
Yeah it.
00:55:58
It was just really nice and then.
00:56:01
I decided I'd give it about a year.
00:56:03
I think it's important not to be too attached to things, especially things that you're going to lose like hair and body and things like that.
00:56:10
So I just figured I'd give it a year.
00:56:12
I'd cut it off on November 1st and I imagine it will be back.
00:56:16
At some point we are a man of your word, you said.
00:56:18
November 1st and Gosh darn it.
00:56:21
I love it.
00:56:22
A couple of questions for you.
00:56:23
These are standard guest questions implementing these starting today OK?
00:56:29
Not going to ask all the ones I have listed on this list, 'cause I think we've covered some, but.
00:56:34
I want to I want to know if you could recommend one piece of art or literature to the audience, whether it be mushroom related or not.
00:56:43
Chris is recommendation not quite Oprah Book Club, but still relevant.
00:56:48
What would you recommend sure?
00:56:49
Uh.
00:56:49
Uh.
00:56:50
How to change your mind for sure?
00:56:53
Because it addresses kind of the spectrum of the mushroom experience from the science to the history to the experience, and I haven't even finished.
00:57:03
It yet I love it now.
00:57:05
Fantastic fun guy.
00:57:07
There's some overlap.
00:57:08
Yes, which was cool a lot of.
00:57:09
I realized that when I watched fantastic funky I'm like, oh wait, this is a lot of how to change your mind, so that was really cool.
00:57:15
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:57:17
So do both.
00:57:17
Listen to how to change your mind an watch fantastic funky not in tandem kind of stagger them, but they're both amazing.
00:57:22
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:23
A good recommendation.
00:57:25
I have one other question for you.
00:57:26
Here.
00:57:26
Sure, if you were a fight.
00:57:29
Which secretly, maybe your fighter.
00:57:30
I don't think you are, but you could if you need it to.
00:57:33
What would be your walkout song if you came out to the ring in the Octagon as a fighter?
00:57:38
What would hype you up?
00:57:39
What would let the audience know?
00:57:41
This **** is about to get real.
00:57:43
I'll be honest, I think I'd have to go with Digital Underground Humpty Hump.
00:57:47
Humpty, if that doesn't instill fear in your opponent.
00:57:50
I don't know well.
00:57:52
I love it.
00:57:53
I love it.
00:57:54
Chris, did you enjoy your first podcast experience?
00:57:56
I enjoyed it. Dave Ben.
00:57:59
David Ben like Uncle Ben without the racism, less much less.
00:58:02
Ah yes.
00:58:04
No racism actually none we will.
00:58:04
None.
00:58:06
Be very explicitly clear about that on this podcast.
00:58:08
Yeah.
00:58:09
None, yeah.
00:58:10
Well, I'll say, **** occasionally, but absolutely no racism.
00:58:14
And on that note, thank you so much for being here, Chris.
00:58:16
Thanks brother.